Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol 

 

question for ND:

If a university math professor went on tv right now and said that 2+2 is actually 5, would you forever believe him even though everything tells and shows you that the answer is 4?

because that is what you do.

you are shown tons and tons of proof and you sweep them all under the carpet with an irrelevant quote...

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You desperately need the quotes to be ' irrelevant ' they're crushed you for hundreds of pages now , simple Dorian doesn't hold water , especially NOT at his best , Dorian has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , I've proved my case you haven't , old adage you can't counter this

[NeoSeminole]

You still have much to learn , 03 is better conditioned than Yates 1993/1995? damn thats dumb and symmetry , see balance and proportion which Yates ( again ) has a clear advantage and we're back to the twig arms now? make up your mind lol

hey illiterate dumbass, I never said that 03 Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. You just owned yourself again by making up shit that I supposedly said. I said that Ronnie had better definition. Let's see, Ronnie had more separations and striations in his arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads and hamstrings. Dorian had better definition in his midsection and back. Yup, Ronnie wins in definition. Dorian had better balance in 93 but loses in symmetry after post-tear. It's bad enough that his arms stayed the same size from 93 to 95 despite his growing midsection. He had a torn biceps on top of that, which threw off his symmetry even more. At least Ronnie has symmetrical imbalanced calves.

[pobrecito]

hey illiterate dumbass, I never said that 03 Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. You just owned yourself again by making up shit that I supposedly said. I said that Ronnie had better definition. Let's see, Ronnie had more separations and striations in his arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads and hamstrings. Dorian had better definition in his midsection and back. Yup, Ronnie wins in definition. Dorian had better balance in 93 but loses in symmetry after post-tear. It's bad enough that his arms stayed the same size from 93 to 95 despite his growing midsection. He had a torn biceps on top of that, which threw off his symmetry even more. At least Ronnie has symmetrical imbalanced calves.

The best back wins the Olympia.

Therefore, Yates wins.

Hope this helps.

[Hulkster]

Seriously, Ronnie's arms look fucking retarded here....his triceps are literally twice the size of his synthol'd calves

yes, because his calves are so huge and inflated with synthol...

[pobrecito]

yes, because his calves are so huge and inflated with synthol...

You are telling me those calves don't look weird?

They are blobs of goo....

I have never seen ANY calves looking like that. As ripped as Ronnie is, a calf muscle would not look like that mess of a synthol job.

Embarrasing.

Now I will wait for you to retort back with the torn bi argument

[NeoSeminole]

The best back wins the Olympia.

Therefore, Yates wins.

Hope this helps.

obviously not. Joel Stubbs has the best back in the world right now yet he can't even place 1st at the Ironman.

[pobrecito]

obviously not. Joel Stubbs has the best back in the world right now yet he can't even place 1st at the Ironman.

Don't be so foolish.

Joel Stubs is a nobody when it comes to any other bodypart.

Haney, Yates, Coleman, and Cutler were all outstanding in their entire physique, hell, EVERYONE is at the Olympia level.

It all comes down to who has the best back.

Just look at 2006. Ronnie just killed Cutler from the front. He had superior quads, arms, chest, delts, etc. Super striations and separations. Yet, Cutler killed Ronnie from the backside. Therefore, Cutler wins. The result would be the same if Yates was facing Coleman.

Hope this helps

[Hulkster]

Just look at 2006. Ronnie just killed Cutler from the front. He had superior quads, arms, chest, delts, etc. Super striations and separations. Yet, Cutler killed Ronnie from the backside. Therefore, Cutler wins. The result would be the same if Yates was facing Coleman.

your assessment is wrong.

ronnie had better biceps and chest, but not much else. he was too soft at the olympia to beat jay.

it was a lot more than just the back.

[delta9mda]

So, you're telling me he doesn't have loose skin in these pics. It's either yes or no?

its not loose skin. when you do the rear lat like yates and like samir in your avitar, you start from the back with the thumbs and pull forward. this will cause the "loose skin- wrinkle" thing to happen. now when you do the rear lat like ronnie and push in with the hands, you are not pulling or stretching the low back skin, hence no wrinkles. hope this helps.

[pobrecito]

your assessment is wrong.

ronnie had better biceps and chest, but not much else. he was too soft at the olympia to beat jay.

it was a lot more than just the back.

Hulkster,

Have you watched the video?

I watched it, and Coleman just slaughered Cutler in density, thickness, and damn near everything from the front. Even from the rear, Ronnie was brutally thicker. I mean come on, he has 10 years of muscle maturity on Cutler.

In fact, in my own opinion, after watching the tape, I would have given Ronnie the win conclusively

That just goes to show you how skewed the Judges are in what they look for. They look for the freaky backside, this is how the Olympia always has been, from Haney to Cutler.

[delta9mda]

Ronnie's quads were relatively small in 2001 they're smaller than Titus and James

oh shit, ownage

[suckmymuscle]

simple - Dorian was more consistent with his conditioning. Therefore, he developed more of a reputation for being in shape. Ronnie is known for setting the bar in terms of sheer muscularity. In fact, everyone talks about how bodybuilders try to play the size game to catch up to Ronnie. I haven't heard anyone say that about Dorian since he retired.

  In other words, tons of bodybuilding judges and writers looked at both of them on several occasions, and Dorian was deemed to be the most conditioned, despite the fact that Ronnie had as many or more overral separations than Dorian at all their respective contests. When Ronnie was on, he had vastly more separations than Dorian, and yet the judges still regarded Dorian as being more conditioned. So why the fuck are you arguing that Ronnie has better conditioning because he's more separated, dumbass?

Usmokepole and I aren't asking for your definition of conditioning, you dipshit. We want to know how you indirectly determine who is more conditioned. Subcutaneous fat and water levels can only be properly assessed using some kind of measuring device. However, the judges don't get on stage and hydrostatically weigh each competitor. So they rely on visual clues (i.e. separations and striations) to determine who is more conditioned.

  I have already answered this one, retard. Here it goes again, just for the convinience of your dumb ass: grain. Dorian had far more grain than Ronnie, and that is just as good an indication of conditioning than separations. In fact, it might be a better one, since separations are largely genetic. All things like separations, striations, grain, etc are enhanced when you drop bodyat and water, and none is more important than the other.

wrong, Flex Wheeler had poor definition in his delts, lower back, glutes and hamstrings. However, when he was in his best shape ever at the 93 ASC, he had 0.0% bf - the lowest ever recorded at Gold's Gym.

  0% bodyat is impossible, retard. Regardless, my point is that Flex had more separations than Dorian even when he was off, and yet Dorian was deemed by the judges and bodybuilding writers as being more conditioned. You have no game.

nevermind what you heard. According to you, evaluating hardness from pics is so "simple that even a child can do" it. Let's make a poll to see who looks harder in these pics. I guarantee you that most people will pick Ronnie.

  Ronnie was very conditioned at the 2001 ASC, but not Dorian-like. No one ever accused Ronnie of setting a new standard for conditioning at the 2001 ASC; that was done by Dorian at the 1993 and 1995 Olympias. Ronnie was at his best conditioning-wise, but not when compared to Dorian.

  ha ha ha ha, face of a nerd? Sure. Let's just say that I did for argument's sake. What does my face have to do with who I am as a person?

  Nothing. And who said life is fair? Having a butt-ugly face like yours makes it hard to get pussy, attention, favors from others, etc. It's nice looking great.

It sounds to me like you're just a pathetic lowlife who puts down others to make himself feel better. You're even more of a loser for throwing insults while hiding behind your computer like a coward. Grow up!

  Ok, "dipshit". You suddenly became very quiet when I challenged you to head to head with me at the Mr.GetBig.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

dude everything your saying is wrong, im sorry.


your right, waist and delts are the endpoints of taper. however, something has to TAPER. ive already showed why your wrong using this letter (T). this is what the delts and waist look like without anything to taper, show me were the taper is. also, posted a picture to which the guy has zero taper without lats, you are wrong.

please give me an example or definition please, you havent because you cant, you are wrong but wont admit it.

you are also dead wrong about the other argument, you keep saying conditioning equals low bf and water, how do you measure conditioning in an objective way like the judges do it. how to you see hardness? there must be some criteria, what is the most conditioned part on dorian? his lower back. why? becuase it is more cut,seperated and striated then any part of his body.

you wrong again..

  Usmoke, you still haven't answered me why bodybuilders do lateral raises if shoulder width is irrelevant...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

oh, I've noticed the quotes about Dorian. I have no problem admitting that Dorian consistently had better conditioning or that he was more balanced pre-tear than Ronnie. The problem with the Dorian quotes is that most of them were during his reign as Mr. Olympia. It's unfair to use a quote from 95 saying "Dorian is the best" to argue why he would beat Ronnie who didn't hit his prime until many years later. On the other hand, the Ronnie quotes are relevant b/c they take into consideration how he would fare against all bodybuilders - past and present.

  Quote, Peter McGough, from "Dorian's Delicate Condition":

  "No bodybuilder has ever been as hard as the man who won six Sandows"

  It is from the editorial in FLEX. So there.

  Like I've said before, Ronnie's 2001 ASC form was the most conditioned for him, but it was not a new standard of conditioning for bodybuilding, or even a match with Dorian's peak form.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

bwahahahahahaha, I like how you forget the IFBB judging criteria when it suits you. It specifically mentions muscular definition, which 03 Ronnie clearly wins. 93 Dorian has better symmetry but not in 95. It's bad enough that he has twig arms, but gis biceps tear was brutally obvious and threw his whole balance off.

  But Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia had a monster distended gut, and that is the worst of all symmetrical liabilities. Why? Because the midsection is the focus of the body and a distended gut can be seen from all side and front shots. Dorian's torn biceps throws his symmetry off to a much lower degree than Ronnie's gut. Conclusion: Dorian wins.

  And no, Ronnie would not win in muscular defnition over Dorian, not in 2003 or 2004. He wins every other year, but not these two. For fuck sake, I've see Ronnie's posing in the 2003 Olympia and nothing happened when he flexed his back. Nothing!

  Ronnie would tie with Dorian in terms of muscular definition, but not win it. Compare Ronnie's back at the 2003 Olympia with Dorian's at the 1995 Olympia and you get the picture.

  What is truly astounding is that Ronnie still has as many overral separations as Dorian despite being at over 3% bodyfat and obviously holding water, which goes to show that separations are partially genetic. Hence, a guy can look soft and still have good separations.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

In other words, tons of bodybuilding judges and writers looked at both of them on several occasions, and Dorian was deemed to be the most conditioned, despite the fact that Ronnie had as many or more overral separations than Dorian at all their respective contests. When Ronnie was on, he had vastly more separations than Dorian, and yet the judges still regarded Dorian as being more conditioned. So why the fuck are you arguing that Ronnie has better conditioning because he's more separated, dumbass?

Ronnie hadn't reached his all-time best conditioning when he competed against Dorian. So it's unfair to compare them during Dorian's reign. However, several people including Peter McGough regard 01 ASC Ronnie's conditioning to rank among the best ever.

I have already answered this one, retard. Here it goes again, just for the convinience of your dumb ass: grain. Dorian had far more grain than Ronnie, and that is just as good an indication of conditioning than separations. In fact, it might be a better one, since separations are largely genetic. All things like separations, striations, grain, etc are enhanced when you drop bodyat and water, and none is more important than the other.

where did you answer this before? You certainly didn't mention grain in any of your responses to me. So don't act like I'm an idiot for not knowing. Furthermore, what you refer to as "grain" is mostly acne on Dorian. Anyone can achieve that look if they have bumps all over their body.







I disagree that separations and striations are genetic. If anything, it simply means that a person carries less fat and water in certain areas. Flex Wheeler is a good example of this. His quads were usually very defined, which implies good conditioning. However, his glutes and lower back were typically smooth hence his overall conditioning wasn't as good.
 

Ronnie was very conditioned at the 2001 ASC, but not Dorian-like. No one ever accused Ronnie of setting a new standard for conditioning at the 2001 ASC; that was done by Dorian at the 1993 and 1995 Olympias. Ronnie was at his best conditioning-wise, but not when compared to Dorian.

sure.

Ok, "dipshit". You suddenly became very quiet when I challenged you to head to head with me at the Mr.GetBig.

I didn't even know you challenged me to enter the Mr. Getbig contest. I'll think about it. Right now, it's not on my priority list.

[NeoSeminole]

Quote, Peter McGough, from "Dorian's Delicate Condition":

"No bodybuilder has ever been as hard as the man who won six Sandows"

It is from the editorial in FLEX. So there.

Like I've said before, Ronnie's 2001 ASC form was the most conditioned for him, but it was not a new standard of conditioning for bodybuilding, or even a match with Dorian's peak form.

if you accept that quote, then you must also accept his opinion that Ronnie would beat Dorian.

[NeoSeminole]

But Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia had a monster distended gut, and that is the worst of all symmetrical liabilities. Why? Because the midsection is the focus of the body and a distended gut can be seen from all side and front shots. Dorian's torn biceps throws his symmetry off to a much lower degree than Ronnie's gut. Conclusion: Dorian wins.

I've asked you so many times to post shots of 03 Ronnie's gut during the symmetry round. If his midsection was as distended as you say, then it shouldn't be a problem for you. Until then, you're just talking out of your ass. You also forget that Dorian had a huge gut in 95.

Ronnie would tie with Dorian in terms of muscular definition, but not win it. Compare Ronnie's back at the 2003 Olympia with Dorian's at the 1995 Olympia and you get the picture.

bwahahahahahahahaha, you're such a retard. Let's give Dorian the upper hand in back definition. Ronnie still wins in arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads and hamstrings. You get the picture.

[Necrosis]

haha the gut throws off symmetry ahahhaha. proportion maybe symmetry no. symmetry is the amount of exactness between two identical parts. the only way a gut would throw off symmetry would be if his abs didnt line up as the left and right abs would contribute to symmetry.


i find it funny you guys think that taper, and symmetry are somehow different in bodybuilding then in the real world.

please show me the definition of taper that i asked for so i can understand what your saying, and throw in the definition of symmetry.

left to right ab muscles is symmetry a large gut is proportion.

just like a huge ass doesnt throw off symmetry, but proportion.

[gtbro1]

  I absolutely cannot believe you guys have argued about Dorian vs Ronnie for 1022 pages....

ONE THOUSAND TWENTY TWO PAGES!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I've asked you so many times to post shots of 03 Ronnie's gut during the symmetry round. If his midsection was as distended as you say, then it shouldn't be a problem for you. Until then, you're just talking out of your ass. You also forget that Dorian had a huge gut in 95.


bwahahahahahahahaha, you're such a retard. Let's give Dorian the upper hand in back definition. Ronnie still wins in arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads and hamstrings. You get the picture.

You forget Ronnie had a huge gut in 2001  the difference is Dorian is 260 pounds and Ronnie is just 247 pounds  and

[Hulkster]

Ronnie's quads were relatively small in 2001 they're smaller than Titus and James

LOL they might look smaller in that one shot standing next to titus, but ronnie's 'relatively small' quads DWARFED Dennis james':




and they were larger than chris' too, who weighed more than Ronnie at that show...

tell us another one ND...

oh, and here is a shot of Ronnie's quads dwarfing Titus' quads:



the ownage is just BRUTAL

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL they might look smaller in that one shot standing next to titus, but ronnie's 'relatively small' quads DWARFED Dennis james':


and they were larger than chris' too, who weighed more than Ronnie at that show...

tell us another one ND...

oh, and here is a shot of Ronnie's quads dwarfing Titus' quads:

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the ownage is just BRUTAL

First of they don't look small compared to Titus , they are small compared to Titus and to say Ronnie's quads might be a tad bigger than Dennis James is one thing to say they " DWARFED " his is absolute bullshit lol in no way shape or form his his quads dwarfing James' quads in fact the pics you use to highlight this is where Dennis is further away from the camera and his quads even though he's farther away still look bigger than Ronnie's

Again its clear and apparent that Chris' quads are clearly bigger than Ronnies albeit smoother but bigger none the less , you're insane to claim Ronnie's quads DWARFED anyones especially at 247 pounds , another very stupid post , I've come to expect these from you

[Iceman1981]

Flex magazine Dec 1995

Dorian Yates : Skin like tissue paper. In the crucial front double-biceps shot , the left bicep is short , but NOT fatally so. Traps look as if they have the capacity to render him deaf. Back , upper and lower , is sensational in EVERY respect : width , thickness and detail. Side triceps is a masterpiece that he's made into a Broadway production number. Thighs have more sweep than before . Calves? Yates wrote the book on calves . In muscle thickness , he's in a class of his own . Today's combination of size , proportion , shape and condition make this his peak form.

Not one mention of Dorian holding any water or fat , or being less conditioned than previous years , there is here though , if there was an issue McGough would have called it , there is NO issue its nonsense

Just look at the pics nimrod. You have to rely on quotes? Can't you think for yourself and actually admit something? You're a puppet, that's what you are.

[Iceman1981]

its not loose skin. when you do the rear lat like yates and like samir in your avitar, you start from the back with the thumbs and pull forward. this will cause the "loose skin- wrinkle" thing to happen. now when you do the rear lat like ronnie and push in with the hands, you are not pulling or stretching the low back skin, hence no wrinkles. hope this helps.

LOL, sure. It's not just loose skin at the waist. It's loose skin in his whole lower back.