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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28600 on: May 23, 2007, 03:28:15 PM »
again, poses dont determine the winner.

besides, dorian's chest is fine.

no gyno.







flex wheeler disagrees with you.



jesus christ! now poses don't determine the winner?

there is another one to add to the now massive list folks.

According to the dorian side, the following things do not matter in a bodybuilding contest:

-striations
-arms
-taper
-vascularity
-poses.

 ::)

You take all that out of a bodybuilding contest and what are you left with?

an empty fucking stage. :-\

Why can you not admit that dorian never deserved to be as dominant as he was post 94?

why make up all this bullshit to somehow justify an impossible argument?

its really getting stupid..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28601 on: May 23, 2007, 03:28:32 PM »
What makes you think a schmoe like Peter mcshit knows more than you or hulkster? He's just another guy admiring other guys muscles.

that wont stop dumpster from posting the quote of peter about ronnie's back.  
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28602 on: May 23, 2007, 03:31:54 PM »
jesus christ! now poses don't determine the winner?

there is another one to add to the now massive list folks.

According to the dorian side, the following things do not matter in a bodybuilding contest:

-striations
-arms
-taper
-vascularity
-poses.

 ::)


 ::)


you dont understand that IS NOT THE ONLY CRITERIA.

you've only listed qualitites that ronnie has.

but, you still are in denial that ronnie had those EVERY YEAR YATES CRUSHED HIM.

what was differnt after 97?

ronnie was fuller and in better condition.

yates set the standard (and it still is his) for size and conditioning.

see the similarity?

yates wins bc he's the biggest and in the best shape, ronnie wins bc of the same f'n thing. 

contest results prove your stupid theories to be totally retarted. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28603 on: May 23, 2007, 03:35:06 PM »
cheque:


do you mean CHECK?

LMAO.

this isnt canada.

speak english. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28604 on: May 23, 2007, 03:46:08 PM »
Better MM than Ronnie, therefore, he should beat Ronnie




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28605 on: May 23, 2007, 03:51:06 PM »
Better MM than Ronnie, therefore, he should beat Ronnie





many people do.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28606 on: May 23, 2007, 04:15:28 PM »
oh please.. ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28607 on: May 23, 2007, 04:17:10 PM »
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yates wins bc he's the biggest and in the best shape

this might have been the biggest, but no where near the best shape or the best quality in most of the post 94 contests:

so what is your excuse now?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28608 on: May 23, 2007, 04:19:43 PM »
its amazing how stupid people can be... ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28609 on: May 23, 2007, 06:12:16 PM »
that wont stop dumpster from posting the quote of peter about ronnie's back.  

Mcgough's name initially came up because of the reverence accorded his opinions by Yates ballwashers, you idiot.

Mcgough, who said that Coleman's BACK AND ENTIRE PHSYIQUE WERE "BEST EVER"  ;D
 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28610 on: May 23, 2007, 06:13:16 PM »
Better MM than Ronnie, therefore, he should beat Ronnie



You never get it right; it's not better by any stretch of the imagination.

However, he DOMINATES Yates hahahahahahahaha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28611 on: May 23, 2007, 06:56:52 PM »
You never get it right; it's not better by any stretch of the imagination.

However, he DOMINATES Yates hahahahahahahaha

very true in that pose.

dorian never had the shape to look really good in a most muscular.

the arm/delt/pec/quad shape just were not there, at least compared to guys like Ronnie and Flex.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28612 on: May 23, 2007, 09:25:09 PM »
Height and amount of muscle is irrelevant. Get it? Two guys with different heights and lean muscle mass will be roughly as separated.

ha ha ha, wtf are you talking about?

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If a guy is, as an example, 200 lbs at 3% bodyfat, he will be equally as separated as a guy who's 7' and 300 lbs at 3% bodyfat. Their subcutaneous fat will be the same in thickness! Why do you keep insisting like a retard that you are right when I have already demonstrated that you're wrong?

wow, you really are dumb as shit. You asked me if 2 guys with the same body fat % will demonstrate the same level of separations. I responded "yes, if they are both the same height and carry the same lean mass." So why are you going off on a tangent about one guy weighing 200 lbs while another weighs 300 lbs?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28613 on: May 23, 2007, 09:28:12 PM »
You are a moron if you think 2 people of identical height and weight at the same bodyfat and subQ water levels will show the same levels of separations. Separations are genetic.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28614 on: May 23, 2007, 09:41:28 PM »
I could do better than that. I could have them post here saying that they did. You are delusional if you think I'm going back 1000+ pages searching for that.

if you let 10 unbiased people read our dialogue, I guarantee you that all of them would disagree you owned me. The 2 individuals you speak of seemed overly eager in their attempts to spite me. I take what they say with a grain of salt.

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You are the retard, because I claimed that Dorian wins the side triceps pose despite having smaller triceps. What does this mean? It means that Dorian wins the side triceps because his supposedly inferior muscles work better for him when it counts - mandatory and relaxed rounds. What does this mean? That he has the best overral package! It is the same thing! Dorian has smaller biceps, delts, triceps, etc, than Ronnie, and yet his lesser muscles look better when it counts.

no, that's not what you said. I'll let you go back and re-read your post to let it sink in.

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See what I mean? Dorian wins the side triceps, side chest, the front lat spread, back lat spread and back double biceps despite all this. Why? Because, to use your expression, he has the best overral package. Dorian has smaller biceps, delts and quads than Ronnie, and yet he wins the front lat spread, abs-and-thighs and back double biceps.

wrong. Ronnie wins the front double biceps, front lat spread, side chest, and most muscular due to superior muscularity and definition from head to toe. The back double biceps and back lat spread are a tie. This leaves only the side triceps and ab-and-thigh for Dorian.

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I wouldn't be laughing if I had such a shitty physique like yours.

yeah right, your physique looks even worse than mine. ha ha ha ha ha.

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And yet, you did say that Ronnie in his 2003 Olympia would defeat Sergio, you dumb fuck. You said it at another thread.

what's your point? Here is what I said.

"Sergio is my fav. bodybuilder of all-time, you dumb c*nt. Ronnie is like 3rd or 4th on my list. How can I be a Ronnie "spooge-sucker" when I like Sergio more? Unlike you, I know the difference between what I like and what actually wins contests."

since when am I obligated to pick my fav. bodybuilder to win a hypothetical contest? I like Samir Bannout more than Ronnie, but I'm not delusional to say he would beat him.

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This is the only quote that counts:

"No man has ever been as hard and dry as the manb who won six Sandows." Peter McGough, FLEX Magazine.

no, this is the only quote that counts.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

or maybe this one

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

this one works too

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

gosh, the quotes saying Ronnie is the best just keep pouring in. ;)

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"the judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28615 on: May 23, 2007, 09:45:55 PM »
Don't change the subject! You argued that separations and bodyfat with water correlate perfectly with separations. This is impossible, because Ronnie in his 1998 Olympia version was far more separated than Dorian in his 1993 and 1995 version. He was more separated in the back, the quads and pecs. Dorian was extremely low in bodyfat and water, so it is not possible that the massive difference in separations between the two was due to Ronnie having lower bodyfat and water. They were roughly equivalent and Dorian was probably lower.

I never changed the subject. I'm telling you straight up that Dorian wasn't as shredded and dry as you think. The only reason why you believe he was the most conditioned bodybuilder ever is b/c you've been brainwashed to think so by journalists. That's right, journalists - NOT medical doctors or exercise physiologists - but people with a degree in English (if that) who never even measured his lean body mass. They just guessed by looking at Dorian.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28616 on: May 23, 2007, 09:47:46 PM »
You are a moron if you think 2 people of identical height and weight at the same bodyfat and subQ water levels will show the same levels of separations. Separations are genetic.

show me one person with 3% body fat and holding 0 water displaying little definition and then I will entertain your nonsense.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28617 on: May 23, 2007, 10:27:01 PM »
show me one person with 3% body fat and holding 0 water displaying little definition and then I will entertain your nonsense.

It's not a matter of showing "little definition"  ::)

You all seem to think that becuase Dorian has inferior separations to Ronnie that he therefore was not as conditioned (subQ fat and water levels). Sucky is pointing out (correctly) that just becuase Dorian did not display as many separations that does not mean he was not better conditioned than Ronnie. Quite the contrary actually, as Dorian is widely known as the best conditioned bodybuilder of all-time when he was at his best.

Therefore, the questions arises: Do the judges judge your condition based on the number and quality of separations or do they judge your condition based on a very hard, dry, and granite appearance. The answer to this question is obviously the latter as Dorian won 6 Mr. Olympia's by virtue of his extreme condition and unusually dense mass.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28618 on: May 23, 2007, 10:36:41 PM »
bullshit, you invent this subjective criteria to suit you whenever you want. I think Ronnie at the 01 ASC looks harder and denser than Dorian. You can't counter this since it's like arguing over an abstract painting.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28619 on: May 23, 2007, 10:46:36 PM »
bullshit, you invent this subjective criteria to suit you whenever you want. I think Ronnie at the 01 ASC looks harder and denser than Dorian. You can't counter this since it's like arguing over an abstract painting.

Actually, I didn't "invent" anything. My proof is in the way the judges scored the competitors. They judged Yates as the best, so obviously his inferior separations were not an issue. Couple that with countless accounts of Yates' unbelievable lack of subcutaneous fat and water can only mean one thing: the judges favored the chiseled rock hard look of Yates over the more separated, yet softer look of competitors such as Levrone, Nasser, and Ray.

You are fighting a losing battle Neo....Sucky has you pinned against the wall. I am just trying to bring you back to reality and point this out  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28620 on: May 23, 2007, 10:59:54 PM »
Actually, I didn't "invent" anything. My proof is in the way the judges scored the competitors. They judged Yates as the best, so obviously his inferior separations were not an issue. Couple that with countless accounts of Yates' unbelievable lack of subcutaneous fat and water can only mean one thing: the judges favored the chiseled rock hard look of Yates over the more separated, yet softer look of competitors such as Levrone, Nasser, and Ray.

ha ha ha, how many times have we been through this? Dorian won b/c he was the biggest guy with the best back. Everyone else was severely lacking something. Shawn Ray was too small. Flex Wheeler never matched his 93 ASC conditioning at the Mr. Olympia. Kevin Levrone, Nasser El Sonbaty, and Paul Dillet all had mediocre backs. Ronnie at his prime would present a challenge to Dorian b/c he matched him in size and conditioning with better shape and taper to boot! Dorian once faced against a bodybuilder who was just as big as him with a comparable back and better shape. Guess what happened? Dorian lost. ;)

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You are fighting a losing battle Neo....Sucky has you pinned against the wall. I am just trying to bring you back to reality and point this out

what losing battle? Unlike you Dorian nuthuggers, I've supported all my arguments with pics and testimony from professional bodybuilders and magazine writers who saw both of them compete. All you guys can do is say "nah uh" and make up lame excuses for why Ronnie looks better in pics than Dorian.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28621 on: May 23, 2007, 11:03:02 PM »
Ronnie in 03 would absolutely destroy a 30 lbs lighter Dorian Yates.












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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28622 on: May 23, 2007, 11:11:14 PM »
Ronnie in 03 would absolutely destroy a 30 lbs lighter Dorian Yates.













That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Ronnie there is absolutely grotesque looking. Ronnie's best overall package was the 1998 Olympia.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28623 on: May 23, 2007, 11:15:27 PM »
agreed, ronnie looks like dogshit in most of those pictures. The side chest is fcvkin amazing though!  :o
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28624 on: May 24, 2007, 02:27:59 AM »
show me one person with 3% body fat and holding 0 water displaying little definition and then I will entertain your nonsense.

  Oh boy, you're so fucking dumb.::) The issue here is not whether a guy at 3% bodyfat and 0 water will have little definition. The issue is this: will he have as little or as many as another guy at 3% bodyfat and 0 water? The answer is no.

  At the 1998 Olympia, Ronnie had far more separations than Dorian overral - chest, quads, back, arms -but he still looked like meat, while Dorian looked liked rock. Throughout the thread, I have always maintained that at his best(1998 Olympia), Ronnie had far more overral separations and striations than Dorian. Go back and you'll see this. This is one thing I never disagreed with Hulkster. Why? Because I agree with him!

  Nevertheless, there is no evidence whatsoever that Ronnie was carrying less subcutaneous bodyfat and water than Dorian; the evidence, in fact, supports that Dorian had less. So why did Ronnie have far more separations overral than Dorian. The answer: because separations are only partially the result of subcutaneous bodyfat and water. The other is genetics, just like I pointed out to you over 100 pages ago. ;)

  White bodybuilders usually never look as defined as Black bodybuilders, no matter how low they go in bodyfat and water; conversely, they have the capacity to acquire a super-hard look that Black bodybuilders usually unable to. A good example? Branch Warren. Even at 3% bodyfat and dehydrated he simply doesen't look as separated as Martinez. However, he looks like a brick.

  My point is that White bodybuilders tend to express their extremely low subcutaneous bodyfat and water levels more through hardness, while Black bodybuilders tend to show it more through separations and striations. There are, of course, exceptions to the rule. Munzer is an example who looks incredibly separated and striated at low subcutaneous bodyfat levels. Vince Taylor is an example of a Black bodybuilder who looks super-hard when in shape.

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