Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

This pic says volumes about "fair" judging in the 90s when several deserving BBs were cheated:

[Hulkster]

the thing is, we have all seen how bad Ronnie looked in some years and guess what? he was scored down and even lost a few contests.

problem is, dorian looked just as bad if not worse over better competition and yet still recieved perfect scores as if every year was 1993..

and IceCold refuses to see the glaring problem with this..

[pobrecito]

the thing is, we have all seen how bad Ronnie looked in some years and guess what? he was scored down and even lost a few contests.

problem is, dorian looked just as bad if not worse over better competition and yet still recieved perfect scores as if every year was 1993..

and IceCold refuses to see the glaring problem with this..

Glad to see you have to justify why Ronnie looked like piece of monkey feces LOL.

[Hulkster]

Glad to see you have to justify why Ronnie looked like piece of monkey feces LOL.

thats because I am not biased.

this looks like garbage, whether you are a dorian fan or not, it should be obvious:

[Iceman1981]

At Dorian's very best, pre-tear, I truly think his arms were just fine. Watching his posing routine for 93, nothing struck out as out of proportion, or as having arms too small. Sure, they aren't Ronnie arms, but what about Ronnie's calves?

The third pic of yates looks good.

[pumpster]

Gyno

[pumpster]

Quote from: pobrecito on May 22, 2007, 10:38:50 PM
At Dorian's very best, pre-tear, I truly think his arms were just fine. Watching his posing routine for 93, nothing struck out as out of proportion, or as having arms too small. Sure, they aren't Ronnie arms, but what about Ronnie's calves?

If you say it over and over again, you can start believing a lot. These arms aren't in proportion to a huge torso. Tris aren't any bigger than mediocre bis.

[pumpster]

All it takes is standing beside someone better than him to see Yates' bi/tri proportional deficiency relative to torso:

[pumpster]

Again, Yates arm noticably deficient in comparison with someone better:

[delta9mda]

Gyno

there is no gyno on yates. stop reaching

[pumpster]

there is no gyno on yates. stop reaching

Go back in your cave and come back in 40 pages.

[IceCold]

Again, Yates arm noticably deficient in comparison with someone better:

when will you realize its not the mr. olympia/best arms contest. 

[IceCold]

This pic says volumes about "fair" judging in the 90s when several deserving BBs were cheated:

nice pic.

what's yates in that pic 5'4?

before, you make some BS remark, you do the exact samething for ronnie.

[IceCold]

sure, thanks to flawed judging...

Icehole, do REALLY believe that POST TEAR dorian should have been as dominant as he was:?

and don't give me all  that "he was the biggest and best conditioned onstage" crap.

let me tell you something, if this is the 'best conditioned onstage' then you are watching a sumo wrestling match...

yes,

94 - even with the tear, he still deserved to win.  again, its not an arm contest

95 was possibly his best year.

96- yates was a bit flat, but no one came into ko him - that old cliche saying - even in 01- i guess its true

97- even though yates waist was bigger than normal, still the clear winner - just ask nasser and pete mcgough.

pumpster, you've referenced PM countless times about his back comment with ronnie, now you're not going to agree with him, bc he is english and supports another english white bber?




maybe you should watch the actual videos of the olympias from 92-97.

instead of basing your entire opinion on 1 set of shittty photos that arent even that accurate.

then you'll see what the judges, other competitors, and everyone else already knows - he deserved to win - once ALL angles and poses are considered.

i know that's a lame excuse, but seriously, dorian looks like he's 5'3 in those pics.

refer to the other pic that is scaled for the side chest against levrone.

at least that's more accurate - even if yates looses that pose. 

its not a contest based on who has the best arms or most muscular pose.

even with those critera, ronnie would not have won.  dillet, priest, etc. have better arms than ronnie.

[pumpster]

yes,

94 - even with the tear, he still deserved to win.  again, its not an arm contest

95 was possibly his best year.

96- yates was a bit flat, but no one came into ko him - that old cliche saying - even in 01- i guess its true

97- even though yates waist was bigger than normal, still the clear winner - just ask nasser and pete mcgough.

pumpster, you've referenced PM countless times about his back comment with ronnie, now you're not going to agree with him, bc he is english and supports another english white bber?




maybe you should watch the actual videos of the olympias from 92-97.

instead of basing your entire opinion on 1 set of shittty photos that arent even that accurate.

then you'll see what the judges, other competitors, and everyone else already knows - he deserved to win - once ALL angles and poses are considered.

i know that's a lame excuse, but seriously, dorian looks like he's 5'3 in those pics.

refer to the other pic that is scaled for the side chest against levrone.

at least that's more accurate - even if yates looses that pose. 

its not a contest based on who has the best arms or most muscular pose.

even with those critera, ronnie would not have won.  dillet, priest, etc. have better arms than ronnie.

Right, Yates looks much more impressive in the other 35 or so comparisons in which he's 3rd LOL

He should still be thanking uncle Joe for the gifts.

[IceCold]

Right, Yates looks much more impressive in the other 35 or so comparisons in which he's 3rd LOL

He should still be thanking uncle Joe for the gifts.

3rd according to you.

and you are.............

exactly. 

[suckmymuscle]

I'm not talking about lean muscle to fat ratio. I said 2 guys with the same body fat % and water levels with exhibit the same definition if they are the same height and carry the same amount of muscle. I didn't bother to read the rest of your post b/c you went off on a tangent.

  Height and amount of muscle is irrelevant. Get it? Two guys with different heights and lean muscle mass will be roughly as separated.

  Stature and muscle mass are irrelevant in separations!

  If a guy is, as an example, 200 lbs at 3% bodyfat, he will be equally as separated as a guy who's 7' and 300 lbs at 3% bodyfat. Their subcutaneous fat will be the same in thickness! Why do you keep insisting like a retard that you are right when I have already demonstrated that you're wrong?

  And how did I go on a tangent It is you who keeps avoiding the reality that you claimed bodyfat and water are the only factors in separations, changing the subject all the time to asking how to measure conditioning then!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

post where they said you owned me. Until then, you're lying out of your ass.

  I could do better than that. I could have them post here saying that they did. You are delusional if you think I'm going back 1000+ pages searching for that.

ha ha ha, man you are pretty retarded. You said Ronnie has bigger triceps yet loses the side triceps due to them. I said that Dorian wins this pose b/c he presents an overall better package. My comment has nothing to do with triceps. We are talking about 2 different things here. So how can I agree with you?

  You are the retard, because I claimed that Dorian wins the side triceps pose despite having smaller triceps. What does this mean? It means that Dorian wins the side triceps because his supposedly inferior muscles work better for him when it counts - mandatory and relaxed rounds. What does this mean? That he has the best overral package! It is the same thing! Dorian has smaller biceps, delts, triceps, etc, than Ronnie, and yet his lesser muscles look better when it counts.

the difference between Dorian's and Ronnie's lats in the front lat spread is less than the difference between their arms in the front and back double biceps. Also, there is more to the pose than just lats.

  I disagree. I think that the lats are far more important than the arms. Which has more muscle mass?

Ronnie has Dorian beat in arms, delts, traps, pecs, quads, and taper. So how can Dorian win the front lat spread when the overwhelming majority of his physique is less impressive than Ronnie's?

  See what I mean? Dorian wins the side triceps, side chest, the front lat spread, back lat spread and back double biceps despite all this. Why? Because, to use your expression, he has the best overral package. Dorian has smaller biceps, delts and quads than Ronnie, and yet he wins the front lat spread, abs-and-thighs and back double biceps.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  I wouldn't be laughing if I had such a shitty physique like yours.

holy shit, I think I busted a gut from laughing too hard at your stupidity. Sergio is my fav. bodybuilder of all-time, you dumb c*nt. Ronnie is like 3rd or 4th on my list. How can I be a Ronnie "spooge-sucker" when I like Sergio more? Unlike you, I know the difference between what I like and what actually wins contests.

  And yet, you did say that Ronnie in his 2003 Olympia would defeat Sergio, you dumb fuck. You said it at another thread.

suck on this.

  Oh, he's getting faisty. Just like he did when I called his mom a dumb #### around page 350 and he reported me to the mods like the little bitch that he is.

  This is the only quote that counts:

  "No man has ever been as hard and dry as the manb who won six Sandows." Peter McGough, FLEX Magazine.

  So despite not being as separated as Ronnie, McGough thinks that Dorian is harder. What doi you have to say, Cuban creolle whore?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pobrecito]

You get 'em Sucky!

[suckmymuscle]

wrong. Dorian was never measured using hydrostatic weighing. So we don't know what his actual subcutaneous fat and water levels were. The best we can do is guess based on visible clues (e.g. separations, striations, cheek bones, etc). Using the aforementioned criteria, 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

  Don't change the subject! You argued that separations and bodyfat with water correlate perfectly with separations. This is impossible, because Ronnie in his 1998 Olympia version was far more separated than Dorian in his 1993 and 1995 version. He was more separated in the back, the quads and pecs. Dorian was extremely low in bodyfat and water, so it is not possible that the massive difference in separations between the two was due to Ronnie having lower bodyfat and water. They were roughly equivalent and Dorian was probably lower.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Qoutes count for shit, hope this helps.

  Tell that to Sperm! He's the one who posted several quotes to support his idiotic hypothesis.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[IceCold]

Qoutes count for shit, hope this helps.

and what does?

your opinion?

or someone who wont even go to a gym.   

[IceCold]

None of our opinions do either. Pictures prove it. If you think Dorian is better, good for you.

but people have different interpretations of those pictures.

qualified people's opinions matter more than ordinary people.

example?

look at any sports analyst - they are all guys who played in the league - not some mo who wont even go to a gym or have even played the sport.

that's the difference. 

[Hulkster]

but people have different interpretations of those pictures.

qualified people's opinions matter more than ordinary people.

example?

look at any sports analyst - they are all guys who played in the league - not some mo who wont even go to a gym or have even played the sport.

that's the difference. 

what garbage .

any judge who thinks this deserved PERFECT scores over the best of the 90's is not qualifed.

that is not the right word.

they are biased and are doing as they are told in order to collect a pay cheque:

[Hulkster]

What makes you think a schmoe like Peter mcshit knows more than you or hulkster? He's just another guy admiring other guys muscles.

exactly. this has been brought up before but the dorian side is too stupid to understand the logic.

according to the dorian side, in order for us to say that dorian looked like garbage post tear, we need a PhD in "judging"

 

otherwise we are wrong, apparently...