Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

no no ND....his back is flat

The funny part is they act like a back appearing flat is a bad thing , like it specifically states in the I.F.B.B. Mens Professional Judging Criteria that backs appearing flat will be frowned upon , its these imaginary advantages these guys cling to that make me laugh , they're so desperate for advantages they make them up ! or worse state there is one when there isn't like Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian lol

not rocket scientists we're working here with , hell someone half knowledgeable would be nice but they spend to much time gazing at Coleman glute pics instead of learning the criteria and then learning how to apply it

[pobrecito]

The funny part is they act like a back appearing flat is a bad thing , like it specifically states in the I.F.B.B. Mens Professional Judging Criteria that backs appearing flat will be frowned upon , its these imaginary advantages these guys cling to that make me laugh , they're so desperate for advantages they make them up ! or worse state there is one when there isn't like Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian lol

not rocket scientists we're working here with , hell someone half knowledgeable would be nice but they spend to much time gazing at Coleman glute pics instead of learning the criteria and then learning how to apply it

great post !!

[Necrosis]

Where is the lose skin?  if Dorian had loose skin or any fat or water it would be clearly visible in this shot which by the way is from the same contest as the one you posted , this post is among your dumbest another meltdown-induced grasping at straws angle

you must be retarded or something, the lat spread pics clearly show loose skin, a different pose does not, what does that prove? that he never had loose skin in the read lat spread? give me a break you truly cannot be that retarded, the pictures show loose skin in the pose its not debatable. like ronnies four pack is not debatable. fuck your a moron. your implying that he has no loose skin while pics show the opposite. maybe its the magic wave/particle duality and collasping of the wave function of dorians skin that no other man can accomplish.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Look at the thickness of his traps and teres major and infraspinatus its just insane !

[NarcissisticDeity]

you must be retarded or something, the lat spread pics clearly show loose skin, a different pose does not, what does that prove? that he never had loose skin in the read lat spread? give me a break you truly cannot be that retarded, the pictures show loose skin in the pose its not debatable. like ronnies four pack is not debatable. fuck your a moron. your implying that he has no loose skin while pics show the opposite. maybe its the magic wave/particle duality and collasping of the wave function of dorians skin that no other man can accomplish.

its not loose skin you moron its wrinkles , Dorian is not carrying ANY fat or water in his lower back , your stupidity won't be entertained just corrected and what the hell do you know? You think Ronnie 2003 is better conditioned than Dorian , your knowledge is very small come back when it grows up some , wrinkles in his back isn't loose skin its another imaginary flaw you idiots are searching for because you need them

[IceCold]

The funny part is they act like a back appearing flat is a bad thing , like it specifically states in the I.F.B.B. Mens Professional Judging Criteria that backs appearing flat will be frowned upon , its these imaginary advantages these guys cling to that make me laugh , they're so desperate for advantages they make them up ! or worse state there is one when there isn't like Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian lol

not rocket scientists we're working here with , hell someone half knowledgeable would be nice but they spend to much time gazing at Coleman glute pics instead of learning the criteria and then learning how to apply it

having you noticed that hulkster and co. dont pay attention to the judging critera, direct quotes from judges and competitors who competed against both dorian and ronnie.  

instead they rely on their 'expert opinions' eventhough they dont have any credentials.

neither do i, that's why i use quotes from qualified individuals to back up my points.

[pobrecito]

Perfect physique

[NarcissisticDeity]

having you noticed that hulkster and co. dont pay attention to the judging critera, direct quotes from judges and competitors who competed against both dorian and ronnie. 

instead they rely on their 'expert opinions' eventhough they dont have any credentials.

neither do i, that's why i use quotes from qualified individuals to back up my points.

And their logic is everyone is wrong except them lol despite never seeing Yates onstage , and the same idiots who will cling to Peter McGough's statement of Ronnie having the best back are the exact same idiots who dismiss this quote , Hulkster flat out said he's lying lol

Almost everything I claimed I've been able to verify after the fact with a quote from an eyewitness the same is most certainly NOT true for them

[Hulkster]

having you noticed that hulkster and co. dont pay attention to the judging critera, direct quotes from judges and competitors who competed against both dorian and ronnie.  

instead they rely on their 'expert opinions' eventhough they dont have any credentials.

neither do i, that's why i use quotes from qualified individuals to back up my points.

ever notice how dorian and co don't pay any attention to REALITY in the form of pics and videos? Most of them prove their quotes are wrong...

and, tell me, in a sport based on simple visuals, what 'credentials' do you need?

4 eyes?

30/30 vision?

2 heads?

 

[davidpaul]

has yates won this thrwad then?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian's twig arms 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ever notice how dorian and co don't pay any attention to REALITY in the form of pics and videos? Most of them prove their quotes are wrong...

and, tell me, in a sport based on simple visuals, what 'credentials' do you need?

4 eyes?

30/30 vision?

2 heads?

 

Reality is people seeing the contest live and in person  not some internet-bodybuilding-fan who thinks he's got it all figured out lol


Bob Chick GetBig Jan 15 , 2007

The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example). 

[Hulkster]

Almost everything I claimed I've been able to verify after the fact with a quote from an eyewitness the same is most certainly NOT true for them

and yet you are too stupid to see that this is the very problem with your entire argument.

people have different opinions. Many of which are clearly incorrect.

a single pic can lie, no doubt.

but tons and tons and tons of pics on videos on this thread?

definitely not.

the camera taken on the whole, does not.

you place more emaphsis on quote after quote than you do pic/video after pic/video.

Can you not see that in a sport such as bodybuilding competition that this is the WRONG approach?

for example, you claim dorian's arms are not lacking in development, detail and seperation, yet there are 4 billion pics and videos on youtube showing his arms at many stages of his career looking like, as the youtube people said, 'rubbish'.

tell me ND, do you think that these arms look great?

or do you need a quote that says so, so you can disregard these shots and claim they are great anyway?

[NarcissisticDeity]

and yet you are too stupid to see that this is the very problem with your entire argument.

people have different opinions. Many of which are clearly incorrect.

a single pic can lie, no doubt.

but tons and tons and tons of pics on videos on this thread?

definitely not.

the camera taken on the whole, does not.

you place more emaphsis on quote after quote than you do pic/video after pic/video.

Can you not see that in a sport such as bodybuilding competition that this is the WRONG approach?

for example, you claim dorian's arms are not lacking in development, detail and seperation, yet there are 4 billion pics and videos on youtube showing his arms at many stages of his career looking like, as the youtube people said, 'rubbish'.

tell me ND, do you think that these arms look great?

or do you need a quote that says so, so you can disregard these shots and claim they are great anyway?

meldtdown see above post lol 

[Hulkster]

ND, have you EVER responded logically and methodically to someone's argument without falling back on a quote to try do it for you?

it really shows a lack of thought how you just post quote after quote in every post rather than sensibly respond to someone's points...

it shows that you really can't win the argument on the basis of your premises.

it shows that you are hiding behind someone elses opinion, and not even backing it up with any visual proof on top of that...

[pobrecito]

Dorian had massive gunz

[NarcissisticDeity]

1996 is Dorians 2002 for Ronnie is arms were smaller than usual stop posting that as some indication of how he was at his best , its not indicative of Dorian's best and even though they were smaller than Ronnie's they weren't lacking despite your claims to the contrary

[pobrecito]

Seriously, Dorian's 1993 front double biceps had no flaws.

[Hulkster]

Dorian's twig arms 

what the fuck is that?

isn't this from the same fucking contest?

twigs on a barrel:

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, have you EVER responded logically and methodically to someone's argument without falling back on a quote to try do it for you?

it really shows a lack of thought how you just post quote after quote in every post rather than sensibly respond to someone's points...

it shows that you really can't win the argument on the basis of your premises.

it shows that you are hiding behind someone elses opinion, and not even backing it up with any visual proof on top of that...

Thats simply not true , among the longest and more detailed posts on this thread were made by me , and I've always maintained certain things , which I proved via , pictures , videos , quotes , facts and figures and eye witness accounts I've proven my points much more than you or anyone else on the opposite side has

It was once said that Ronnie had a better back than Dorian and then using many pictures of both a gave a very detailed explanation why right here

Hulkster keeps saying Dorian only has the edge in lower back and this is a very ignorant and uneducated observation . Dorian's whole back is simply better than Ronnies for the following and numerous reasons

Upper back - Trapezius Dorian's traps are unequaled in terms of thickness , detail and separation , Dorian's traps especially his lower traps are much bigger , Ronnie's traps are very good but cannot match Dorian's

Teres Major - Dorian's are thicker and show outstanding separation , Ronnie does compare favorable in terms of detail and separation

Infraspinatus - Dorian again has an edge in thickness and separation , Ronnie again compares favorably in terms of detail and separtion

Middle Back - Latissimus dorsi - This like the traps is another area of the back that Dorian shows a clear advantage over Ronnie , Dorian's lats are thicker , they insert lower near his waist , they show much better detail than Ronnie , Dorian's are ripped much more than Ronnie

Lower Back - Erector spinae like the traps & lats another clear advantage for Dorian , Dorian's show better thickness and detail his x-mas tree at his weight is unmatched

Ronnie gets credit for being comparable in the areas he is but Dorian's back is simply more complete and better overall

I posted pictures and video links and quotes I've done much more than you ever have

[Hulkster]

Seriously, Dorian's 1993 front double biceps had no flaws.

except for the biceps part lol

I mean really, they look like dough even in that 93 shot...

compared to these, they are dreadful:

[Hulkster]

I mean really, look at dorian's left arm in this shot.

you don't get any softer than that: 

[pobrecito]

except for the biceps part lol

I mean really, they look like dough even in that 93 shot...

compared to these, they are dreadful:

Dorian's biceps were hardly a flaw in 93....they were in perfect proportion with his physique. If you gave that 93 picture to any random person they would not point out anything that looked out of place or disproportionate....Ronn ie on the other hand...well, they would think he looked like an upside-down bowling pin with hugely disporportionate calves, quads too big, alien abs, and lats too small.

Hope this helps

[Hulkster]

Dorian's biceps were hardly a flaw in 93....they were in perfect proportion with his physique. If you gave that 93 picture to any random person they would not point out anything that looked out of place or disproportionate....Ronn ie on the other hand...well, they would think he looked like an upside-down bowling pin with hugely disporportionate calves, quads too big, alien abs, and lats too small.

Hope this helps

except you ignore the obvious:

dorian due to relation to the camera looks bigger than he actually is..unless you think he is 2 FEET taller than Lee Labrada....

Neo should post that shot of dorian standing with flex after winning, with Flex's arms looking noticably bigger despite being 30 pounds lighter...

hint: that is not good arm proportion when you are 30 pounds heavier than someone yet your arms are smaller...

[NarcissisticDeity]

what the fuck is that?

isn't this from the same fucking contest?

twigs on a barrel:

yes same contest so is this , his arms can't be small and appear large can they? they can be large and appear small depending on the angle