Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[delta9mda]

why are you moron's saying I am 'twisting shawns' words around"?

 

he has more than once commented that he was totally screwed in 94..


read this statement again.

one more time since you probably did not get it the first time...

back it up

[IceCold]

The ramblings of a bitter competitor who could never win the big one , and Shawn for your information has NEVER ONCE held back his comments of the judging , his fellow competitors , it was a running joke with the writers for bodybuilding magazines if you asked for a comment from Shawn Ray be prepared not to run out of tape

Your ' arguments ' as getting consistently weaker with each pose but hey your excuses are too  what do you know? ( rhetorical ) Shawn Ray scared to speak his mind on the judges and fellow competitors lol one of the most OUTSPOKEN bodybuilder in the history of the I.F.B.B.  I can post many , many critical comments Shawn made of the judges if need be? but I'll spare you from looking any more stupid , out of class 

shawn commented many, many times on ronnie's weakness as well. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

shawn commented many, many times on ronnie's weakness as well. 

Oh yes in 98 Shawn said that Ronnie has a lot of weaknesses you wont fond on his physique

[IceCold]

Oh yes in 98 Shawn said that Ronnie has a lot of weaknesses you wont fond on his physique

pretty much every shawn and ronnie competed against each other.

iceman if you wont - i will post the comments as well.

if ronnie was good as hulkster says, shawn would have said nothing.

[Hulkster]

prove it.

when and where.

stop making shit up.

well, it only took me about 12 seconds to find one instance, and there is plenty more no doubt:

this is straight from the interview with Ron Avidan from this very website, you stupid fucking moron:

There is no doubt in my mind that in 1994, I was Mr. Olympia. And in 1996. And a strong argument for 1997. What they didn't allow me to achieve on stage, I think worldwide, the fans have spoken. In the poll that Flex Magazine did, titled 'Who is the uncrowned Mr. Olympia', I came out on top by the fans.

God, you guys are so dumb its incredible.

you really think I am stupid enough to make stuff up?

 

[Hulkster]

from the second part of the same interview:

What was your worst moment in bodybuilding?

The worst moment was in 1994, when I lost the Mr. Olympia contest. That was even harder to deal with than failing the drug test at the Arnold Classic in 1990 because I won that show. I felt like a winner there, everybody who saw it felt that. At the Mr. Olympia contest, in 1992 I was 4th, in 1993 I was 3rd. In 1994, to wind up second in a contest that I felt I had won, when Dorian had torn his bicep, came in with a bloated stomach, his color was off, and it was clear he was visibly not at his best from 1993. A lot of people came to my room, and told me I looked the best, that I was going to win. The photographers were setting up photo shoot for me. Joe Weider gave me his blessing - he thought that I nailed it. Everybody who knew me knew that I had nailed this show. I used the routine that I turned pro with in 1987, and I nailed that too. I felt that this was going to be the night.
And when they announced Dorian in first, I felt that at that point and time, there was nothing that I could have changed, nothing I would have done differently, and nothing more that I could do. This was the best that I had with my physique, and I was dazed and confused because I didn't know what else I could do with my body? I didn't want to change anything - I was happy. And when I placed second, it was the worst thing. I would have been happier if I had placed 6th or 7th. One person stopped me from my destiny. One person away from realizing a dream since I had in high school. I was 10 years removed from high school, it was two weeks after my 10 years reunion, and when that happened, it took a lot out of me. I retired that night.


Did you ever analyze the 1994 Mr. Olympia scorecard?

I never looked at the scorecard, I never asked a judge what I could have done better, I never asked why. I knew I should have won just by looking in the mirror. Flex Wheeler had come to my house a week before, and remember that Flex was 2nd at the Olympia a year before that (in 1993, Flex was in a car wreck). He came over, and he said that he had never seen anything that looked like that in person. It is very hard to impress somebody like Flex. Flex rarely gives compliments that I acknowledged to that degree. Afterwards, I had many people come to tell me the same thing. I studied the video, looked at pictures. I found a few things wrong with Dorian and nothing with myself then. After about two weeks, I found peace, because I felt there was nothing I could do to prevent that loss. The judges had it in their mind and it was reaffirmed in 1997 when Dorian tore his triceps, and the judges were verbally telling the athletes before the show that they were going to be marking down for distended stomachs, yet they allowed him to win his 6th Olympia and retire.

[Hulkster]

I am sure glad shawn DIDN'T look at the 94 score card.

no doubt the judges probably gave dorian a perfect score..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am sure glad shawn DIDN'T look at the 94 score card.

no doubt the judges probably gave dorian a perfect score..

 

Actually this is the ONLY contest in which Yates' didn't get a perfect score lol he got straight firsts in the physique rounds still won the posing round but not with a perfect score , Yates crushed him and everyone else in 1994.

[NarcissisticDeity]

well, it only took me about 12 seconds to find one instance, and there is plenty more no doubt:

this is straight from the interview with Ron Avidan from this very website, you stupid fucking moron:

God, you guys are so dumb its incredible.

you really think I am stupid enough to make stuff up?

 

Don't lump me in with you guys I knew Shawn complained about losing POST wins and you have made shit up in the past about ( ironically ) Shawn said about Dorian , so its NOT a stretch for you to make things up 

[Hulkster]

Yates crushed him and everyone else in 1994.

 

it must be lonely knowing that you and two other people are the only fools on the planet who share in an opinion.
lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

from the second part of the same interview:

Oh so I guess you agree with when Shawn alludes to the fact that Uncle Joe gave him his blessing and he doesn't fix contests according to YOU 

[NarcissisticDeity]

it must be lonely knowing that you and two other people are the only fools on the planet who share in an opinion.
lol

LMFAO argument ad populum  and NOT everyone the judges shared my opinion and so did Shawn in 1994  and listen to the complaints he tore his bicep ( not his strongest part anyway ) , he was bloated and his color was off thats IT thats why he think he should have lost lol the bicep according to the head judge had NO impact what so ever , the gut was bloated slightly more than 93 and his color was off lol he was also almost 60 pounds heavier than Shawn , Shawn was born in the wrong era ironically you don't see Labrada crying like Ray , as a much smaller competitor he did very well for himself but he's not overcoming a 60 pound muscle advantage no matter how feminine his posing rountine was.

[Hulkster]

see what you fail to understand is that there is a major distinction between an argument that has premises simply based on popularity vs. an argument that is based on solid fact that is also popular as a result of said facts.

you often use angels or UFS's as example of this fallacy.

well, like I pointed out many times, there is no credible evidence for either, yet many believe in them.

with dorian, there is TONS of credible evidence that he was not as good as Ronnie, and AS A RESULT of this, many believe he is better.

learn the difference and come back.

[dearth]

with dorian, there is TONS of credible evidence that he was not as good as Ronnie, and AS A RESULT of this, many believe he is better.

huckster,

popular opinion on a message board nor your bedroom full of ronnie posters doesn't quite equate to "tons of credible evidence".

[Hulkster]

huckster,

popular opinion on a message board nor your bedroom full of ronnie posters doesn't quite equate to "tons of credible evidence".

if the evidence was not so credible the opinion that Ronnie is better than dorian would NOT be a very popular one at all...

quite the opposite is true:

the comparisons show Ronnie's clear superiority such that few people believe that dorian was better.

period.

[NarcissisticDeity]

huckster,

popular opinion on a message board nor your bedroom full of ronnie posters doesn't quite equate to "tons of credible evidence".

Great post !

[NarcissisticDeity]

see what you fail to understand is that there is a major distinction between an argument that has premises simply based on popularity vs. an argument that is based on solid fact that is also popular as a result of said facts.

you often use angels or UFS's as example of this fallacy.

well, like I pointed out many times, there is no credible evidence for either, yet many believe in them.

with dorian, there is TONS of credible evidence that he was not as good as Ronnie, and AS A RESULT of this, many believe he is better.

learn the difference and come back.

Hulkster you're thick , its well established you're not that bright ( judges get paid ring a bell? ) and POPULAR OPINION is not fact your argument from ad populum is poor logic the angels and UFO are semantics , it could be worded Brand X  shampoo is the best selling shampoo you should buy brand X its weak logic

and your ton of ' credible ' lmfao ( funny to ponder the word credible used by someone ignorant of what the judges are looking for ) evidence is nothing more than like minded OPINIONS

You cannot state Ronnie is better because more people hold that opinion its weak logic and poor reasoning , you cannot state Ronnie would beat Dorian at their respective bests because YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE IFFB JUDGING CRITERIA , you can't comment on something you're ignorant of , you've failed .

[Hulkster]

you might think that 'ad populum' arguments are poor logic, but in this case when they are based on evidence this strong, they are very very strong arguments supported, agreed with and established:

this is NOT weak logic my friend:

[Hulkster]

more examples of very very strong 'logic':

[Hulkster]

You cannot state Ronnie is better because more people hold that opinion its weak logic and poor reasoning

see, you really need to take a course in philosophy so you actually learn how to forumlate an argument.

you are saying that we are simply arguing that Ronnie is better because 'more people hold that opinion'

when in fact,

we are merely PRESENTING EVIDENCE that MORE PEOPLE AGREE WITH and USE TO SUPPORT THEIR OPINION.

the two are totally different...

our argument is based on evidence (that most people happen to find credible).

that is as strong of an argument as you can get.

evidence + support for evidence = valid argument.

learn it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you might think that 'ad populum' arguments are poor logic, but in this case when they are based on evidence this strong, they are very very strong arguments supported, agreed with and established:

this is NOT weak logic my friend:

lmfao keep iceskating  uphill kid , again YOUR opinion is a poor substitute for evidence , your argument is weak for appealing to the masses and being ignorant of the IFBB judging criteria .

[NarcissisticDeity]

see, you really need to take a course in philosophy so you actually learn how to forumlate an argument.

you are saying that we are simply arguing that Ronnie is better because 'more people hold that opinion'

when in fact,

we are merely PRESENTING EVIDENCE that MORE PEOPLE AGREE WITH and USE TO SUPPORT THEIR OPINION.

the two are totally different...

our argument is based on evidence (that most people happen to find credible).

that is as strong of an argument as you can get.

evidence + support for evidence = valid argument.

learn it.

The irony of you typing I don't know how to formulate an argument lol when you've already established yourself as adopting a faulty one ( argument ad populum ) and trying to convince everyone your opinion is more than just that

Again just because people hold the same opinion doesn't mean its a fact , especially considering most the people you included are ignorant of what the judges are looking for and how to apply it


our argument is based on evidence (that most people happen to find credible).

this is circular reasoning , most people happen to find credible lol MOST PEOPLE and your opinion is NOT evidence , keep trying. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is MY OPINION on why Dorian would beat Ronnie and its based on the IFBB judging criteria which I know and know how to apply

Dorian has everything the judges are looking for muscular balance , muscular size , conditioning and muscle density he is executing the pose perfectly and lacks nothing , now its MY OPINION that Dorian meets the IFBB judging criteria better than Ronnie it isn't a fact its an educated opinion ( which is more than yours ) so keep chasing your tail while I laugh .

[Hulkster]

we are still waiting for you to go on all those forums with the polls comparing the 99 Ronnie vs 93 dorian shots and tell the 90+% that voted for Ronnie how much better you can apply the critera LOL

I would pay good money to see that.

hahahaha

[NarcissisticDeity]

we are still waiting for you to go on all those forums with the polls comparing the 99 Ronnie vs 93 dorian shots and tell the 90+% that voted for Ronnie how much better you can apply the critera LOL

I would pay good money to see that.

hahahaha

Oh yeah I wouldn't say it here  so I'm deathly afraid to say it anywhere else  you're getting owned at every turn over here so you want some revenge by proxy is possible but alas its an opinion I'm more than willing to admit thats all it is  unlike you who claims it as evidence lol