Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Mussolini said that I owned you, and he is impartial in this thread. Oliver Klaushof also said that I owned you, and while he prefers Dorian, he posted very little in this thread and couldnīt care less either way.

post where they said you owned me. Until then, you're lying out of your ass.

Ugh...where am I lying? This is exactly what I meant: that Dorian doesenīt need having a bigger triceps, delts, etc than Ronnie because he makes his work best for him when it counts. The perfect example is the triceps. Dorianīs overral triceps are smaller than Ronnieīs, but it doesenīt matter, because Dorianīs triceps look superior to Ronnieīs in the side triceps pose. Whatīs the point of having bigger triceps if theylook inferior where it counts? That]s my point, which you donīt seem to comprehend.

ha ha ha, man you are pretty retarded. You said Ronnie has bigger triceps yet loses the side triceps due to them. I said that Dorian wins this pose b/c he presents an overall better package. My comment has nothing to do with triceps. We are talking about 2 different things here. So how can I agree with you?

The lats are the primary muscle displayed in the front lat spread, and represents a much greater amount of muscle mass than the biceps is in hte back double biceps. Displaying the biceps takes a back seat to the huge back muscles that are displayed in the back double biceps, but the lats in the front lat spread represents the muscles. So poor analogy once again. It is like comparing apples and oranges

the difference between Dorian's and Ronnie's lats in the front lat spread is less than the difference between their arms in the front and back double biceps. Also, there is more to the pose than just lats. Ronnie has Dorian beat in arms, delts, traps, pecs, quads, and taper. So how can Dorian win the front lat spread when the overwhelming majority of his physique is less impressive than Ronnie's?

You are far more of a Ronnie guy than I ever was of Dorian, so donīt play saint in this thread.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA HA

You have already said that the 2003 version of Coleman would defeat Sergio Oliva, for fuck sake! That would already be nut-hugging if you said that about the 1998 version of Ronnie defeating Oliva, but saying that about the preganant bitch that was Coleman in 2003 is laughable, and exposes you for the spooge-sucker that you truly are.

holy shit, I think I busted a gut from laughing too hard at your stupidity. Sergio is my fav. bodybuilder of all-time, you dumb c*nt. Ronnie is like 3rd or 4th on my list. How can I be a Ronnie "spooge-sucker" when I like Sergio more? Unlike you, I know the difference between what I like and what actually wins contests.

I have already stated that I couldnīt care less about quotes, so I donīt get why you keep bringing it up. To be honest with you, I donīt give a flying fuck about what you think. I posted the McGough quote and tyold you exactly from what year it was, and even the name of the editorial. I posted that quote to counter your argument that McGough had said that Coleman was the hardest ever, and that is goof enough for me.

suck on this.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Dorian Yates - Radio Interview

"the judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

[NeoSeminole]

No, the criteria is subcutaneous fat and water.

wrong. Dorian was never measured using hydrostatic weighing. So we don't know what his actual subcutaneous fat and water levels were. The best we can do is guess based on visible clues (e.g. separations, striations, cheek bones, etc). Using the aforementioned criteria, 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

[NeoSeminole]

dorian was no different genius:

oh shit, the ownage continues!

[Iceman1981]

95 yates/99 Ronnie

Here is a comparison of the 2. This comparison is way better than the other comparison that was made earlier. As you can clearly see, Ronnie has thicker/bigger lats and back.  Just look at the muscle hanging. 99' Ronnie beats any version of yates. Say what you want, but I call em' like I see it.

[pobrecito]

That's not even close to scaled properly....nevertheless, Yates' back is still superior.

For a proper comparison, the competitor needs to be the same distance from the camera in each shot....Yates is clearly farther away. Secondly, Coleman's clavicles are not wider than those of Yates, yet another error in scaling.

This is the one conclusive picture in this entire thread:

[NeoSeminole]

03 Ronnie >>> any version of Dorian

[suckmymuscle]

bwahahahaha, Suckmymuscle thinks body fat percentage is the % of fat to lean muscle mass.

edit: I forgot to include "muscle" in lean mass.

  I tried replying to this earlier, but the board was down.

  No, what I'm saying is that you have done nothing to prove that either stature or lean body mass are factors in muscle definition. If a guy with te same lean mass as another is taller, then he will have less muscle separations because the % of bodyfat to lean muscle increases, not because he is taller: as long as the proportion of lean muscle to fat remain the same, then differences in either body mass or stature between idividuals is irrelevant.                            

  Furthermore, it is irrelevant even if we're arguing about bodyfat % in relation to the whole body. Two guys with the same lean mass, but different heights, will be roughly as separated. Why? Because while the taller guy will have a greater bodyfat % in relation to his lean mass, he will also have more surface area to spread his fat, which means that the thickness of his subcutaeous fat layer will be roughly the same as that of the shorter guy.

  The same goes for two guys of the same height but with different lean masses, with the same overral bodyfat %. They will have the same amount of separations because the guy with the greater muscle size will have more bodyfat, yes, but also more spread out, thus being equivalent in separations. If the guy is both taller and has more lean muscle mass - far more likely-, then he could actually have more definition despite carrying much more subcutaneous bodyfat. So both differences in lean mass and stature are irrelevant, because the overral bodyfat % will always correlate roughly with fat to muscle ratio. In either case, your argument is retarded and I have owned you yet again.

  Seminole, can I give you some advice? Instead of arguing with me, your intellectual superior, why don't you concentrate more on replying to the posts of others who are more on your level? Or why don't you go "workout" with Pumpy on his Bowflex? You know, he could do squats naked  while you spotted him from the floor, or maybe the way around...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

That's not even close to scaled properly....nevertheless, Yates' back is still superior.

To repeat, does it bother you that what you post is completely the opposite of the pics? LOL

[pumpster]

Or why don't you go "workout" with Pumpy on his Bowflex? You know, he could do squats naked  while you spotted him from the floor, or maybe the way around...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

He's basically sharing with us what he's been fantasizing about. Too much information my little bone smuggler.

[pobrecito]

To repeat, does it bother you that what you post is completely the opposite of the pics? LOL

Does it bother you that you are a racist?

[pumpster]

Does it bother you that you are a racist?

I think you're losing it, considering the number of posts that have nothing to do with reality.

Focus pubes, focus on this pic & thread, not me. Yates getting his ass handed to him. I understand your humiliation...

The scaling is close enough..YATES OWNED-from the back, where he's strongest.

[NeoSeminole]

No, what I'm saying is that you have done nothing to prove that either stature or lean body mass are factors in muscle definition. If a guy with te same lean mass as another is taller, then he will have less muscle separations because the % of bodyfat to lean muscle increases, not because he is taller: as long as the proportion of lean muscle to fat remain the same, then differences in either body mass or stature between idividuals is irrelevant.

I'm not talking about lean muscle to fat ratio. I said 2 guys with the same body fat % and water levels with exhibit the same definition if they are the same height and carry the same amount of muscle. I didn't bother to read the rest of your post b/c you went off on a tangent.

[pobrecito]

I think you're losing it, considering the number of posts that have nothing to do with reality.

Focus pubes, focus on this pic & thread, not me. Yates getting his ass handed to him. I understand your humiliation...

The scaling is close enough..YATES OWNED-from the back, where he's strongest.

Your tactics are childish....you like this thread as you enjoy attempting to degrade and humiliate people. This can only point to one conclusion: you have been humiliated or you have not been successful in your life.

Pitiful.

[pumpster]

Your tactics are childish....you like this thread as you enjoy attempting to degrade and humiliate people. This can only point to one conclusion: you have been humiliated or you have not been successful in your life.

Pitiful.

The personal stuff you always resort to doesn't say a whole lot good about ya, pubes.

Same applies to your juvenile deliquent buddy/skinhead icecold. Truly childlike & desperate, BOTH of you.

[pobrecito]

The personal stuff you always resort to doesn't say a whole lot good about ya, pubes.

Same applies to your juvenile deliquent buddy/skinhead icecold. Truly childlike & desperate, BOTH of you.

It's expected that you won't admit your psychological disorder. You are either unaware of it, or in complete denial. But I've seen behavior like this over and over again. It's not hard to point out.

[pumpster]

It's expected that you won't admit your psychological disorder. You are either unaware of it, or in complete denial. But I've seen behavior like this over and over again. It's not hard to point out.

Right genius, you who obsesses on me personally, not the reverse. Your personal attacks speak volumes about your character actually, but you never realize it.

[pobrecito]

Right genius, you who obsesses on me. You're completely normal.

Not an obsession, merely an inquiry into your behavior as it pertains to this thread. I actually think you are a good member, you have experience in the sport, and good advice to give. But your obsessive and unrelenting abnormal behavior in this thread has ultimately lead me to this becuase it is affecting how I post. I don't like being in a pissing match, but that is essentially what you have turned this thread into. It's unfortunate Ron doesn't have an ignore feature on this forum.

[pumpster]

Not an obsession, merely an inquiry into your behavior as it pertains to this thread. I actually think you are a good member, you have experience in the sport, and good advice to give. But your obsessive and unrelenting abnormal behavior in this thread has ultimately lead me to this becuase it is affecting how I post. I don't like being in a pissing match, but that is essentially what you have turned this thread into. It's unfortunate Ron doesn't have an ignore feature on this forum.

Dude be smart just once and stick to the gist of the thread. You have made it personal over & over again, and like it or not, it speaks volumes about YOU. Including the trolling on the training board-you must be very proud of that and what it says about YOU, not me.

Besides which it ain't workin-I could never take someone so filled with hate seriously. If you, icecold or SUCKY were genuinely bright you guys would've figured out months ago that none of that stuff's having any effect. hahahaahahahah

Move on, hater. LOL

[pobrecito]

Dude be smart just once and stick to the gist of the thread. You have made it personal over & over again, and like it or not, it speaks volumes about YOU.

Besides which it ain't workin-I could never take someone so filled with hate seriously.

Move on, hater. LOL

Again, the internal denial on your part is so obvious it is almost beaming through my screen. You should seriously consider getting some professional help, I would hate for you to actually be acting like this in real life...

[pumpster]

Again, the internal denial on your part is so obvious it is almost beaming through my screen. You should seriously consider getting some professional help, I would hate for you to actually be acting like this in real life...

Move on, and forget about me-your hatred is blinding you, not me. The thread genius, the thread..stop making it personal.

Speaking of childish, PM SUCKY and get him to post more bowflex pics they're sooo funny and witty, like you two. Hurry

Something tells me that you didn't finish high school just like icecold thus the anger and incredibly stupid assumptions about racism, where i work out, etc. Farcical. But i digress..

[pumpster]

95 yates/99 Ronnie

Here is a comparison of the 2. This comparison is way better than the other comparison that was made earlier. As you can clearly see, Ronnie has thicker/bigger lats and back.  Just look at the muscle hanging. 99' Ronnie beats any version of yates. Say what you want, but I call em' like I see it.

EXCELLENT WORK. YATES OWNED FROM THE BACK WHERE HE'S STRONGEST. YATES LOSES ON EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA, EVEN SEPARATION. HE'S COMPLETELY SHREDDED, YATES ISN'T DESPITE BEING SMALLER. NUFF SAID.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Dorian Yates - Radio Interview

"the judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

hahaha. How could they do that when they chose Yates over Ronnie in direct competition every single time? Bwhahaha

[pumpster]

hahaha. How could they do that when they chose Yates over Ronnie in direct competition every single time? Bwhahaha

Silly Yates should've known that realkarate who absolutely *no one* on the NY Pro board thought made any sense knows more..

[realkarateblackbelt]

suck on this.

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

hahaha The "brothers" always stick together.

It's funny though, they had a feature in MD with Victor and Cormier training back and they both said Dorian had the best back ever. Cormier said, and I'm paraphrasing, "Dorian had the kind of back you can lose your hand in." So as you can see, you can pull any quote out of your ass supporting any viewpoint. It's irrelevant really as bodybuilders probably aren't the sharpest bunch.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Silly Yates should've known that realkarate who absolutely *no one* on the NY Pro board thought made any sense knows more..

Yes, everyone on the New York pro thread bowed out. "Chaos" admitted he knows not to argue with me. It's pretty obvious why Branch won; he won the same reason Yates won time and time again. Yates and Branch present a package of ungodly muscular development combined with fantastic definition. Real fans like me, Suckmymuscle, Icecold, and Pabro know bodybuilding is about big muscles; lines are important, but they are secondary. You metrosexuals that obsess over "lines" and "shape" have strayed too from from the original idea of body(building). And the sad thing is, Coleman lost whatever shape he ever had by trying to match the precedent set by Dorian.

There's no hope for you Dumpster. You're too far gone.