Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

LOL how can that 96 shot be mind boggling with those stubby, shitty arms?

Ronnie's stubby, shitty, oiled, syntholed calves are far, far worse than Dorian's arms.

Hope this helps

[Hulkster]

Ronnie's stubby, shitty, oiled, syntholed calves are far, far worse than Dorian's arms.

Hope this helps

lol oiled and syntholed?

where is this coming from?

[pobrecito]

lol oiled and syntholed?

where is this coming from?

[Hulkster]

and your point is?

dorian's arms are doughy smooth as a baby's ass.

according to your logic, that must mean they are synthol filled:

 

[Hulkster]

Ronnie's stubby, shitty, oiled, syntholed calves are far, far worse than Dorian's arms.

Hope this helps

sure they are.

keep telling yourself this.

there is not a fan or judge in the world who will EVER agree with you:

[pobrecito]

Proof of Synthol/calf implant gone wrong:

[Hulkster]

Proof of Synthol/calf implant gone wrong:

in order for 'proof' you need a before and after shot.

and there is NO before shot because Ronnie's calves have ALWAYS looked like this:



 

go ahead. I challenge you.

ronnie's calves have never ballooned up in size, other than obvious growth when he gains 50 pounds.

give us some REAL proof.

you can't just look at one pic and claim oil/implants.

if THAT were the case, why the hell would he not have made them bigger?

you are the same as the stupid retards who insist Arnold must have had calf and biceps implants too...

you are just being stupid because you know that Ronnie is easily winning.

you should know.

you claim he is the greatest ever when in top shape.

and I agree.

[pobrecito]

Dorian Yates is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.

Refute that mother f*cker

[Hulkster]

REFUTED!

[NarcissisticDeity]

they are correlated with each other but are not the same. Conditioning means how dry and shredded a person is. Definition refers to separations and striations. You are a fool for thinking they mean the same thing.

you have not proven anything. I don't give a shit if Dorian uses "balance" and "proportion" to mean different things. They are essentially the same.

utter bullshit, you pick and choose which quotes to use. I find it laughable that you would even cite that as evidence you have corrected us. For example, you like to quote Peter McGough in your argument that Ronnie was carrying more water in 99. However, you ignore when he says that Ronnie has the best back of all-time and is unbeatable. Then you claim that you "corrected" us with eye witness testimony yet pretend that you're somehow immune when we use quotes in our favor. Get real, kid.

they are correlated with each other but are not the same. Conditioning means how dry and shredded a person is. Definition refers to separations and striations. You are a fool for thinking they mean the same thing.

No definition and conditioning are the same , they refer to the same thing who was in shape and who wasn't , definition is the IFBB terminology thats evolved into conditioning

you have not proven anything. I don't give a shit if Dorian uses "balance" and "proportion" to mean different things. They are essentially the same.

Og course you don't ' give a shit ' because you're proven dead wrong period. and they're ' essentially the same ' to you , perfect example Kris Dim who has poor upper & lower BALANCE and his arms are lacking in  proportion , his forearms and NOT in proportion with his biceps/triceps ( Ronnie anyone ? ) Ronnie Coleman has poor calves in PROPORTION to his quads thus is lower leg BALANCE suffers

They're not the same thing , and do your presume to know more than a 6 time Mr Olympia?  Yates has better balance & proportion , I've maintained that since day one and have not been proven wrong only verified right

utter bullshit, you pick and choose which quotes to use. I find it laughable that you would even cite that as evidence you have corrected us. For example, you like to quote Peter McGough in your argument that Ronnie was carrying more water in 99. However, you ignore when he says that Ronnie has the best back of all-time and is unbeatable. Then you claim that you "corrected" us with eye witness testimony yet pretend that you're somehow immune when we use quotes in our favor. Get real, kid.

NO it's YOU people who ignore all the quotes , its YOU people who hate quotes , dismiss quotes , etc Pete McGough says Ronnie has the best back ever , Flex Wheeler say Joel Stubbs does , Samir & Ronnie himself say Dorian does , its a subjective topic that can be argued , Ronnie being off from 1999 from 1998 isn't subjective I mean he was off , slightly but none the less he was off , where are the quotes saying he wasn't holding any water or he was just as hard and dry? there are none , its not a subjective matter , and I didn't ignore the Peter quote about Ronnie 01 being unbeatable in fact I posted it  and again that is a subjective matter up for debate its not absolute , its open for discussion m it's arguable , and he said the best physique he ever seen ON-STAGE was 01 Ronnie and the best he seen OFF-STAGE was Dorian at 269 pounds and he never commented on who would beat who and again its a matter of opinion not an absolute , so the quotes still support my claims not contradict them.

[NeoSeminole]

No definition and conditioning are the same , they refer to the same thing who was in shape and who wasn't , definition is the IFBB terminology thats evolved into conditioning

yawn, they are not the same. The purpose of conditioning is to display better definition. Ask any knowledgeable bodybuilding fan. When a competitor shows up out of shape, they say he needs to work on his conditioning. They don't say he needs to work on his definition.

Og course you don't ' give a shit ' because you're proven dead wrong period. and they're ' essentially the same ' to you , perfect example Kris Dim who has poor upper & lower BALANCE and his arms are lacking in  proportion , his forearms and NOT in proportion with his biceps/triceps ( Ronnie anyone ? ) Ronnie Coleman has poor calves in PROPORTION to his quads thus is lower leg BALANCE suffers

balance and proportion are the same, you fool. Look them up in the dictionary. To borrow your example, poor upper and lower body balance can also be expressed as the upper half of the body not being in proportion to the lower half. Balance and proportion are exchangeable with each other. However, they are often used separately to avoid repeating oneself.

They're not the same thing , and do your presume to know more than a 6 time Mr Olympia? Yates has better balance & proportion , I've maintained that since day one and have not been proven wrong only verified right

I don't presume to know more about bodybuilding criteria than Dorian, but I do presume to know more about the English language and what different words mean.

NO it's YOU people who ignore all the quotes , its YOU people who hate quotes , dismiss quotes , etc Pete McGough says Ronnie has the best back ever , Flex Wheeler say Joel Stubbs does , Samir & Ronnie himself say Dorian does , its a subjective topic that can be argued , Ronnie being off from 1999 from 1998 isn't subjective I mean he was off , slightly but none the less he was off , where are the quotes saying he wasn't holding any water or he was just as hard and dry? there are none , its not a subjective matter

I have no problem accepting Flex Wheeler's opinion that Joel Stubbs has the best back ever if that means acknowledging his comment that Ronnie would beat Dorian. Samir and Ronnie said that Dorian has the better back. However, they didn't mention who is the better bodybuilder. So I have no problem accepting what they said either.

and I didn't ignore the Peter quote about Ronnie 01 being unbeatable in fact I posted it and again that is a subjective matter up for debate its not absolute , its open for discussion m it's arguable , and he said the best physique he ever seen ON-STAGE was 01 Ronnie and the best he seen OFF-STAGE was Dorian at 269 pounds and he never commented on who would beat who and again its a matter of opinion not an absolute , so the quotes still support my claims not contradict them.

Peter McGough said that Ronnie's package at the 01 ASC is unbeatable. Nowhere did he say it's a tie.

[IceCold]

sure they are.

keep telling yourself this.

there is not a fan or judge in the world who will EVER agree with you:

apparently you're wrong.

yates lost to only 2 people in his entire pro career and never placed lower than 2nd.

40 + differnt bodybuilders have taken turns beating ronnie coleman.

yates won 5/6 Olympias with perfect scores.

obviously, your opinions and criteria are worthless and incorrect.

yates has proved you wrong and cutler proved you wrong this year beating and embarrassing your hero 4 times in a row.

when are you going to accpet reality and the facts and instead of your 'eyes'.

[IceCold]

tell us, o'resident troll, is that why you argued that Ronnie 99 was "the greatest ever" and would win 'everything except the ab shot and side tri'?

inquiring minds want to know:

that was when he first started in with this thread. 

then he saw the evidence, the clips, read what qualified people had to state, contest results - like when you talk about ronnie's taper and arms yet that only got him to 6th place when he competed against dorian and then he realized the truth - yates would win.

even you fake screencaps of 99 couldnt convince him back to his incorrect, and proven wrong opinion. 

[IceCold]

sure they are.

keep telling yourself this.

there is not a fan or judge in the world who will EVER agree with you:

good call.  any other valid points you want to make and be proven wrong again.










yates arms look great in many shots.  you also choose a select few shots to make your point.

unlike dorian, ronnie's calves are trageic in EVERY shot, just the same as his gut and 4 pack.

[IceCold]

and the worst front double bi of any mr. olympia...

coleman has the worst midsection, calves,  and leg balance of any mr. olympia.

he also rivals franco for worst gyno for a mr. olympia as well. 

he's been beaten more times and by more bodybuilders than any of mr. olympia. 

[Bear]

lol whats really funny is there is ONE really good shot where dorian's back double bi actually looks really good.

the rest all look like this:




 
(check out the rolls of Cutler-fat above the tights..)
 

and yet there are dozens of shots showing Ronnie's double bi when in shape looking great.

what does that tell us?

that onstage, an in shape ronnie would easily beat Dorian in the back double bi...

This is the thing about Dorian, in every pic save one he has a really thick but quite flat looking back double bi. His Bis are flat to the point of being almost invisible so he has to rely on his lats and those big delts, but his back doesn't flare out like Ronnie's and always looks noticably asymmetrical, wheras Ronnie's (apart from last year obviously) has displayed remarkable left/right balance for a carreer basically twice as long as Dorian's. Coleman's literally jumps out at you and commands first place, rather than a 'I guess his back is thick and his conditioning's amazing' type response.

[Iceman1981]

REFUTED!

Don't forget this one:

[Iceman1981]

LOL

[gmflex]

This thread needs to die

[IceCold]

LOL

dorian:  you know ronnie, you never did beat me or even come close.


ronnie:  yeah, i know.  good thing you did retire or else i'd still be working 40 hours a week as a cop.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yawn, they are not the same. The purpose of conditioning is to display better definition. Ask any knowledgeable bodybuilding fan. When a competitor shows up out of shape, they say he needs to work on his conditioning. They don't say he needs to work on his definition.

balance and proportion are the same, you fool. Look them up in the dictionary. To borrow your example, poor upper and lower body balance can also be expressed as the upper half of the body not being in proportion to the lower half. Balance and proportion are exchangeable with each other. However, they are often used separately to avoid repeating oneself.

I don't presume to know more about bodybuilding criteria than Dorian, but I do presume to know more about the English language and what different words mean.

I have no problem accepting Flex Wheeler's opinion that Joel Stubbs has the best back ever if that means acknowledging his comment that Ronnie would beat Dorian. Samir and Ronnie said that Dorian has the better back. However, they didn't mention who is the better bodybuilder. So I have no problem accepting what they said either.

Peter McGough said that Ronnie's package at the 01 ASC is unbeatable. Nowhere did he say it's a tie.

yawn, they are not the same. The purpose of conditioning is to display better definition. Ask any knowledgeable bodybuilding fan. When a competitor shows up out of shape, they say he needs to work on his conditioning. They don't say he needs to work on his definition.

Definition is known as many things , being ripped , being dry , being hard , being in great condition , muscularity ,  etc its all basically the same thing , when someone is off they don't say his definition was off , it was he was not as ripped , or he was holding water , or he wasn't as hard as he was last contest , his conditioning left a lot to be desired , they all address the same thing

balance and proportion are the same, you fool. Look them up in the dictionary. To borrow your example, poor upper and lower body balance can also be expressed as the upper half of the body not being in proportion to the lower half. Balance and proportion are exchangeable with each other. However, they are often used separately to avoid repeating oneself.

I don't presume to know more about bodybuilding criteria than Dorian, but I do presume to know more about the English language and what different words mean.

We're talking about the bodybuilding context not the dictionary definition , learn this from the NPC judging criteria

General Assessment - Symmetry

Proportion, shape and balance of the musculature in a relaxed state, taking into consideration the overall bone structure, is in essence the definition of Symmetry.

    * PROPORTION is based on the skeletal frame for the musculature attachments. It can be determined by the length of the bones in relation to one another.

    * SHAPE is the contour of each body part from the point of origin to the point of insertion.

    * BALANCE is the contour of each body part in relation to the other body parts

The Pro Division Rules : and if anyone would know about how bodybuilding contests are judged Wayne Demilia would

How Will Scoring Work?

      SCORE #1
      ROUND 1 - Symmetry & Aesthetics - 20%

            What the judges are looking for:
            The judges are looking for overall symmetry, aesthetics, balance and proportion. There should be a "V" taper from the shoulders to the waist. The stomach region should be muscular yet small and tight from all angles.

"To me, bodybuilding is about training to sculpt a body until everything
is in proportion and flows as perfectly as humanly possible. It's about
trying to reach physical perfection, to look like a Greek sculpture. No
bodypart should stand out, but everything should be outstanding. It's
about symmetry, balance and proportion. When I train, it's always with
the goal of reaching this physical ideal. Getting big is only a part of
the equation."
--Troy Alves Flex July 2005

Date:
   
April 13, 2005
From:
   
IFBB Professional Division
To:
   
All IFBB Professional Members
Re:
   
SYMMETRY & NATURAL AESTHETICS

 




Montreal, Canada, April 13, 2005: With a mandate from President Ben Weider, the Professional Committee and a team of expert advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development, such as size, shape, density, separation and definition, in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.

Certain objective criteria are involved in assessing symmetry and natural aesthetics in competitive bodybuilding. Of great significance are the qualities of balance, proportion and the overall “flow” of the physique, including classic attributes such as a dramatic “V-taper”; from broad shoulders and a wide back to a streamlined waist and a flat, muscular abdomen. In addition, there should be balance between upper and lower body development, and harmony between the left and right sides of the body. These characteristics have been the hallmark of a bodybuilder’s physique for decades, and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.

Distended abdomens and distorted muscles negatively impact upon symmetry and natural aesthetics and, therefore, detract from the overall physique. Athletes and judges are advised that muscle size at the expense of symmetry and natural aesthetics will not be assessed favourably.

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I mean give up with this nonsense they're the same thing , they're not and I provided the proof , please don't comment on things that you're ignorant of , because being someone who is in the know I will correct you 
 

 

I have no problem accepting Flex Wheeler's opinion that Joel Stubbs has the best back ever if that means acknowledging his comment that Ronnie would beat Dorian. Samir and Ronnie said that Dorian has the better back. However, they didn't mention who is the better bodybuilder. So I have no problem accepting what they said either.

Peter McGough said that Ronnie's package at the 01 ASC is unbeatable. Nowhere did he say it's a tie.

How about the comment from Flex saying he would own a couple of Ronnie's Sandows? do you agree with that statement as well? do you agree with Flex thinking he was the winner in 1999? and again on subjective matters things like who has the best back etc things can be argued either way but quotes like Ronnie's conditioning from one contest to the next isn't subjective , either he's holding water or not either he's a tad softer or not I mean get serious , the same with BALANCE & PROPORTION  its not subjective

And you and the other Coleman fans do ignore quotes when they don't work for you and then have the balls to say the same about me its a very typical Coleman hypocritical move a common theme among most Coleman fans , I posted a quote from Lee Priest specifically stating that that Dorian would beat Ronnie because he was better balanced & conditioned , oh boy that was dismissed and the subjective part is Dorian would beat Ronnie that can be argued ,  the issue of who had better balance & conditioning really can't  and I supplemented that quote with another again Dorian specifically stating the same exact thing Dorian said he has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , now this has always been my opinion and I've verified  with two Pros and Dorian himself none the less ! then I can add that an IFBB judge Bev Francis again specifically commenting commenting on Dorian outstanding balance and you guys have the balls to say his balance isn't that great or his worse Ronnie has better balance , the quotes support my original opinion and I've yet to see any quotes to the contrary specifically stating that Ronnie has better balance & conditioning than Dorian , my point of view is correct and and proven so

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.


Again he does say Yates would be a contender for best-ever physique , although he states Ronnie would be ' unbeatable ' he still states Dorian would be a contender to best-ever , so its kind of a contradiction because how can one be a contender if the other is unbeatable? and again its such a subjective topic you could ask 10 people who is the best ever and get 10 different answers and none are right or wrong

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian:  you know ronnie, you never did beat me or even come close.


ronnie:  yeah, i know.  good thing you did retire or else i'd still be working 40 hours a week as a cop.

Great post !

[Hulkster]

notice how the 'dorian 97 would still beat ronnie and win the MR. O" argument quietly died when these pics were posted:

[NeoSeminole]

Definition is known as many things , being ripped , being dry , being hard , being in great condition , muscularity ,  etc its all basically the same thing , when someone is off they don't say his definition was off , it was he was not as ripped , or he was holding water , or he wasn't as hard as he was last contest , his conditioning left a lot to be desired , they all address the same thing

definition certainly implies being ripped and dry, but it does not mean the same as conditioning. You even said yourself that when someone is off, they say he missed his conditioning. They don't say he missed his definition. If both terms are synonymous, then you should be able to substitute one for the other.

We're talking about the bodybuilding context not the dictionary definition , learn this from the NPC judging criteria

General Assessment - Symmetry

Proportion, shape and balance of the musculature in a relaxed state, taking into consideration the overall bone structure, is in essence the definition of Symmetry.

* PROPORTION is based on the skeletal frame for the musculature attachments. It can be determined by the length of the bones in relation to one another.

* SHAPE is the contour of each body part from the point of origin to the point of insertion.

* BALANCE is the contour of each body part in relation to the other body parts

oh give me a f*cking break! The length of bones? Is that what proportion really means? So you've been nitpicking at something that you can't even see this whole time?
 

How about the comment from Flex saying he would own a couple of Ronnie's Sandows? do you agree with that statement as well? do you agree with Flex thinking he was the winner in 1999? and again on subjective matters things like who has the best back etc things can be argued either way but quotes like Ronnie's conditioning from one contest to the next isn't subjective , either he's holding water or not either he's a tad softer or not I mean get serious , the same with BALANCE & PROPORTION  its not subjective

If I have to accept Flex's opinion about owning a couple of Ronnie's sandows in order for his comment that Ronnie would beat Dorian to hold true, then so be it. At least I'm not a hypocrite who picks which quotes he accepts and ignores.

Again he does say Yates would be a contender for best-ever physique , although he states Ronnie would be ' unbeatable ' he still states Dorian would be a contender to best-ever , so its kind of a contradiction because how can one be a contender if the other is unbeatable? and again its such a subjective topic you could ask 10 people who is the best ever and get 10 different answers and none are right or wrong

you assume that "contender" = tie. Peter McGough was saying that Dorian would be a challenge for Ronnie. However, he quickly dispels any doubt in the reader's mind by saying 01 ASC Ronnie is unbeatable.

[Hulkster]

This is the thing about Dorian, in every pic save one he has a really thick but quite flat looking back double bi. His Bis are flat to the point of being almost invisible so he has to rely on his lats and those big delts, but his back doesn't flare out like Ronnie's and always looks noticably asymmetrical, wheras Ronnie's (apart from last year obviously) has displayed remarkable left/right balance for a carreer basically twice as long as Dorian's. Coleman's literally jumps out at you and commands first place, rather than a 'I guess his back is thick and his conditioning's amazing' type response

excellent post