Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

theres nothing to argue the pics show the reality of the situation.

but ND has no clue what reality is or what it looks like.

he just reads about it.

[the shadow]

but ND has no clue what reality is or what it looks like.

he just reads about it.

like i said ND is blind...

[NarcissisticDeity]

translation:ive admitted that he has wrinkles but was to stupid to realize that wrinkles are loose skin, now my best tactic is to avoid the questions and pictures like the plauge and inflate others comments so they look ridiculous.

im saying he had loose skin on his lower back, you've also said this. if there are wrinkles on his tris, youve also admitted they are then it is loose skin. plain and simple. theres nothing to argue the pics show the reality of the situation.

See now you're fucked and you've been backed into a corner just like you original Ronnie 2003 is better conditioned statement , you had to amend that like now , at first Dorian ONLY had loose skin on his lower back , you never once claimed he had loose skin on his triceps , now you're forced to amend your original statement to include that the wrinkles on his triceps are loose skin lol it shows what you know and what you're working with

Now according to you not only did Dorian have loose skin on his lower back but both of his triceps lol but never a mention anywhere until usmoke 14 years after the fact had the epiphany lol among your dumbest posts

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but ND has no clue what reality is or what it looks like.

he just reads about it.

he is like an idiot who beleives everything someone with a phd says because they have a phd. hhaha. that is a known ignorant belief, being an expert in one area doesnt mean shit in other areas.

if someone says something that pics refute the person who made the statement is wrong.

unless of course its a special camera and a special man named dorian yates. hahahahaha

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why would you quote me but delete the Ronnie pic? lol, it seems if you were at all confident of your point you would not do this?!

Anyway, observe how he appears a good deal bigger, even if it's technically 'only' 18 pounds, perhaps partly due to a smaller waist. You are correct to assert that Dorian was harder onstage than 3 weeks prior, but it is plain for all to see that he was also never as full as those pics either, so to state one is not to negate the other.

I don't know why I didn't write ass and hams like I was thinking, I must be dislexic, but these are clearly superior to Dorian's anyway, although Dorians are very good. I have included the awe-inspiring Ronnie pic in question just in case you were succeeding in banishing the image from your mind in order to continue believing your argument is right.

I delete all the pics in my responses , old news ! and if  you mean Dorian was never as full onstage like Coleman , which means soft I agree Dorian was always as dry and as hard as it gets its in the criteria

and the picture you posted that was supposed to be so awe-inspiring is Ronnie at among his all-time worse in terms of balanced development , density and conditioning , while very impressive none the less it doesn't change the fact that he's lacking compared to earlier versions and to Dorian .

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See now you're fucked and you've been backed into a corner just like you original Ronnie 2003 is better conditioned statement , you had to amend that like now , at first Dorian ONLY had loose skin on his lower back , you never once claimed he had loose skin on his triceps , now you're forced to amend your original statement to include that the wrinkles on his triceps are loose skin lol it shows what you know and what you're working with

Now according to you not only did Dorian have loose skin on his lower back but both of his triceps lol but never a mention anywhere until usmoke 14 years after the fact had the epiphany lol among your dumbest posts

are you retarded. for one i never amended my statement, i said ronnie had better overall conditioning, and used the majority of the body to prove it.

also i have been saying that WRINKLES AND LOOSE SKIN ARE THE SAME THING. all i was arguing was that you are wrong, his lower back has loose skin. you are the one who suggested that his triceps also had wrinkles. to which i agreed.  so were am i backpeddling. loose skin is wrinkles , you said he had wrinkles. you also said his tris had wrinkles, or drew my attention to his tris to which i said it is loose skin. no back peddling,you just have no reading comprehension.

your a moron, youve been caught in the act because you yourself admitted its wrinkles hahaahha. then you point out his tris which also had wrinkles ahahah. unless you can show there is something wrong with the pics or that wrinkles are not loose skin you are dead wrong as usual.

please re-read my post so you dont misinterpret it. for someone who claims to be intelligent you lack argumentative skills, by delibritly avoiding questions, and misconstruing posts.

[NarcissisticDeity]

he is like an idiot who beleives everything someone with a phd says because they have a phd. hhaha. that is a known ignorant belief, being an expert in one area doesnt mean shit in other areas.

if someone says something that pics refute the person who made the statement is wrong.

unless of course its a special camera and a special man named dorian yates. hahahahaha

No I don't believe everything the magazines say but from a trusted eyewitness who was live and in person who has a reputation as being pretty honest and straightforward yeah I'll take it on a matter of authority whats the alternative? YOU and Hulkster both very ignorant and biased uber-fans lol who know very little about how contests are judged ( definition round ring a bell ? lol ) your opinion is tainted and ignorant and it will always be dismissed in favor of a eyewitness , you people can't even stick to the argument , posting pictures of Dorian at his worse and claiming some half-assed victory

the bottom line is this you're claiming Dorian not only had loose skin in his lower back at his finest you're also claiming he has loose skin on two triceps now lol I'll leave that statement as it sits and laugh at your small knowledge 

[Hulkster]

No I don't believe everything the magazines say but from a trusted eyewitness who was live and in person who has a reputation as being pretty honest and straightforward yeah I'll take it on a matter of authority whats the alternative?

exactly.

if there was a red car and peter said it was blue and you read this, you would argue to the death that the car was actually blue, even after you saw the pic for your own eyes...

when there are 4 billion pics telling a different story, then that the person's quote was incorrect.

no magic.

no photoelectric effect.

no bullshit.

just simple facts:

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this was your original post about tricep wrinkles

"then you have to say the same think about his triceps and its just stupid"

haha why would i have to say the same thing about his tris? haha because they have wrinkles like his lower back perhaps? hahha you see the wrinkles on his tris, and say that its impossible that they are wrinkles because dorian was known for condition. then you claim that if i argue that he has wrinkles on the lower back i would also have to argue it for triceps. from this i can logically infer that you see the wrinkles on the lower back(admitted) and also on the tri. since they are the same thing you insist that i have to argue that they are both loose skin.

hahaha

owned

it is loose skin on both. his lower back has wrinkles. you have admitted this. then you admit(albeit in a alterior way) that he has wrinkles on his tris hahaha. and the fact that you want me to correlate them shows you know they are the same thing. ahhaha

your dumb, i own you everytime we argue. its pathetic really, that you get raped so bad everytime.

for some reason you think i was using loose skin to strength my claim of 03 ron having better condition, when i havent mentioned that argument in about 30 pages ahhaahaha, nor in my post. your grasping for straws so much we should call you the strawman. hahaa hopefully you'll find your brain this time.

[NarcissisticDeity]

are you retarded. for one i never amended my statement, i said ronnie had better overall conditioning, and used the majority of the body to prove it.

also i have been saying that WRINKLES AND LOOSE SKIN ARE THE SAME THING. all i was arguing was that you are wrong, his lower back has loose skin. you are the one who suggested that his triceps also had wrinkles. to which i agreed.  so were am i backpeddling. loose skin is wrinkles , you said he had wrinkles. you also said his tris had wrinkles, or drew my attention to his tris to which i said it is loose skin. no back peddling,you just have no reading comprehension.

your a moron, youve been caught in the act because you yourself admitted its wrinkles hahaahha. then you point out his tris which also had wrinkles ahahah. unless you can show there is something wrong with the pics or that wrinkles are not loose skin you are dead wrong as usual.

please re-read my post so you dont misinterpret it. for someone who claims to be intelligent you lack argumentative skills, by delibritly avoiding questions, and misconstruing posts.

are you retarded. for one i never amended my statement, i said ronnie had better overall conditioning, and used the majority of the body to prove it.

also i have been saying that WRINKLES AND LOOSE SKIN ARE THE SAME THING. all i was arguing was that you are wrong, his lower back has loose skin. you are the one who suggested that his triceps also had wrinkles. to which i agreed.  so were am i backpeddling. loose skin is wrinkles , you said he had wrinkles. you also said his tris had wrinkles, or drew my attention to his tris to which i said it is loose skin. no back peddling,you just have no reading comprehension.

No you most certainly did amend your original statement which was a blanket statement , that Ronnie 2003 had better conditioning and anyone with any sense wouldn't post that nonsense , even Coleman fans shy away from that stupidity and after taking a beating you most certainly amended it , to Ronnie has more conditioned parts , which is still dumb

Same thing now with the loose skin nonsense , you looked at the same rear latspread thats been posted for months and months and one day had the epiphany that it's loose skin , fat and or water lol all the while obviously noticing the same winkles in his triceps BUT NEVER ONCE commenting on them as being loose skin , of far and or water , now I call you on it and now you're fucked you have to say the obvious which is the triceps have loose skin as well lol because the same wrinkles can't be loose skin on the lower back and not on the triceps , I forced your hand and you played yourself NEITHER are loose skin/fat/water , they simply aren't because now you're stating the absurd that he was not only holding water/fat/loose skin in one area but THREE ! 14 years after the fact you figured this all out lol pure stupidity and ignorance

your a moron, youve been caught in the act because you yourself admitted its wrinkles hahaahha. then you point out his tris which also had wrinkles ahahah. unless you can show there is something wrong with the pics or that wrinkles are not loose skin you are dead wrong as usual.

please re-read my post so you dont misinterpret it. for someone who claims to be intelligent you lack argumentative skills, by delibritly avoiding questions, and misconstruing posts

I don't have to point out anything I don't think he's any less conditioned than what was claimed , which was ' completely ripped ' you're the one in disagrees with him being less than perfect , the burden of proof isn't ON ME it's on you , and posting a picture doesn't prove anything , you say its fat I say its not prove all the eyewitnesses wrong and prove me wrong

You're just another interment-bodybuilding-fan who thinks he knows more than the professionals , the judges and the eyewitnesses , the epitome of ignorance 

Dorian has loose skin fat and water on his lower back and both triceps lmfao I'll leave that statement to stand on its own two legs lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly.

if there was a red car and peter said it was blue and you read this, you would argue to the death that the car was actually blue, even after you saw the pic for your own eyes...

when there are 4 billion pics telling a different story, then that the person's quote was incorrect.

no magic.

no photoelectric effect.

no bullshit.

just simple facts:

Your opinion isn't a FACT Dorian in that comparison is dryer than Ronnie , harder than Ronnie , denser than Ronnie , better balanced than Ronnie and just as heavy , thats a fact that I could verify with first hand accounts can you? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

this was your original post about tricep wrinkles

"then you have to say the same think about his triceps and its just stupid"

haha why would i have to say the same thing about his tris? haha because they have wrinkles like his lower back perhaps? hahha you see the wrinkles on his tris, and say that its impossible that they are wrinkles because dorian was known for condition. then you claim that if i argue that he has wrinkles on the lower back i would also have to argue it for triceps. from this i can logically infer that you see the wrinkles on the lower back(admitted) and also on the tri. since they are the same thing you insist that i have to argue that they are both loose skin.

hahaha

owned

it is loose skin on both. his lower back has wrinkles. you have admitted this. then you admit(albeit in a alterior way) that he has wrinkles on his tris hahaha. and the fact that you want me to correlate them shows you know they are the same thing. ahhaha

your dumb, i own you everytime we argue. its pathetic really, that you get raped so bad everytime.

for some reason you think i was using loose skin to strength my claim of 03 ron having better condition, when i havent mentioned that argument in about 30 pages ahhaahaha, nor in my post. your grasping for straws so much we should call you the strawman. hahaa hopefully you'll find your brain this time.

meltdown 

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No I don't believe everything the magazines say but from a trusted eyewitness who was live and in person who has a reputation as being pretty honest and straightforward yeah I'll take it on a matter of authority whats the alternative? YOU and Hulkster both very ignorant and biased uber-fans lol who know very little about how contests are judged ( definition round ring a bell ? lol ) your opinion is tainted and ignorant and it will always be dismissed in favor of a eyewitness , you people can't even stick to the argument , posting pictures of Dorian at his worse and claiming some half-assed victory

the bottom line is this you're claiming Dorian not only had loose skin in his lower back at his finest you're also claiming he has loose skin on two triceps now lol I'll leave that statement as it sits and laugh at your small knowledge 

knowledge has nothing to do with truth, you need to read more books. the truth is the truth apart from beleifs. the pics show wrinkles that is all i need to know. i dont need a phd to see wrinkles, nor 30 years juding experience hahaha. you have no education do you? if you did you would know that smart men are often wrong and that all i need is one piece of evidnece to the contrary.

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meltdown 

meltdown

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ND notice how everyone is saying your blind?

its because there are wrinkles on his lower back, and on his tris but yet your saying they are not there. and offering no explanation as to why we are seeing them. your argument is empty as usual.

[Hulkster]

Your opinion isn't a FACT Dorian in that comparison is dryer than Ronnie , harder than Ronnie , denser than Ronnie , better balanced than Ronnie and just as heavy , thats a fact that I could verify with first hand accounts can you? 

no you can't.

go ahead and do a poll and post those two shots.

ask people who is more ripped and hard.

I promise you anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding will say Ronnie.

dorian looks like a giant doughball compared to ripped Ronnie.

He may have looked hard standing next to Nasser or Kevin, but not against a 98/99/01 Ronnie.

its simple progress - like the other thread where lots of people are saying that the BIGGEST jump from Mr. olympia to Mr. olympia was from DORIAN TO RONNIE..

truth hurts doesn't it?

[NarcissisticDeity]

knowledge has nothing to do with truth, you need to read more books. the truth is the truth apart from beleifs. the pics show wrinkles that is all i need to know. i dont need a phd to see wrinkles, nor 30 years juding experience hahaha. you have no education do you? if you did you would know that smart men are often wrong and that all i need is one piece of evidnece to the contrary.

I never said he didn't have wrinkles I said they're not loose skin , fat and water you did , prove your case that he was anything but completely ripped if you can  and here is my evidence

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

Not some what ripped , not mostly ripped , not ripped 90% but has loose skin on his lower back and triceps
he's ripped completely RIPPED.

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

harder than ever you know harder the opposite of soft , loose skin , water , fat

Flex magazine Dec 1995

Dorian Yates : Skin like tissue paper. In the crucial front double-biceps shot , the left bicep is short , but NOT fatally so. Traps look as if they have the capacity to render him deaf. Back , upper and lower , is sensational in EVERY respect : width , thickness and detail. Side triceps is a masterpiece that he's made into a Broadway production number. Thighs have more sweep than before . Calves? Yates wrote the book on calves . In muscle thickness , he's in a class of his own . Today's combination of size , proportion , shape and condition make this his peak form.

and the irony of you asking me if I have an education all the while misspelling four words and not capitalizing the letter I , I don't care about anyones typos or spelling errors but when you're questioning someone education level lol I mean make sure you're spelling correctly lol

Now lets see your supporting evidence , lets see the quotes from you stating that Dorian was anything less than completely ripped , that he was holding loose skin fat and water in his lower back and triceps and good lucky kid you'll need it 

[NarcissisticDeity]

no you can't.

go ahead and do a poll and post those two shots.

ask people who is more ripped and hard.

I promise you anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding will say Ronnie.

dorian looks like a giant doughball compared to ripped Ronnie.

He may have looked hard standing next to Nasser or Kevin, but not against a 98/99/01 Ronnie.



its simple progress - like the other thread where lots of people are saying that the BIGGEST jump from Mr. olympia to Mr. olympia was from DORIAN TO RONNIE..

truth hurts doesn't it?

lmfao you played yourself by post a shot of Yates in transition to a pose and he's still bone dry and rock hard , while Ronnie is soft , the irony is forget what the GetBig fans have to say on the topic most are as ignorant and unedcuated as you when it comes to bodybuilding , lets see what Peter McGough has to say 

[Buttsuck]

This thread is fucking gay. Hahahah what a waste of bandwidth. Ronnie owns Dorian. End of thread.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND notice how everyone is saying your blind?

its because there are wrinkles on his lower back, and on his tris but yet your saying they are not there. and offering no explanation as to why we are seeing them. your argument is empty as usual.

Please show where I said he doesn't have wrinkles  and I see them but they're NOT what you're claiming 

[Hulkster]

lmfao you played yourself by post a shot of Yates in transition to a pose and he's still bone dry and rock hard , while Ronnie is soft , the irony is forget what the GetBig fans have to say on the topic most are as ignorant and unedcuated as you when it comes to bodybuilding , lets see what Peter McGough has to say 

lol he's not in transition in that pose

[Iceman1981]

Its not a fact its your opinion and again if he did have loose skin , or fat or water it would be clearly present in other back poses and its not , your opinion is lame and ignorant for that fact

Pictures are facts. So all of the pics are lame and ignorant? You're the ignorant one who can't pull your head out of yates ass for once and actually say he had loose skin. In case you missed it, here it is again

[Hulkster]

the irony is forget what the GetBig fans have to say on the topic most are as ignorant and unedcuated as you when it comes to bodybuilding , lets see what Peter McGough has to say 

 

incredible.

here we are basing our assessments on real pics and real video

and

ND is basing his on words in a magazine...

totally fucked up.

 

[Buttsuck]

RONNIE WINS END OF THREAD

[Iceman1981]

No its not its wrinkles , what do you call them lines on his triceps? please explain this its wrinkles get serious with this nonsense already

Who the fuck is talking about lines on triceps dickhead? He had loose skin hanging on his whole lower back and that's what we all see, except you "don't" want to see it, but I will show you over and over.