Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

Monster unsuccessful deflections of...

good one.

bc comparing a 6 time winner and someone who never placed at a pro show is a good idea.

did a power rod snap and hit you in the head?

like previously mentioned, if yates was not white, he'd be your favorite all time bber.

[Hulkster]

bc comparing a 6 time winner and someone who never placed at a pro show is a good idea.

its a great idea. It shows exactly how bad the judging was in some of dorian's post tear years.

[NeoSeminole]

Why? Explain why Ronnie's supposedly superior pectoralis, deltoids and arms would work for him better against Dorian? Start with th3e symmetry round and then move on to the mandatories. I have already written extensively about this topic, so tehre's no need for me to go there again.

you answered your own question. If Ronnie has superior pecs, delts and arms, wouldn't that mean they are better than Dorian's?

Peter McGough is one of them. He said in a FLEX editorial entitled "Dorian's Delicate Conditioning", from a 2005 issue, that:

"No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."

John Montana, commenting about the 1997 Olympia in 2003, remarked that Dorian looked awful with his distended gut and torn triceps, but that he still brought his trade-marked conditioning to the table, which he refered to as the best of all times.

so you have 2 relevant sources. I also have 2 sources that refer to Ronnie's conditioning as the best of all-time.



Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

[tleilaxutank]

you answered your own question. If Ronnie has superior pecs, delts and arms, wouldn't that mean they are better than Dorian's?

so you have 2 relevant sources. I also have 2 sources that refer to Ronnie's conditioning as the best of all-time.



Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Haha, well if Flex said it...you can take that shit to the bank, haha 




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[NeoSeminole]

Yea, Dorian is harder while Ronnie is more defined. We don't know if one or the other had the lowest subcutaenous fat and water in that area, but I think that Dorian as alittle bodyfat and his stony look is evidence that he also has less subcutaneous water, too.

you can't be serious. I know you are just saying that to save face. There's no way in hell you can honestly tell me that Dorian looks "harder" in these pics than Ronnie.

You can use the bodyfat distribution argument when it comes to spefcific bodyparts, but not when it comes o the entire body.And since Dorian was at 3% bodyfat and dehydrated, and yet was less separated overral than Ronnie, then subcutaneous bodyfat and water cannot explain the difference in definition between the two. Game over.

we don't know for sure that Dorian was 3% body fat with 0 water. You're basing your assessment off what magazine writers said. I'm telling you right now they are most likely wrong. They are journalists - NOT exercise physiologists. When I look at 01 ASC Ronnie, I see all the tell-tale signs of better conditioning.

[NeoSeminole]

It shows that you're not confident about your physique and that my comment affected you, so you needed others to validate it for you. If you were  confident, you would have laughed it off.

what are you talking about? I already told you I didn't post my pics for approval. So how was I seeking validation from others to make me feel better? Your comment makes no sense.

[pumpster]

Still waiting for dweebs SUCKY or Icecold to present their cannons. Don't be shy girlz..

[NeoSeminole]

No, you said that, if they were both at 3% bodyfat and had 0 subcutaneous water, then it would be true. That is irrelevant, becasue if subcutaneous bodyfat and water are two sole facors responsisble for muscular separations, then all individuals should show the exact same amount of separartions at the exact same amount of subcutaneous bodyfat and water. That is, any two guys at 3, 4, 5, 6, 7%, etc, bodyfat would need to be just as separated. In conclusion, the two variables should always produce an exact amount of separations on all people when equalized. This si called the double-blinf placebo method.

I said 2 bodybuilders will demonstrate the same level of overall definition when they have equal body fat and water levels, carry the same lean mass, and are the same height.

Well, here is where I prove you wrong. Dorian at the 1993 or 1995 Olympia was at 3% bodyfat and dehydrated. You can't use either his subcutaneous bodyfat or water as excuses, because Dorian was as low in subcutaneous fat and water as is humanly possible, and yet Coleman was more separated than Dorian overral. Dorian should have at least as much if not more separations than the 1998 or 1999 versions of Coleman for you to be right, but the truthis that Dorian has less. Conclusion: there are factors other than subcutaneous fat and water which determine how defined a muscle looks.

you haven't proven anyone wrong b/c your assessment is based on the personal conjecture of magazine writers. Unless you can post a document with the results of Dorian's hydrostatic weighing, your argument is as valid as me saying "Ronnie carried even less fat and water than Dorian."

[realkarateblackbelt]

hahaha I love the way gloryhole and Dumpster take a carefuly written detailed post and respond with some lame 1 sentence retort with no depth at all, or better yet post more pics of Ronnie Coleman's biceps. Where do these clowns come from? haha.

[pumpster]

hahaha I love the way gloryhole and Dumpster take a carefuly written detailed post and respond with some lame 1 sentence retort with no depth at all, or better yet post more pics of Ronnie Coleman's biceps. Where do these clowns come from? haha.

Meanwhile your posts reflect clear obsessiveness with us bwhahahaahahahahahah

[realkarateblackbelt]

At least you don't deny it. Honesty is a virtue.

[NeoSeminole]

Sure Gloryhole. Anymore pics displaying Ronnie's superior biceps? I agree Ronnie has the aesthetics of a gun, but I think a cannonball would be a more accurate comparison. Every flaw Dorian had, Ronnie amplified. He had a gut x2. Dorian had a gut no doubt, but only on Ronnie is it noticeable from the front as well as the side.
The grotesque stomach makes Ronnie look like shit from the front, thus nullifying the effect of his superior biceps.

aww, did I hurt your feelings with my post? I posted comparisons of both at their primes displaying Ronnie's superior biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, quads, and taper. Yeah, I only showed pics of Ronnie's superior biceps all right.

I find it amusing that you think Ronnie has the aesthetics of a gun. What does that make Dorian then? A pile of shit? You're clearly a delusional idiot who probably masturbates to a poster of Dorian hanging above your bed every night. Dorian's gut was just as bad as Ronnie's, except Ronnie had the extra mass to compensate for it. You are also wrong about Dorian's gut not being noticeable from the front.

Notice, everyone that post a pic always says, "this was a long time a go, I'm bigger now..." In other words, you know you look like shit, and are attempting to deflate some of the insults you know are coming. Psych101.

I didn't say that pic was taken a long time ago, dumb ass. Learn to read. Don't bother trying to pull some lame semantics bullshit like "I never directly accused you of saying that." You clearly insinuated it with your comment. I don't think I look like shit in the pic and I certainly wasn't making excuses. I was simply telling the truth. That pic of me was taken a year ago. I'm bigger now than I was back then. It's called progress.

[realkarateblackbelt]

What constitutes "a long time ago" is a matter of opinion.

I find it odd that every single time someone post a pic it's always old, and now they are bigger.

hahaha.

This is always the case.

I think if I was going to post a pic I would break out the camera and take a recent one displaying my ungodly progress.

And don't get me started on the pics you post of Dorian OFFSEASON compared to the pic I posted of Ronnie displaying all the aesthetics of a toad post contest. Put any FDB pic up, and withouth fail Ronnie's stomach sticks out farther than his chest! FROM THE FRONT!!!! Yates, despite his lesser gut, is pulling a slight vaccum in some pictures of this pose. You are in denial or a racist like Dumpster. Congratulations!

[NeoSeminole]

I think if I was going to post a pic I would break out the camera and take a recent one displaying my ungodly progress.

that pic was taken a few weeks before my last bodybuilding competition. I'm currently dieting after bulking up. So I'm admittedly not in the same condition that I was in the pic, but I'm not that far off either. I'm also not as tan.

And don't get me started on the pics you post of Dorian OFFSEASON compared to the pic I posted of Ronnie displaying all the aesthetics of a toad post contest.

what offseason pics? All the shots I posted are from the Mr. Olympia.

Put any FDB pic up, and withouth fail Ronnie's stomach sticks out farther than his chest! FROM THE FRONT!!!! Yates, despite his lesser gut, is pulling a slight vaccum in some pictures of this pose. You are in denial or a racist like Dumpster. Congratulations!

here are some pics of Ronnie hitting a front double biceps without his stomach sticking out farther than his chest.

[IceCold]

its a great idea. It shows exactly how bad the judging was in some of dorian's post tear years.

my point was that they are totally different.

yates waist is a bit wide in that pic, but kovacs is not in shape and totally unproportioned with his arms and legs, waist, etc. 

[pumpster]

my point was that they are totally different.

yates waist is a bit wide in that pic, but kovacs is not in shape and totally unproportioned with his arms and legs, waist, etc. 

Who knows what your points are, every one of your posts is utter confusion.

[IceCold]

Who knows what your points are, every one of your posts is utter confusion.

still avoiding being called out?

what else is new.

[RocketSwitch625]

Monster unsuccessful deflections of...

How you can keep comparing Yates to Kovaks is beyond me. Kovaks looks like an egg on legs. Your posts are fucking stupid every time.

[Hulkster]

How you can keep comparing Yates to Kovaks is beyond me

maybe if you actually looked at the similarities between 96/97 dorian and Greg you might understand...

[pobrecito]

maybe if you actually looked at the similarities between 96/97 dorian and Greg you might understand...

doesn't matter.

Ronnie is destroyed on anything other than a most-muscular.

[pumpster]

How you can keep comparing Yates to Kovaks is beyond me. Kovaks looks like an egg on legs.

E-Z, thanks to Dorian "the keg" Yates

[NeoSeminole]

E-Z, thanks to Dorian "the keg" Yates

[pumpster]

More in the continuing series "the keg a retrospective".

[Hulkster]

doesn't matter.

Ronnie is destroyed on anything other than a most-muscular.

sure he is

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie wins the:

front double biceps



front lat spread



side chest



most muscular