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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25975 on: March 07, 2007, 02:52:57 PM »
I've been off the net for a week.

Has there been any new information posted on this thread since I've been gone?

Yes, check out this first hand account of both Yates and Coleman at their peaks:

I have witnessed both shows live... Mr. O '93 and the Arnold Classic '01. At the O I was probably 15 rows away from the stage sitting in the center... at the Arnold I was sitting right behind the judges... I could look at their score sheets during pre-judging. I was blown away by Dorian's appearance and impressed with Coleman that he tightened up again after his lackluster 2000 showing a few months earlier at the O. However, I was not blown away by his appearance and to this day I am convinced had the '93 Dorian been on that stage he would have defeated Coleman... there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25976 on: March 07, 2007, 03:05:54 PM »
Ronnie of 2003 had 30 pounds on Dorian though.  Ronnie of 2003 was also very damn hard (save for his doughy back).  I would give it to Ronnie.

2003 was a joke.

Dorian was a rock hard 260lbs.

Ronnie was a soft 287lbs.

At best, a 2003 Ronnie carried 8-10 lbs more muscle than Yates.

I'm not denying that a 2003 Ronnie would win due to the muscularity advantage, but I just don't find it all that impressive compared to 98,99 or 01.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25977 on: March 07, 2007, 03:23:17 PM »
again your misrepresenting my posts

you claimed that dorian would look better. i asked how so? more cuts? bigger arm? better shape? you never replied. in fact you avoided the question.

pictures dont lie. people will have the same shape, cuts etc. pictures have the capacity to decrease but cannot create something that is not there, contrast increases obviously do. the photo captures how he looks at that time, with that lighting with that contrast. in person at that moment he would look the same. if you didnt take the photo at that time and just looked at him,he would appear the same. he would not have different shape, or leg seperation. HOWEVER, i agree that he would look better then in photo. gasp, how you ask? ill tell you.


due to the context. that is, dorian in picture is not scaled properly, has no context, and is not animated. all these things and more would make him more impressive. HOWEVER, ronnie would also look better in person, so would dennis james, and everyother pro. the context adds alot.

look a picture of the grand canyon and then go there. you will find that you will be blown away by the sheer size of the canyon in person that you never expected from the photo. HOWEVER, the canyon will not be shaped different, have more ridges etc.. that is the photograph shows what is there.





Your problem is you can't seem to follow the argument , I've most certainly answered every single one of your questions and specifically about why Dorian would look better in person than pictures and video , I've explained that Dorian has fair skin and a lot of the times his details can get washed out in pictures and video , you dismissed this hence why I think Dorian looks better in some black & white shots because his detail isn't washed out and pictures most certainly do lie , pictures are just moments in time and the obvious difference is when the shot was taken , I noticed this when getting screen captures when pausing to capture a screen if not done at the exact moment when someone is flexing the guy looks totally different from when fully flexed , with pictures it all depends when the shot was snapped if he was fully flexed yet , if he was in transition to another pose , etc , etc pictures do lie and don't tell the whole story

and again what part of I've never seen that quote mentioned about Ronnie did you miss? you're under this delusion that if its true for Dorian it must be for Ronnie and I've read most of the contest reports with Ronnie Coleman from 92 until now and never once have I ever seen the quote associated with Ronnie , yet many felt compelled to specifically state this about Dorian ever wonder why? just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean its not true

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.


MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.


" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own.  Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.


Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).



Obvious these people were compelled to comment on this for a reason , I've never seen this quote said about Ronnie .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25978 on: March 07, 2007, 03:33:01 PM »
I've been off the net for a week.

Has there been any new information posted on this thread since I've been gone?

yes, the dorian side is now claiming that Ronnie 2001 Arnold Classic was only impressive due to the shitty competition. :-\

apparently, this was a myth:
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25979 on: March 07, 2007, 03:34:31 PM »
I love how these guys act like Ronnie 1996/1997 was nothing and he was so far off from his best  ::) these pictures are of Ronnie 1997 he's 255 pounds he is holding some water however he had every single advantage these people say would defeat Dorian with the exception of outstanding conditioning he had his great back , his small waist and hips , he has his outstanding biceps/triceps he had his big pecs , he had his great taper , quad sweep etc and he lost to Dorian who had a torn bicep , torn tricep , torn quad and a bloated gut and you think with improved conditioning he's supposed to beat an injury free 257 pound Dorian from 1993? or Yates 1995? lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25980 on: March 07, 2007, 03:41:09 PM »
This got crushed by Yates at his worse lol you think he has hope with better conditioning compared to the man who wrote the book on conditioning? he stands a chance? LMFAO keep dreaming

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25981 on: March 07, 2007, 03:45:38 PM »
Gotta love how Hulkster claims Dorian's upper body "sucks" ::)

How could that possibly be true considering Dorian has the all-time best:

a) front lat spread
b) side triceps
c) ab/thigh

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25982 on: March 07, 2007, 03:54:22 PM »
Gotta love how Hulkster claims Dorian's upper body "sucks" ::)

How could that possibly be true considering Dorian has the all-time best:

a) front lat spread
b) side triceps
c) ab/thigh

no its only ' sucks ' in comparison to Ronnie lol they love to break down parts and thing that accomplishes anything , a collection of parts don't make the best whole , this is where superior balance & proportions come into play , Dorian despite NOT having a hips & waist like Ronnie simply looks better in the front latspread , Dorian despite not having Ronnie's quads outclasses Ronnie in the abdominal & thigh , Dorian despite not having Ronnie's highpeaked biceps is more complete in the back double biceps shot .

This pic sums up who has better balance

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25983 on: March 07, 2007, 03:57:37 PM »

not necessarily.

i'm not refering to the coleman who finished dead last in the Olympia in 92, but the ronnie who in 95 won a pro show and was a top 5 finisher in every show he competed in.

big difference.

dorian didnt have that conditioning or density when he lost to momo. 

another difference.

ronnie DID have his arms, taper, details, etc. when he lost to dorian.

owned.

Great post !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25984 on: March 07, 2007, 03:57:49 PM »
Gotta love how Hulkster claims Dorian's upper body "sucks" ::)

How could that possibly be true considering Dorian has the all-time best:

a) front lat spread
b) side triceps
c) ab/thigh

LOL all time best my ass.

his front lat spread does not have a single cut in sight. It is always smooth as can be. thick lats sure. but horrible quads, chest, arms etc. all doughy and smooth.

ab and shitty thigh? enough said. Dorian had great abs, but a thick waist, and he never even flexed his quads in the pose anyway.

why? because he knew they sucked. He would flex his calf and show off his inner quad.

he had a good side tri...best ever? hardly. See, Levrone, Kevin, Circa 1992 or 1994 for that one.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25985 on: March 07, 2007, 04:05:38 PM »
Ronnie's back in 2003 was soft, but he was hard from the front that year.

Not in his midsection and his quads have been harder and more detailed

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25986 on: March 07, 2007, 04:09:00 PM »


"Hi. I'm Dorian Yates, 6 -not 8- time Mr. Olympia. I would just like to say that Aunt Jemima pancakes are the best in the world. I used them as inspiration for building my back. You should too"


ahahahaha


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25987 on: March 07, 2007, 04:16:20 PM »
Hulkster very quiet about the 1997 pics  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25988 on: March 07, 2007, 04:20:31 PM »
they show what everyone already knows:


ronnie had to pay his dues to be noticed by the judges on the olympia stage.

hell, even in 98 the judges didn't even bother to call him out in the first call out, and he ended up winning the damn thing.

 :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25989 on: March 07, 2007, 04:36:57 PM »
they show what everyone already knows:


ronnie had to pay his dues to be noticed by the judges on the olympia stage.

hell, even in 98 the judges didn't even bother to call him out in the first call out, and he ended up winning the damn thing.

 :-\

They show a 255 pound Ronnie who was NO newbie to the sport who had all of the advantages you claim would be unstopable with the exception of outstanding conditioning and he got beat down by the worse Yates has ever seen lol he had to pay his dues i.e. excuses # 325

Neophyte LMFAO

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25990 on: March 07, 2007, 04:39:25 PM »
Ron is hitting a nice side delt there :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25991 on: March 07, 2007, 04:41:02 PM »
Ron is hitting a nice side delt there :-\

The irony is Ronnie has big pecs but his side chest leaves a lot to be desired .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25992 on: March 07, 2007, 04:47:53 PM »
Dorian at his peak is unbeatable:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25993 on: March 07, 2007, 04:54:52 PM »
Talk about insanity ! 269 pounds and as hard and dense as anyones been at this weight

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25994 on: March 07, 2007, 06:52:58 PM »
Hulkster, why don't you just save us a lot of time and admit already that Ronnie was never this good

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25995 on: March 07, 2007, 09:02:58 PM »
bump

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25996 on: March 07, 2007, 09:09:21 PM »
I'm still waiting for one of you morons to answer this post. Let's all see who has the dumbest answer.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1879084#msg1879084

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25997 on: March 08, 2007, 12:01:18 AM »
They show a 255 pound Ronnie who was NO newbie to the sport who had all of the advantages you claim would be unstopable with the exception of outstanding conditioning and he got beat down by the worse Yates has ever seen lol he had to pay his dues i.e. excuses # 325

Neophyte LMFAO

now you are just being stupid.

according to your argument, 1999 Ronnie would barely make the top 10 at the 97 Mr. O. (he placed 9th in his 97 shape)

 ::)

even though this is the difference:

Please, explain your reasoning ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25998 on: March 08, 2007, 12:02:35 AM »
Hulkster, why don't you just save us a lot of time and admit already that Ronnie was never this good

why don't you  go and read all your past comments about peak ronnie and realize that you are nothing but a troll? :P
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25999 on: March 08, 2007, 12:33:23 AM »
LOL 99 ronnie would embarass doughian on stage:
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