Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[suckmymuscle]

No he makes a great point , something you don't make ( especially with those non-perfect comparisons )  and my ego is far from fragile lmfao see my screen name? you stick you personal attacks

  Apparently, flexing your forearms inward makes the forearms shrink. Then, when you hold it straight up, it grows again! According to him, it's an "optical illusion", even though I measured the lengh of their forearms with a ruler! Apparently, the optical illusion also fools the ruler!!!!!!!!! This is the genius that we're dealing with!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Apparently, flexing your forearms inward makes the forearms shrink. Then, when you hold it straight up, it grows again! According to him, it's an "optical illusion", even though I measured the lengh of their forearms with a ruler! Apparently, the optical illusion also fools the ruler!!!!!!!!! This is the genius that we're dealing with!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

He's working lol much like Hulkster who makes empty claims and then when called on them go to elaborate lengths to vaildate them

[suckmymuscle]

He's working lol much like Hulkster who makes empty claims and then when called on them go to elaborate lengths to vaildate them

  Yeah. Then  he claims that Ronnie's forearms are longer than Dorian's, and that I "didn't take that into account"(his words). The problem is that Ronnie's forearms are, at best, a few centimeters longer in real life, which would mean a few milimeters on pics, not the monstrous 1" on pic which would translate to 10" in real life. SemenHole is so full of shit that I can smell it from here.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Yeah. Then  he claims that Ronnie's forearms are longer than Dorian's, and that I "didn't take that into account"(his words). The problem is that Ronnie's forearms are, at best, a few centimeters longer in real life, which would mean a few milimeters on pics, not the monstrous 1" on pic which would translate to 10" in real life. SemenHole is so full of shit that I can smell it from here.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I mean its plainly obvious there is a huge disparity in the length of the forearms , waist size , calve size , I love how he tried to link Ronnie's calf size via Cutler to Yates lol another ignorant Coleman fan , he's also the one who argued balance & proportion are the same entity 

[IceCold]

I was unaware that he did. Could you show me where he made this claim?

page before - with nasser, shawn, and dorian from the 96 olympia.

ND posted qoutes from Peter McGough saying yates was the best conditioned guy onstage, hulkster disagrees saying "he sees it" - shawn being in better shape. 

[NeoSeminole]

The difference in forearms lengh between the two is 1", which would transl;ate into a massive 10" in real life.

wtf are you talking about? The difference in forearm length between Dorian and Ronnie in the pic is less than 1/4". Here is a larger version of the same comparison. It's still no where close to 1" and the difference is even less in the original. So I don't know were you got that measurement from.

The bending of the forearms foreward cannot explain the massive discrepancy. Get two bodybuilders of roughly equal height and forearm lengh, and make them hit the back double biceps with one of them bending his forearms and the other not. In any case, the forearms does not appear to be 10" long. It is impossible.

you still don't get it. Try to follow along. Dorian is bending his arms and torquing them forward (away from camera) while turning his wrists in more whereas Ronnie is holding his forearms straight up without bending his wrists. It's a combination of all of the above - NOT just any 1 factor - which creates the illusion that Ronnie's forearms are longer. You keep trying to isolate one variable from my post, such as bending of the arms, and discredit the rest of my argument by claiming this doesn't explain for the difference in length. Now take into consideration that Ronnie's forearms are longer. It's easy to see why the discrepancy exists.

[delta9mda]

right before the domination started

[suckmymuscle]

wtf are you talking about? The difference in forearm length between Dorian and Ronnie in the pic is less than 1/4". Here is a larger version of the same comparison. It's still no where close to 1" and the difference is even less in the original. So I don't know were you got that measurement from.



you still don't get it. Try to follow along. Dorian is bending his arms and torquing them forward (away from camera) while turning his wrists in more whereas Ronnie is holding his forearms straight up without bending his wrists. It's a combination of all of the above - NOT just any 1 factor - which creates the illusion that Ronnie's forearms are longer. You keep trying to isolate one variable from my post, such as bending of the arms, and discredit the rest of my argument by claiming this doesn't explain for the difference in length. Now take into consideration that Ronnie's forearms are longer. It's easy to see why the discrepancy exists.

  Once again, your measurement is scewed. Observe that you drew the line up to the upper part of Dorian's hand, while you conveniently stopped on Ronnie's wrist. That clearly shows that difference in measurement is far more than 1/4th of an inch.

  Also, stop pretending like your argument has some validity. I understood perfectly what your point was, but you don't seem to comprehend why you're wrong. Imagine a 6' foot bodybuilder doing the back double biceps comparing to an 8' feet bodybuilder who has forearms that are 10" longer than the bodybuilder sho's 6'. Now ingaine that the shorter bodybuilder does everything you just said(bends his forearms, pushes them foreward, etc). Do you think that would be enough to compensate for the enormous difference in size? the bodybuilder with the longer forearms would still have visually much longer forearms.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

right before the domination started

Awesome shot !~! Yates was the only one that gave Haney a run for his money in this pose.

[NeoSeminole]

Apparently, flexing your forearms inward makes the forearms shrink. Then, when you hold it straight up, it grows again!

again, you keep trying to isolate one variable from my post and then use it to discredit the rest of my argument. Not only did you fail but you also set up a false representation of my argument and then attacked it. This is known as a strawman fallacy. Show me where I claimed flexing the forearms inward makes the forearms shrink. If you bothered to process what I wrote rather then type a hasty reply, you would notice I said bending the arms in addition to other factors creates the illusion the forearms are shorter. I expected better from you.

According to him, it's an "optical illusion", even though I measured the lengh of their forearms with a ruler! Apparently, the optical illusion also fools the ruler!!!!!!!!!

you must have a f*cked up ruler. Where is this 1" difference you speak of?

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Once again, your measurement is scewed. Observe that you drew the line up to the upper part of Dorian's hand, while you conveniently stopped on Ronnie's wrist. That clearly shows that difference in measurement is far more than 1/4th of an inch.

  Also, stop pretending like your argument has some validity. I understood perfectly what your point was, but you don't seem to comprehend why you're wrong. Imagine a 6' foot bodybuilder doing the back double biceps comparing to an 8' feet bodybuilder

He did the same thing when he ' measured ' Dorian's calves compared to Ronnie's he purposely did NOT include a part of Ronnie's calves because most people don't consider the soleus part of the calf was his excuse lmfao now he forgot to measure part of Ronnie's hand/arm/wrist and he has the balls to call anyone a liar 

the comparison sucks , end of story you admit yourself its NOT perfect so stop trying to argue to the contrary

[NeoSeminole]

Once again, your measurement is scewed. Observe that you drew the line up to the upper part of Dorian's hand, while you conveniently stopped on Ronnie's wrist. That clearly shows that difference in measurement is far more than 1/4th of an inch.

look again, dumbf*ck. I included an unaltered version so you see without anything in the way. That "upper part of Dorian's hand" you speak of is his wrist. Notice how it budges outward? I stopped right before it tapered into his hand. Even if we entertain your nonsense, it would subtract at most 1 millimeter. The difference in forearm length between them is still nowhere close to an inch like you claim.

[RocketSwitch625]

All drugs and he paid the price.

[suckmymuscle]

again, you keep trying to isolate one variable from my post and then use it to discredit the rest of my argument. Not only did you fail but you also set up a false representation of my argument and then attacked it. This is known as a strawman fallacy. Show me where I claimed flexing the forearms inward makes the forearms shrink. If you bothered to process what I wrote rather then type a hasty reply, you would notice I said bending the arms in addition to other factors creates the illusion the forearms are shorter. I expected better from you.

  No, I took into account all variables. The difference in forearms lengh between a very tall man and a short one is about 10 centimeters. 10" in forearms lengh would require the man to be at least 2 feet taller than the other.  the difference in forearms lengh between Dorian and Ronnie in the comparison you've posted is massive. Put two bodybuilders with similar heights and equal forearms lengh doing a back double biceps and and have one of them bending his forearms forward and bending his arms in a steeper angle and the difference in forearms lengh would be mcuh smaller than the one shown in your compariosn. these are facts. you cannot argue with facts.

you must have a f*cked up ruler. Where is this 1" difference you speak of?

  The line you drew on the upper part of their arms is not in the same place! You stopped the line higher on Dorian's arms than you did on Ronnie's. Secondly, even if the difference were 1/4th, as you say, that would still be 6 centimeters or more in real life. Aren't their forearms supposed to be of close to equal lengh? That is a lot! That would be like the difference in forearm lengh between a man who's 5'11 dna one who's 6'3/. besides, you are not taking into consideration that scale of the pic. When I said that the pic is a multiple of 10, I was beinf optimistic. It is actually much more than that. A real life Dorian or Ronnie is probably 20 times bigger than the picture, so in any case a difference of evena  measly 1 centimeter on paper would represent a difference of a montrous 20 centimeters on real life.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

He did the same thing when he ' measured ' Dorian's calves compared to Ronnie's he purposely did NOT include a part of Ronnie's calves because most people don't consider the soleus part of the calf was his excuse lmfao now he forgot to measure part of Ronnie's hand/arm/wrist and he has the balls to call anyone a liar

Funny you mention lying since you claimed Ronnie's calves appear larger here. I'm still waiting for you to explain how Ronnie's calves look bigger.

the comparison sucks , end of story you admit yourself its NOT perfect so stop trying to argue to the contrary

my comparison is actually quite accurate. I've successfully defended against every argument you nuthuggers have thrown at me using logic and visual evidence. When you claimed Ronnie's calves appear bigger, I proved with a ruler that you're wrong. When you claimed that Ronnie's waist couldn't be the same width as Dorian's, I demonstrated with pics of Ronnie how his midsection grew over the years. When Suckmyasshole argued that my comparison is inaccurate due to the discrepancy in forearm length, I proved once again with a ruler the difference is far less than what he claimed. I also drew lines across the tops of their heads, waists, knees, and bottom of their feet to show you the proportions are anatomically correct. All you guys can do is come up with any lame tactic at all to discredit the evidence in favor of Ronnie - whether it be false claims of photoshop, fake muscles, photoelectric effect, racism, or biased comparisons. Grow up!

[suckmymuscle]

  You didn't prove shit, SemenHole. You drew a line on Ronnie's wrist and another on Dorian's mid hand and that is supposed to prove what Furthermore, you keep ignoring that the scale of the picture is a factor of 20 or 30. Even a  difference in forearms lengh of a measly one centimeter translates into the figure of 10" that I was talking about. So you have nothing!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

Funny you mention lying since you claimed Ronnie's calves appear larger here. I'm still waiting for you to explain how Ronnie's calves look bigger.

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my comparison is actually quite accurate. I've successfully defended against every argument you nuthuggers have thrown at me using logic and visual evidence. When you claimed Ronnie's calves appear bigger, I proved with a ruler that you're wrong. When you claimed that Ronnie's waist couldn't be the same width as Dorian's, I demonstrated with pics of Ronnie how his midsection grew over the years. When Suckmyasshole argued that my comparison is inaccurate due to the discrepancy in forearm length, I proved once again with a ruler the difference is far less than what he claimed. I also drew lines across the tops of their heads, waists, knees, and bottom of their feet to show you the proportions are anatomically correct. All you guys can do is come up with any lame tactic at all to discredit the evidence in favor of Ronnie - whether it be false claims of photoshop, fake muscles, photoelectric effect, racism, or biased comparisons. Grow up!

its all a matter of semantics , larger , same size either way its bull shit , I hate to break it to you son Ronnie's calves aren't the same width , size or anything compared to Dorian , period . I don't care if Ronnie is 296 or 287 in your fantasy world with a heavily slanted comparison their calves may be comparable but in reality its no contest

and the fact you now say your comparison is quite accurate contradicts your claim of it not being perfect and if you claim you never said it was perfect but accurate it shows you're just playing with words , which is a diversionary tactic , in your accurate comparison Dorian's waist is narrower than Ronnie , more fantasy

I don't know what more sad , the comparison or the fact you think the comparison is accurate , and oh did you factor in these quotes? ( rhetorical )

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.


a 317 pound Lou Ferrigno and a 275 pound Paul Dillett couldn't make Yates look small but a 287 pound Ronnie would 

and this by Shawn Ray

in certain poses you would never know Dexter was giving up 70lbs to Ronnie

in some shots a TWO-HUNDRED-AND-NINTY-SIX pound Ronnie didn't dwarf a 230 pound Dexter Jackson but a 287 pound Ronnie is supposed to make a 257 pound Dorian look tiny 


and you have the balls to claim your biased-slanted comparison ' evidence ' it boggles the mind you think your comparison which is self made is actual evidence lmmfao you Coleman fans are certainly delusional and everything you accused of us , is exactly what you and the other zealots are guilty of , hypocrites .

[IceCold]

hulkster and iceman,

another guy with better quads than ronnie.

[Hulkster]

I find it funny that ND has gone right back to quotes when the cold hard evidence of reality does not work in his favor...

while he was gone the dorian side tried to argue based on real pics, and guess what?

they failed miserably.

Now, ND is back, knows that it is useless to try and use dorian's physique to win, so he immediately breaks out quote after (outdated) quote..

 

its pathetic.

and a poor poor attempt at a strong argument.

The argument for ronnie's side goes like this:

1. compare Ronnie and dorian at their best.

Ronnie wins - experts agree. For many reasons like shape, detail, taper, vascularity - the list goes on and on.

The Dorian side goes like this:

1. try and ignore or discredit all pics, comparisons and videos and rely on outdated and irrelevant quotes

2. Completely ignore all the pics and miss the entire point that the ronnie side is NOT based on numbers but cold hard visual evidence.

the fact that experts, fans, and industry insiders support this evidence is not only ignored, but attacked..

its pathetic..

[Hulkster]

dorian's arms were not that great- pre tear. Post tear, they were some of the worst ever for a Mr. O.

the problem over on the truce thread is that the dorian fans (all three of them LOL) are so fucking stupid they have tried to argue in the past that they are actually BETTER than a peak ronnie' coleman's arms....


this is the kind of stupidity that the ronnie side is dealing with over there.

We are the voice of sanity, bodybuilding knowledge, and fairness.

they are the voice of shear stupidity, cheating (they voted 1000 times in a dorian vs ronnie poll in one night lol) and avoidance of reality...

[marcus]

Fuck Dorian's arms.

[Hulkster]

 IceCold, ND and Co. you should see how many times 1994 is being brought up in the 'when did bb die' thread...

why don't you go and tell those people how stupid they are..


LOL

what cowards..

[NarcissisticDeity]

I find it funny that ND has gone right back to quotes when the cold hard evidence of reality does not work in his favor...

while he was gone the dorian side tried to argue based on real pics, and guess what?

they failed miserably.

Now, ND is back, knows that it is useless to try and use dorian's physique to win, so he immediately breaks out quote after (outdated) quote..

 

its pathetic.

and a poor poor attempt at a strong argument.

The argument for ronnie's side goes like this:

1. compare Ronnie and dorian at their best.

Ronnie wins - experts agree. For many reasons like shape, detail, taper, vascularity - the list goes on and on.

The Dorian side goes like this:

1. try and ignore or discredit all pics, comparisons and videos and rely on outdated and irrelevant quotes

2. Completely ignore all the pics and miss the entire point that the ronnie side is NOT based on numbers but cold hard visual evidence.

the fact that experts, fans, and industry insiders support this evidence is not only ignored, but attacked..

its pathetic..

more appeals to the masses no this is how the argument goes

Dorian would win against Ronnie because he satisfies the IFBB judging criteria better than Ronnie its that simple

Dorian has the edge of balance & condition ( all years V Ronnie )
Dorian has the edge in muscular density ( all years V Ronnie )
Dorian has the edge in muscular bulk ( than Ronnie 1999 ) 260 pounds in 1995 and one inch shorter
Dorian has better condition ( than Ronnie all years except 1998 )
Dorian has better posing & presentation ( all years V Dorian )

its that simple period end of sentence , Dorian is smaller than Ronnie 2003 but he's better conditioned , has better density couple that with better balance & proportion and once again better ability to pose and I would say Dorian could beat Ronnie 2003 despite the size advantage

Ronnie 99 Dorian carries more muscular bulk , he has better density , better balance & proportion and conditioning and again better ability to show his physique off to its maximum !

I've stated my case plainly and simply for you simple people and the best part is I verify my points after the fact using professionals , quotes are a supplement I don't rely on them like you do  I don't rely on others opinions I don't seek comfort in numbers and best of all I know what I'm talking about its been proven time and time again you are IGNORANT its a proven fact period , you still have nothing for me .

[NarcissisticDeity]

IceCold, ND and Co. you should see how many times 1994 is being brought up in the 'when did bb die' thread...

why don't you go and tell those people how stupid they are..


LOL

what cowards..

wow so I guess when a bunch of people say it ended in 94 it did because a LOT of people can't be wrong lol ( see argument ad populum ) 

[Hulkster]

wow so I guess when a bunch of people say it ended in 94 it did because a LOT of people can't be wrong lol ( see argument ad populum ) 

for the last fucking time, it is NOT an ad populum argument. STOP SAYING IT IS.

it is based on EVIDENCE. NOT NUMBERS.

just because YOU are applying criteria INCORRECTLY DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS..