this is what I mean about the Dorian nuthuggers letting their personal bias obfuscate them to the judging criteria. Where does it say the traps outweigh everything else in the back poses? Last time I checked, the criteria asks for a well-balanced physique with full muscle bellies and a small waist. Both Dorian and Ronnie have balance issues. Dorian's arms are too small for his torso while Ronnie's calves are overpowered by his quads. So neither has an advantage in the symmetry department. Dorian's back looks denser and more detailed. However, Ronnie's is fuller and has better taper. The discussion boils down to personal preference. It would be ignorant of me to say one strength outweighs another.