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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25500 on: February 28, 2007, 03:56:58 PM »
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super wide waist.

twigs on a barrel arms

blobs for quads.

great lats.

nothing that we didn't already know about dorian 97 here... ::)

actually, that's a great shot of yates taper and compariable with ANY coleman shot. 

his lats are so thick that you cant even see his entire arm to call it a twig.

coleman's chest has never been that thick, balanced, and GYNO FREE!
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25501 on: February 28, 2007, 04:04:00 PM »
I've asked you so many times to post shots of 03 Ronnie's gut during the symmetry round. If his midsection was as distended as you say, then it shouldn't be a problem for you. Until then, you're just talking out of your ass. You also forget that Dorian had a huge gut in 95.

  I have the FLEX and Ironman reviews of the 2003 Olympia, and the critique bestowed upon Ronnie by both magazines is that his increased weight resulted in blurred details and that his abdomen was unacceptable. McGough in fact pointed out three months after the 2004 Olympia that the I.F.B.B had to create a rule mandating streamlining of midsection because of the protruding guts of the pros had become unacceptable. Sure, Dorian had one in 1997, but as bad as it was, it was nowhere big enough for the I.F.B.B judges to ammend the judging protocol as they did due to Ruhl and especially Coleman. Unfortunately, I don't have a working scanner right now, so I can't post pics. But his is immaterial, however, since these pics have been posted many times before. You are a persona non grata for your constant demands of further proof, when in fact dozens of pics have already been posted showing Ronnie's abdominal deformity at that year's Olympia.

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bwahahahahahahahaha, you're such a retard. Let's give Dorian the upper hand in back definition.

  Sure... ::) Dorian is more defined in all the back and not only in thye upper part. His vastus lateralis and medialis are clearly more separated than Coleman's. Dorian takes Coleman out triceps separations between the three heads. His abdomen is far more separated than Ronnie's. Dorian's three delt heads are also more spearated. The fact that Dorian easily defeates the 2003 Coleman in overral separations despite the fact that Ronnie has a strong genetic advantage in separation goes to show just how much fat and water the 2003 Coleman was holding.

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Ronnie still wins in arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads and hamstrings. You get the picture.

  "Arms" is not a category. Dorian wins in several aspects of arms, such as the side triceps shot. Delts, well, Ronnie's are bigger, but Dorian's are proportional and aesthetic in the side relaxed round, side triceps and side chest mandatory. Glutes are actually a liability for Coleman, since a male bodybuilder is not supposed to have large glutes. Qhads i give it to yo. Ronnie has arguably the best quads in bodybuilding history - and despite the fact that his quads were not very separated at the 2003 Olympia. Hmastrings? I actually prefer Dorian's, as they are incrtedibly hard. Although Ronnie's are bigger, he loses in calves. You get the picture... ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25502 on: February 28, 2007, 04:06:38 PM »
Suckmymuscle is a very fair and unbiased poster in this thread.

His posts should be taken with the utmost respect.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25503 on: February 28, 2007, 04:10:36 PM »
I'm telling you the terms are synonymous , they all basically mean the same thing , definition is an old term that isn't really used anymore

bwahahahaha, they are not synonymous. You even admitted yourself they are not. Now you claim they are. Make up your damn mind already.

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Look Neo you're dead fucking wrong on this and have been soundly proven wrong by me , I posted three totally different judging criterion and all three specifically mentioned BALANCE & PROPORTION as separate entities , you're wrong period and again my point is how can you guys comment on things that you're ignorant of? and yes part of it is length of bones and you can most certainly see them , and Ronnie is a perfect example long legs , short torso , long limbs , etc

I will accept what you say is true. However, please note that your sources are using a definition for proportion that doesn't exist in the dictionary. Proportion, in and of itself, simply means different parts of a whole existing in harmony with each other. The term is synonymous with balance.

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No you are a hypocrite because you've dismissed quotes all along until you found some that worked for you and I've always used them and again I'm not hypocrite I posted the McGough quote to begin with , meaning I don't run from quotes pro or con , I didn't have to post that quote and you'd have nothing to cling onto the difference is I can accept it for what it is and thats a personal opinion and its not an absolute , and I do respect his opinion but I can go an back and post all the NEGATIVE remarks of McGough posted by Coleman-groupies after I posted quotes regarding Yates , his opinions worthless , he's biased , he's blind . he's lying , etc , etc , but now it works in you guys favor and its a favorite thats hypocritical

get your facts straight. I originally dismissed quotes b/c it's pointless to use one man's opinion to support your argument in a subjective sport. If you post a quote saying Dorian is better and I post one saying Ronnie is better, who's to say which is correct? Obviously they both cannot be true simultaneously. I'm not a hypocrite b/c I don't pick which quotes to accept and ignore. Unlike you, I either accept all of them or none.

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And while he may feel Ronnie 2001 is ' unbeatable ' it doesn't mean he his Dorian at 269 pounds has way to man advantages over any Ronnie to be denied in MY personal opinion so in the end its still a subjective opinion

likewise, although Peter McGough may feel that 99 Ronnie is less conditioned than 98, it doesn't mean he was. So you shouldn't quote him to support your claim. You see where this is going... ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25504 on: February 28, 2007, 04:38:01 PM »
But Dorian's conditioning is the best ever! Sorry, sport, but your boy never became famous for his conditioning. That is just plainly a fact. Conversely, Dorian's 1993/5/6 Olympia winning forms are ranked as the best ever by several bodybuilding writers and judges.

that's your personal opinion. Unless you have a hydrostatic weighing machine and individually measured Dorian and Ronnie at their peaks, you cannot definitively say who was more conditioned. I personally feel that 01 ASC Ronnie's conditioning slightly exceeded Dorian's. Ronnie's back looked tight and hard like Dorian's in addition to having better definition in his delts, pecs, arms, glutes, quads and hamstrings.

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Oh, I most certainly mentioned grain before. Several times. In fact, I gave a lenghy explanation to Usmoke regarding how it's unfair to say that Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian in virtue of him having more overral separations, because Dorian has more grain.

I said you never mentioned grain in any of your responses to me. I don't care if you said it in one of your replies to someone else. I don't read all of your posts in this thread.

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So are you saying that a fat guy holding water would look grainy if he had lots of acne in his skin? You just broke the bank in stupidity for this one.

obviously not, dumbass, since the acne wouldn't be enough to compensate for his abundant fat and water. However, compare Ronnie and Dorian when they are both in contest-condition. Now switch Ronnie's smooth, even-tone skin with Dorian's acne-covered, leathery skin. I guarantee you that Ronnie would look "grainier" than Dorian.

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Ready to get owned? Well, sport, separations are most definitely genetic to some extent, because there is such a thibg as overral bodyfat and separations. Assume two guys, both at 3% bodyfat. Now, the bodyfat refers to overral fat, right? So, if separations are not partially genetic, then they would show the exact same number of separations overral for the same amount of bodyfat. Sure, one guy would have more separations here and the other there, but overral their number of separations would be the exact fucking thing for the same given amount of bodyfat. Since it's not, your theory is downright wrong and you got owned yet again.

if they had the same amount of muscle, then I believe they would demonstrate the same amount of overall definition. If separations and striations were largely genetic, as you say, then how come you don't see defined people with 15% body fat. Instead, they may have visible striations in their delts or good separation in their quads and that's it. This simply means they naturally store less fat and water in certain areas.

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Not feeling so confident now, huh, dipshit? You posted your pics a few months ago and challenged me to a posedown; now that I'm returning the favor by challenging you at a competition that actually means something, and you weasel out with the bullshit excuse that you'll thinbk about it and that it's not in your priority list. What's in your priority list, dipshit? Licking the spooge out of Coleman's crotch?

ha ha ha ha ha, you're such a pathetic tool. My hesitation to enter the Mr. Getbig has nothing to do with lack of confidence. In that case, I challenge you to enter a marathon or climb a mountain. Competing in an online bodybuilding competition isn't exactly high on my agenda of things to do. Furthermore, I never challenged you to a posedown. I don't know where you got that shit from. I dared you to post a pic of yourself. Of course, you chickened out like the loser that you are. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25505 on: February 28, 2007, 04:41:18 PM »
bwahahahaha, they are not synonymous. You even admitted yourself they are not. Now you claim they are. Make up your damn mind already.

I will accept what you say is true. However, please note that your sources are using a definition for proportion that doesn't exist in the dictionary. Proportion, in and of itself, simply means different parts of a whole existing in harmony with each other. The term is synonymous with balance.

get your facts straight. I originally dismissed quotes b/c it's pointless to use one man's opinion to support your argument in a subjective sport. If you post a quote saying Dorian is better and I post one saying Ronnie is better, who's to say which is correct? Obviously they both cannot be true simultaneously. I'm not a hypocrite b/c I don't pick which quotes to accept and ignore. Unlike you, I either accept all of them or none.

likewise, although Peter McGough may feel that 99 Ronnie is less conditioned than 98, it doesn't mean he was. So you shouldn't quote him to support your claim. You see where this is going... ;)

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bwahahahaha, they are not synonymous. You even admitted yourself they are not. Now you claim they are. Make up your damn mind already.

They're all the same thing , definition is an old term that encompasses all the same things , definition isn't used as a description anymore

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I will accept what you say is true. However, please note that your sources are using a definition for proportion that doesn't exist in the dictionary. Proportion, in and of itself, simply means different parts of a whole existing in harmony with each other. The term is synonymous with balance.

Of course it isn't in a dictionary its in the bodybuilding context  ;) and I mean either you can accept it or not either way you're wrong it doesn't change the fact the are treated as two separate entities by 3 competitive bodybuilding organizations

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get your facts straight. I originally dismissed quotes b/c it's pointless to use one man's opinion to support your argument in a subjective sport. If you post a quote saying Dorian is better and I post one saying Ronnie is better, who's to say which is correct? Obviously they both cannot be true simultaneously. I'm not a hypocrite b/c I don't pick which quotes to accept and ignore. Unlike you, I either accept all of them or none.

likewise, although Peter McGough may feel that 99 Ronnie is less conditioned than 98, it doesn't mean he was. So you shouldn't quote him to support your claim. You see where this is going... ;)

On subjective quotes neither of us are right or wrong but on non subjective I'm right , especially on the topic of condition who had better conditioning and balance & proportion , I understand what you're saying about on the topic of who is better and backs etc and I don't have to agree with everything someone says , I'm not bound to every quote thats nonsense and not hypocritical

And the matter of conditioning is NOT really subjective either a guys holding water or not , I mean I can notice a difference between Ronnie 98 and 99 so to claim otherwise is simply not accurate and you could help your case if you could supplement your claim with quotes to the contrary , which I've yet to see.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25506 on: February 28, 2007, 04:45:13 PM »
Suckmymuscle is a very fair and unbiased poster in this thread.

His posts should be taken with the utmost respect.

sure, that's why he resorts to making up information in his posts. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25507 on: February 28, 2007, 04:46:43 PM »
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I mean I can notice a difference between Ronnie 98 and 99 so to claim otherwise is simply not accurate and you could help your case if you could supplement your claim with quotes to the contrary , which I've yet to see.


why do you only rely on quotes so much in this sport like this?

visual evidence holds a lot more weight you know.

use your own judgement and eyes for a change and make up your own mind.

you might learn something...that other people are often wrong...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25508 on: February 28, 2007, 04:49:27 PM »
why do you only rely on quotes so much in this sport like this?

visual evidence holds a lot more weight you know.

use your own judgement and eyes for a change and make up your own mind.

you might learn something...that other people are often wrong...



The thing with 1998 V 1999 is there is a VISUAL difference in his conditioning I judges this with my own eyes and verified it with an eyewitness , you've yet to counter this argument with anything other than your limited opinion , you post a pic and say see thats not how it works , especially considering your ignorant as the day is long.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25509 on: February 28, 2007, 05:23:02 PM »
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its a pose called for in the symmetry round you retard!  Its one of the quarter turns...

have you ever even WATCHED a bodybuilding contest?

or do you just read about them like ND?

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have you ever been to a pro show :o

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« Reply #25510 on: February 28, 2007, 05:23:50 PM »
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its a pose called for in the symmetry round you retard!  Its one of the quarter turns...

have you ever even WATCHED a bodybuilding contest?

or do you just read about them like ND?

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have you ever been to a mr olympia

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25511 on: February 28, 2007, 05:30:45 PM »
have you ever been to a pro show :o

Hulkster = owned

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25512 on: February 28, 2007, 05:31:38 PM »
no, I live in canada. the mr. olympia is a long long long way away.

and what does that have to do with Pubic not even knowing what a quarter turn is? ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25513 on: February 28, 2007, 05:41:30 PM »
have you ever been to a pro show :o

what does that have to do with anything?

a downs syndrome kid has probably went to the olympia i guess his opinion is more valid because he has sat in the bleachers.

dude, this argument is retarded, ronnie clearly owns dorian. what bodypart does dorian have on ronnie. calves and abs for sure. back is very debatable. arms-no. quads not even close. hams-ronnie.glutes-ronnie.delts-ronnie.chest-ronnie. combine that with better shape, round muscle bellies and close to equal mass and superior symmetry and you've got a better bodybuilder.

dorian was flat but dry as a bone, flatness is a fault in so far as fullness is a positive attribute.

the only opinion that matters is the right opinion wether at a show or not. based on the criteria ronnie wins, this can be seen with things called eyes.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25514 on: February 28, 2007, 05:46:51 PM »
why do you only rely on quotes so much in this sport like this?

visual evidence holds a lot more weight you know.

use your own judgement and eyes for a change and make up your own mind.

you might learn something...that other people are often wrong...



Becuase you are not a professional bodybuilding judge. It's that plain and simple. And you have proven this time and time again with your ignorant and delusional statements, which ND has corrected you on each and every time.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25515 on: February 28, 2007, 08:29:14 PM »
Hulkster = owned

Actually it was Kyomu hundreds of pages ago, actually having been to several Yates Olympias, who emphasized how underwhelming Yates was in person compared to other guys like Coleman and Levrone...no one else was actually there. LOL

In other words, he looks better in these pics than in person according to someone actually there in person.hahahahahahha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25516 on: February 28, 2007, 08:52:00 PM »
Actually it was Kyomu hundreds of pages ago, actually having been to several Yates Olympias, who emphasized how underwhelming Yates was in person compared to other guys like Coleman and Levrone...no one else was actually there. LOL

In other words, he looks better in these pics than in person according to someone actually there in person.hahahahahahha


remember when peter mcgough said coleman had the best back, etc.

remember when you continually posted that same quote for about 11 pages.

in reference to the unknown kyomu, pete said the exact opposite about some bodybuilders and he particuarily mentioned dorian.

hmmmmmm.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25517 on: February 28, 2007, 09:04:42 PM »
Actually it was Kyomu hundreds of pages ago, actually having been to several Yates Olympias, who emphasized how underwhelming Yates was in person compared to other guys like Coleman and Levrone...no one else was actually there. LOL


hahahahahahah now this dipshit is making up imaginary getbig members to suit his racially motivated hate hahahahah

too bad we have an active posting member who was at the 95 olympia hahahahah

pumpy ownage #124 hahahahahahahahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25518 on: February 28, 2007, 10:21:43 PM »
hahahahahahah now this dipshit is making up imaginary getbig members to suit his racially motivated hate hahahahah

wtf, imaginary member? I remember the guy he's talking about. You have reached a new all-time low in this thread. First, you claimed the 99 pics of Ronnie are fake. Now you're accusing us of making up imaginary members to support our argument? ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25519 on: February 28, 2007, 11:00:12 PM »


Becuase you are not a professional bodybuilding judge. It's that plain and simple. And you have proven this time and time again with your ignorant and delusional statements, which ND has corrected you on each and every time.




LOL judges know more than anyone that you can't read about physiques and compare them. You have to look at them with your own two eyes.

you guys are too stupid to understand this... :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25520 on: February 28, 2007, 11:02:34 PM »


LOL judges know more than anyone that you can't read about physiques and compare them. You have to look at them with your own two eyes.

you guys are too stupid to understand this... :-\


So not only have you in this thread claimed to have more credibility than Kevin Horton, a professional photographer, but also professional IFBB judges.

What next? ::)

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« Reply #25521 on: February 28, 2007, 11:03:58 PM »
what does that have to do with anything?

a downs syndrome kid has probably went to the olympia i guess his opinion is more valid because he has sat in the bleachers.

dude, this argument is retarded, ronnie clearly owns dorian. what bodypart does dorian have on ronnie. calves and abs for sure. back is very debatable. arms-no. quads not even close. hams-ronnie.glutes-ronnie.delts-ronnie.chest-ronnie. combine that with better shape, round muscle bellies and close to equal mass and superior symmetry and you've got a better bodybuilder.

dorian was flat but dry as a bone, flatness is a fault in so far as fullness is a positive attribute.

the only opinion that matters is the right opinion wether at a show or not. based on the criteria ronnie wins, this can be seen with things called eyes.



fantastic post.

I would love to see an attempt at a well thought out refutation using (gasp!) VISUSAL evidence for back up. not someone's 12 year old quote. :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25522 on: February 28, 2007, 11:06:17 PM »
what does that have to do with anything?

a downs syndrome kid has probably went to the olympia i guess his opinion is more valid because he has sat in the bleachers.

dude, this argument is retarded, ronnie clearly owns dorian. what bodypart does dorian have on ronnie. calves and abs for sure. back is very debatable. arms-no. quads not even close. hams-ronnie.glutes-ronnie.delts-ronnie.chest-ronnie. combine that with better shape, round muscle bellies and close to equal mass and superior symmetry and you've got a better bodybuilder.

dorian was flat but dry as a bone, flatness is a fault in so far as fullness is a positive attribute.

the only opinion that matters is the right opinion wether at a show or not. based on the criteria ronnie wins, this can be seen with things called eyes.



The whole is greater than the sum of its parts

Hope this helps :)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25523 on: February 28, 2007, 11:06:27 PM »
So not only have you in this thread claimed to have more credibility than Kevin Horton, a professional photographer, but also professional IFBB judges.

What next? ::)

more credibility?

lol

this is a visual sport.  you don't need to be able to derive gauss's law.

 What makes kevin more credible? Does kevin have 7 eyes? 30/30 vision?

LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25524 on: February 28, 2007, 11:08:03 PM »
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts

Hope this helps :)

LOL

no it isn't:

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