Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1984mrolympiaresults.html


my mistake he got 8th.

BWAHAHAAHAHHAHA THIS LOSER NEVER GETS IT RIGHT

[Iceman1981]

the black and white pic of yates proves my point - much better arms in the back double bi (not to mention everthing else) than sergio.

sergio couldnt even crack the top 10 in 84. 

He came 8th genius

[IceCold]

He came 8th genius

i guess no one saw the link i posted with the entire contest results. 

[pumpster]

i guess no one saw the link i posted with the entire contest results. 

"icecold" AKA Easy Reader AKA dumbass

[suckmymuscle]

it's not just "semantics." I was talking about smoothness and you went off on a tangent about how much harder Dorian's muscles were.

  That's because I though that that by "smooth" you were meant puffy. I thought of the word as the antonym of hard, and interchageable with soft. Fans use several words interchangeably, and they seldom look up the literal definition of the word, ot it's etiology.

You tell me. F*ck if I know what the hell you were thinking. Here is what you said.

"Smooth and separated are not the same thing."

I never said they are synonymous with each other. So I don't know why you pointed that out

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  I should have included the word "not" there. Anyway, I know that you used the words as antonyms, but my point remains the same: a muscle can be defined an dlook puffy, while that of another bodybuilder can have less definition while looking harder. In the comparison I posted, Ronnie is more separated but looks soft when compared to Dorian's stony look.

t's clear as black and white. Just answer the question. Who looks more shredded in these comparisons?

  I have already told you that Ronnie looks more defined; in fact, it was my point from the start. Now, who looks harder? Dorian. Thanks for proving my point and repeating my words again. So now you're using the word "shredded" as synonymous with "defined"? I though you only used literal definition of words. Just like when I tought that you only used exact measurements, until you pointed out that Ronnie's arms were bigger than 23" at the 2003 Olympia, when in fact they were smaller than that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

maybe b/c I'm not a douche like you. I don't need to thump my chest to make myself look tough online.

  Like when you dared me to post a pic of myself? You are not secure in yourself, and you got all upset over a comment I made about you having a crappy physique.. So you posting your pic was a meltdown and qualifies as chest-thunping.

what challenge? I asked you to throw up a pic of yourself at your prime? The only "challenge" is you going on your computer for a few sec. and uploading your pic.

  That is a challenge. You wanted to compare my pic with yours. Tha involves a contest of sorts, of evaluating who's better at something. Let me use the woprd in a sentence:

  "Seminole challenged Suckmymuscle to post a pic of himself, so that he could provide proof of his assertion that he has a better physique than the former."

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

I have already told you that Ronnie looks more defined; in fact, it was my point from the start. Now, who looks harder? Dorian.

just answer the question. Who looks more shredded and dry in these pics? I'm not talking about overall physique; only the arms and delts. The point I'm trying to make is that the reason why Ronnie has more definition in certain areas is b/c he, in fact, carried less fat and water in them.

[NeoSeminole]

Like when you dared me to post a pic of myself? You are not secure in yourself, and you got all upset over a comment I made about you having a crappy physique.. So you posting your pic was a meltdown and qualifies as chest-thunping.

how does requesting that you post a pic of yourself after you criticized my physique make me a douche? I can understand if maybe I posted it for people to evaluate me and got offended when someone provided constructive criticism, but you went out of your way to reference my pic from another thread and insult me. Also, I can assure you that I'm secure with how I look. In fact, it would seem that you are the one who is insecure with himself, otherwise you wouldn't be afraid to throw up a pic. So stop projecting your own problems onto me. Furthermore, I don't see how posting a pic of myself qualifies as a meltdown. My post wasn't even directed towards you. It was to show everyone else what I look like so they could follow along with our discussion. Pubes commented that I have a good physique. You're the only person who seems to think I have less muscle than a teenage girl.

That is a challenge. You wanted to compare my pic with yours. Tha involves a contest of sorts, of evaluating who's better at something. Let me use the woprd in a sentence:

yes, b/c we all know that posting a pic on your computer requires as much effort as training for a bodybuilding competition.

[suckmymuscle]

I truly believe that 01 ASC Ronnie was just as dry and shredded (perhaps even more so) than Dorian. So even though Dorian may be more renowned for his conditioning, that's not to say that Ronnie didn't tie him.

  You tried to make as if Dorian's conditioning only stood out becasue it was one of a few of his strengs. Strong points can only be strong points if they are absolute; never relative.

  For instance, a man armed with a knife has a strong point in a fight against an unarmed man, but his strengh becomes a weakness if compared to a man armed with a Colt 45.

  So, your point about the conditioning of Dorian being only a strong point to himself was irrelvant, because if it were inferior to his competitors, then it wouldn't be  a strengh. So my point about Ronnie's conditioning never having been considered his strengh is that he was never the hardest in bodybuilding. Ronnie was not as conditioned compared to several other bodybuilders, and Dorian was at the top of all of them.

  Now, you can argue that Ronnie had as good a conditioning as Dorian at the 2001 ASC, and that's your opinion, but the fact is that Ronnie's shape at that show was never mentioned as the best of all times except by one guy, while the overwhelming majority of bodybuilding journalists regard Dorian's shape at the 1993 and 1995 Olympias the best of all times. Furthermore, the comments about Ronnie at that contest was that it was the best conditioning for him, but not the best of all times like the they say about Dorian to this day. I personally actually agree with you, but prefer the 1998 version of Ronnie. He was not as dry and hard as Dorian in 1995, but he came close, and he was far more separated overral. Comnditioning also includes separations, so Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia was just as conditioned as Dorian at the 1995 Olympia. Nevertheless, only one guy mentioned Ronnie's shape as the best ever at the 2001 ASC, while most boduilding journalists maintain that Dorian was the better in this ever.

I never said that. You must have responded before you finished reading the rest of my post.

  Never said what?

 I have no problem with Peter probably being right about this since his opinion supports mine that Ronnie was the best of all times

  Ugh...It was me who said that the quote mentioned that Peter regardes Ronnie as the best and not as the most conditioned ever. Waht's your point? I have already stated that the opinion of a journalist is like all other opinions. My point was about condiotioning; to show you that far more bodybuilding journalist believe Dorian was the most conditonied ever and not Ronnie. I personally don't care, because conditioning, differently from muscle size, subcutaneous fat and water levels and taper is subjective and therefore not imparcial.

what a good little girl. You are starting to learn fast!

  So now I need to the know all the quotes that I didn't post and who came up with them?  

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

 You tried to make as if Dorian's conditioning only stood out becasue it was one of a few of his strengs. Strong points can only be strong points if they are absolute; never relative.

  For instance, a man armed with a knife has an a strong point in a fight against an unarmed man, but his strengh becomes a weakness if compared to a man armed with a Colt 45.

  So, your point about the conditioning of Dorian being only a strong point to himself was irrelvant, because if it were inferior to his competitors, then it wouldn't be  a strengh.So my point about Ronnie's conditioning never having been considered his strengh is that he was never the hardest in bodybuilding. Ronnie was not as conditioned compared to several other bodybuilders, and Dorian was at the top of all of them.

  Now, you can argue that Ronnie had as good a conditioning as Dorian at the 2001 ASC, and that's your opinion, but the fact is that Ronnie's shape at that show was never mentioned as the best of all times except for one guy, while the overwhelming majority of bodybuilding journalists regard Dorian's shape at the 1993 and 1995 Olympias the best of all times. Furthermore, the written words about Ronnie at that contest was that it was the best conditioning for him, but not the best of all times like the they say about Dorian to this day. I personally actually agree with you, but prefer the 1998 version of Ronnie. He was not as dry and hard as Dorian in 1995, but he came close, and he was far more separated overral. Comnditioning also includes separations, so Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia was just as conditioned as Dorian at the 1995 Olympia. Nevertheless, only one guy mentioned Ronnie's shape as the best ever at the 2001 ASC, while most boduilding journalists maintain that Dorian was the better in this ever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE

Classic. Poorly worded, clumsy, confusing, contorted. The musings of a mental patient.

[suckmymuscle]

just answer the question. Who looks more shredded and dry in these pics? I'm not talking about overall physique; only the arms and delts. The point I'm trying to make is that the reason why Ronnie has more definition in certain areas is b/c he, in fact, carried less fat and water in them.

  I don't think that Ronnie has less subcutanous fat than Dorian in these pics and most definitely not less subcutanous water. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's assume that Ronnie had less bodyfat there. In any case, they're both at 3% bodyfat, so the difference would be neglegible. But let's assume. In nay case, Dorian definitley has less subcuitanous water, and don't come and tell me that Ronnnie has less because Dorian's arms look rock-hard, while Ronnie's look soft. In nay case, Dorian wouls still need to have arms as defined as Ronnie, becasue his lower subcutaneous water level should compensate for it making him just as defined. But what do i see when I look at this pic? I see that Ronnie is far more defined; it isn't even close. There is no way in hell that Dorian is cvarrying that much more subcutaneous fat nad water to account for the difference.

  In any case, this is all irrelevant anyway. Why? Because while you can use the bodyfat distribution argument to save face here, you caanot do this to the entire body. And the simple fact of the matter is that, both in his 1998 as well as 1999 Olympia version, Ronnie had far more separations overral. In 1998, especifically, Ronnie was more separated than  Dorian everywhere: in the quads, hams and back. I have always sustaine that the 1998 Olympia version of Ronnie would be the toughest for Dorian to beat exactly because he was more separated everywhere. For instance, the only thing that I agree with your hero, Hulkster, is that Ronnie had more separations than Dorian in his entire body. I never disagred with him here.

  Now, you can't argue yourself out of this one because there is no way Dorian had more fat and water than Ronnie at his 1998 Olympia version. Dorian in 1993 and 1995 was at 3% bodyfat, which is arguably the lowest you can go, and he was dry like a bone. Ronnie might have as little fat and water as Dorian, but he is far more separated, and your theory only holds true if Dorian had more fat and water, which is impossible. Give up.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

how does requesting that you post a pic of yourself after you criticized my physique make me a douche? I can understand if maybe I posted it for people to evaluate me and got offended when someone provided constructive criticism, but you went out of your way to reference my pic from another thread and insult me. Also, I can assure you that I'm secure with how I look. In fact, it would seem that you are the one who is insecure with himself, otherwise you wouldn't be afraid to throw up a pic. So stop projecting your own problems onto me. Furthermore, I don't see how posting a pic of myself qualifies as a meltdown. My post wasn't even directed towards you. It was to show everyone else what I look like so they could follow along with our discussion. Pubes commented that I have a good physique. You're the only person who seems to think I have less muscle than a teenage girl.

  Ok, but you referenced the pic to this post. That was the meltdown. Posting your pic at the other thread was not a meltdown, but referencing it to me in this place after I said that you probably have a crappy physique was the meltdown: if you were truly secure in yourself, you would have just laughed it off. And I was joking about you having the muscle mass of a teenage girl. You have a very good physique for your age.

yes, b/c we all know that posting a pic on your computer requires as much effort as training for a bodybuilding competition.

  This is beyond the point. You challenged me, and I accepted it. I had no obligation to accept your challenge, but refusing to posedown with me now make you a coward. You should have though about this before challenging me.

[NeoSeminole]

You tried to make as if Dorian's conditioning only stood out becasue it was one of a few of his strengs. Strong points can only be strong points if they are absolute; never relative.

if that's the way you understood what I said, then forgive me for not being more clear. I wasn't referring to Dorian's back and conditioning being a strong point relative to him but to everyone. I thought I elucidated this point when I remarked that Ronnie has some of the best arms of all-time, best delts of all-time, best pecs of all-time, etc. I certainly wasn't speaking about those body parts relative to Ronnie.

Now, you can argue that Ronnie had as good a conditioning as Dorian at the 2001 ASC, and that's your opinion, but the fact is that Ronnie's shape at that show was never mentioned as the best of all times except for one guy, while the overwhelming majority of bodybuilding journalists regard Dorian's shape at the 1993 and 1995 Olympias the best of all times.

how can you say Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been mentioned as the best ever when I posted a quote that did? Here it is again in case you forgot about it.

[NeoSeminole]

I don't think that Ronnie has less subcutanous fat than Dorian in these pics and most definitely not less subcutanous water. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's assume that Ronnie had less bodyfat there. In any case, they're both at 3% bodyfat, so the difference would be neglegible. But let's assume. In nay case, Dorian definitley has less subcuitanous water, and don't come and tell me that Ronnnie has less because Dorian's arms look rock-hard, while Ronnie's look soft.

just answer the question instead of prancing around it like a fairy. Assume you never heard of Ronnie or Dorian before. Forget what you've read about in bodybuilding magazines. Who looks more shredded and dry in the pics?

[NeoSeminole]

Ok, but you referenced the pic to this post. That was the meltdown. Posting your pic at the other thread was not a meltdown, but referencing it to me in this place after I said that you probably have a crappy physique was the meltdown: if you were truly secure in yourself, you would have just laughed it off. And I was joking about you having the muscle mass of a teenage girl. You have a very good physique for your age.

I already told you the post I included my pic wasn't directed towards you. It was to show others what I look like so they could decide for themselves if my physique was really that bad. Before that, all they had to go by was your criticism. So I don't see how that qualifies my post as a meltdown. I didn't type in large bold letters, I wasn't mad, and I didn't go off on a tirade.

This is beyond the point. You challenged me, and I accepted it. I had no obligation to accept your challenge, but refusing to posedown with me now make you a coward. You should have though about this before challenging me.

ha ha ha ha, how little you know about me. I've actually been dieting these past few weeks for shits and giggles. I just may decide to enter the Mr. Getbig contest to shut you up once and for all. We can even make a little wager. Whomever places higher than the other, the loser must retire his account.

[suckmymuscle]

if that's the way you understood what I said, then forgive me for not being more clear. I wasn't referring to Dorian's back and conditioning being a strong point relative to him but to everyone. I thought I elucidated this point when I remarked that Ronnie has some of the best arms of all-time, best delts of all-time, best pecs of all-time, etc. I certainly wasn't speaking about those body parts relative to Ronnie.

  It would be pointless for me to say that Dorian's conditioning was a strengh only if it was good for him. Bodybuilding is about comparisons, and Dorian's conditioning was a strengh because it compared favorably with the other pros. As for the chest, delts and arms, that is a different debate and Dorian's arms and delts actually look better than Ronnie's from many angles and poses.  

how can you say Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been mentioned as the best ever when I posted a quote that did? Here it is again in case you forgot about it.

  I already pointed out that there's one guys who agrees that Ronnie's conditioning at the 2001 ASC was the best of all times; my point of contention being that there are far more of those who think Dorian was the best of all times in this category.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

just answer the question instead of prancing around it like a fairy. Assume you never heard of Ronnie or Dorian before. Forget what you've read about in bodybuilding magazines. Who looks more shredded and dry in the pics?

  The post was too heavy for you, huh? I will make this simple. Does Ronnie look more defined? Yes. Does he look harder? No. Does Dorian carry more subcutaneous fat and water than Ronnie in this pic? Probably not less fat, and definitely not water. In any case, you are proven wrong not by a specific bodypart - where you can use the excuse of bodyfat and water distribution as a cop-out - but by the fact that Dorian has as little bodyfat and less water overral, and yet his muscles are less defined than Ronnie. Game over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

   the fact that Dorian has as little bodyfat and less water overral, and yet his muscles are less defined than Ronnie. Game over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

More mangling of the english language. WTF? 

Stick to pics, you can't communicate effectively..here...

[suckmymuscle]

I already told you the post I included my pic wasn't directed towards you. It was to show others what I look like so they could decide for themselves if my physique was really that bad. Before that, all they had to go by was your criticism. So I don't see how that qualifies my post as a meltdown. I didn't type in large bold letters, I wasn't mad, and I didn't go off on a tirade.

  It is a meltdown because you gave my criticism enough importance to actually post a pic to have others validate your physique for you. I got an emotional response reaction from you, which is exactly what I wanted.

ha ha ha ha, how little you know about me. I've actually been dieting these past few weeks for shits and giggles. I just may decide to enter the Mr. Getbig contest to shut you up once and for all. We can even make a little wager. Whomever places higher than the other, the loser must retire his account.

  I accept your challenge.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

As for the chest, delts and arms, that is a different debate and Dorian's arms and delts actually look better than Ronnie's from many angles and poses.

nukka please! That's just crazy talk.

I already pointed out that there's one guys who agrees that Ronnie's conditioning at the 2001 ASC was the best of all times; my point of contention being that there are far more of those who think Dorian was the best of all times in this category.

who exactly are these guys you speak of? I want to see the quotes and sources. It's easy to say "well, lots of people agree with me" but harder to back it up.

[suckmymuscle]

More mangling of the english language. WTF? 
Stick to pics, you can't communicate effectively..here...

  Hey, dumbass, put my quote into context. Dorian has as little bodyfat and water as Ronnie, and yet has less defined muscles, which proves my point that subcutaneous fat and water are not the only factors involved in muscular definition. Idiot.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Classic. Poorly worded, clumsy, confusing, contorted. The musings of a mental patient.

  I would love to read what you have written to judge it, Pumpy, but unfortunately your posts are composed of nothing more than posting the same 3 or 4 piocs and wrinting a sentence from Sergio oliva that was written by some journalist in a mag.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  Seminole, I won't reply to any more posts from you until you reply to this question:

  "Do you still maintain, that each and every single person in the World, at the exact same amount of subcutaneous fat and water, will have the exact same amount of muscular separations?"

  SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Does Ronnie look more defined? Yes. Does he look harder? No.

you hear that folks? Suckmyasshole thinks Dorian looks harder in these pics. In reality, he looks a few weeks out from a contest.

[NeoSeminole]

It is a meltdown because you gave my criticism enough importance to actually post a pic to have others validate your physique for you. I got an emotional response reaction from you, which is exactly what I wanted.

I didn't post my pic here expecting others to validate my physique. So you are wrong there. I posted it to let them decide if I looked that bad for themselves. Now whether they compliment me or not is entirely up to them. They could have not said anything and I would have been just fine.

I accept your challenge.

you will regret this.