Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

Stop making empty claims , you , Neo , iceman and pumpster have yet to counter my argument , you haveing owned anything at all , see density , see balance & proportion , see conditioning and then see Dorian Yates 

yet another irony alert.

the person who avoids visual comparison because they show everything that he types to be flat out WRONG is telling me that I am making "empty claims"...

 

yes, they are so "empty"..

 

come back when you have some shread of intelligence..

[NeoSeminole]

even Team Flex unanimously agrees that Ronnie is better than Dorian.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, it's not. The difference in waist size is only 2 mm which would translate into less than 1" in real life. If we measure their hips (the part that doesn't change), we find that Ronnie's are still narrower in the comparison. This fits what we can reasonably expect.

don't play these stupid childish games, ND. It's safe to say Jay's calves measure over 20". I never claimed an exact measurement for them.

yawn.

no, it's not. The difference in waist size is only 2 mm which would translate into less than 1" in real life. If we measure their hips (the part that doesn't change), we find that Ronnie's are still narrower in the comparison. This fits what we can reasonably expect.

Again you're taking measurements off a comparison YOU MADE lmfao thats enough said , period end of sentence .

don't play these stupid childish games, ND. It's safe to say Jay's calves measure over 20". I never claimed an exact measurement for them.

The irony of a Coleman-fan saying not to play childish games lol and again Jay's calves in all probability measure over 20" that has zero to do with Ronnie's and Dorians , its that simple

yawn.

Yawn is right , yawn at your strawman , yawn that you think you know something a IFBB judge doesn't , yawn at your slanted comparison , yawn at anyone making Yates look like a middle weight

you're behind the 8 ball kid , keep defending that comparison lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

yet another irony alert.

the person who avoids visual comparison because they show everything that he types to be flat out WRONG is telling me that I am making "empty claims"...

 

yes, they are so "empty"..

 

come back when you have some shread of intelligence..

Another brilliant comparison lol Dorian's waist smaller or equal , Ronnie's calves the same size , Dorian's arms appear 14" compared to Ronnie's ( waisting for the old jokes  ) no wonder why you guys think Ronnie is so great lmfao your comparisons are right up your delusional ally

[Hulkster]

From where I sat, in certain poses you would never know Dexter was giving up 70lbs to Ronnie

shawn must have been sitting in row 2345. lol

just look at the difference in size between ronnie and Dexter:

don't quote anything.

don't type more meaningless bullshit onto the page.

just look:

its not hard:

[Hulkster]

and while you are there, look at the difference in size between ronnie and JAY..

[NarcissisticDeity]

even Team Flex unanimously agrees that Ronnie is better than Dorian.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

McGough's opinion is Ronnie 2001 would be unbeatable , but I'm sure you agree with his opinion Dorian clearly won in 1997? 

Shawn Perine notice the keyword arguably , you might want to look that word up

Greg Meritt , again thats a arguable point NOT set in stone these are bodybuilding writers opinions NOT judges 

Jim Stopani , umm  we've covered this one , it was posed as a question , did you catch this little symbol at the end of the sentence? ( ? )

Again all bodybuilding writers , they're opinions conflict with the judges see some reports on the 1994 Mr Olympia it doesn't mean its so . so nice try Neo 

[suckmymuscle]

Suckmyasshole, give it up. You are wrong.


here's a close up of the same pic.

  SemenHole, Iam being completely, utterly honest with you that I'm getting around 11 centimeters in my ruler. I just compared your measurements by directly matching my ruler against yours, and I found that 5 centimeters on your ruler is equivalent to 3.5 centimeters on mine. I have nothing to fear.  Lie I said, I am using my civil engineer brother's ruler, so I think that my ruler is accurate and yours is not. I invite everyone to put a ruler that is marked with centimeters in their computer screen and measure the pic.

  Other problems with your comparison:

  - It is scaled for height, but not for width.

  - It is not scaled properly for depth.

  - They are facing the camera at different angles.

  So, the scale of the picture is 17 or 18, and not 12 like you say. Even if the difference in forearms is 4 milimeters, that would translate into over 7 centimeters, which is too much for you to explain with the idiotic argument that this is caused by Dorian's arms being proned foreward. When you take into consideration that the actual difference is over 1 centimeter, than that translates into a massive 17 or 18 centimeters difference in forearm lengh that cannot be explained by any other factor rather than your pics are off.

  My personal guess is that you got a picture where Dorian is far removed to the camera, thus giving the illusion that he is thiner than Coleman, and then you photoshopped the pic to make their heights equivalent.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Again you're taking measurements off a comparison YOU MADE lmfao thats enough said , period end of sentence.

what's so funny about that? If a guy made that comparison and demonstrated that it was close to accurate, I would accept it. Whomever made it shouldn't matter. The only reason you hate my comparison so much is b/c Ronnie makes Dorian look small.

The irony of a Coleman-fan saying not to play childish games lol and again Jay's calves in all probability measure over 20" that has zero to do with Ronnie's and Dorians , its that simple

it has everything to do with this discussion b/c you claimed that 03 Ronnie's calves don't come anywhere close to Dorian's in terms of size. I proved you wrong using pics of Ronnie standing next to Jay who is known for his large calves. You can't use the excuse that I measured a comparison I made.

[NarcissisticDeity]

shawn must have been sitting in row 2345. lol

just look at the difference in size between ronnie and Dexter:

don't quote anything.

don't type more meaningless bullshit onto the page.

just look:

its not hard:

Again , Mr Selective memory , what part did you miss of " in certain poses " ? NOT all , and this applies to Dorian , Ronnie no matter what year isn't going to make Dorian look like the comparison that Neo made , end of sentence.

[NeoSeminole]

Suckmyasshole is so pathetic that he's now trying to discredit my ruler as inaccurate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

what's so funny about that? If a guy made that comparison and demonstrated that it was close to accurate, I would accept it. Whomever made it shouldn't matter. The only reason you hate my comparison so much is b/c Ronnie makes Dorian look small.

it has everything to do with this discussion b/c you claimed that 03 Ronnie's calves don't come anywhere close to Dorian's in terms of size. I proved you wrong using pics of Ronnie standing next to Jay who is known for his large calves. You can't use the excuse that I measured a comparison I made.

what's so funny about that? If a guy made that comparison and demonstrated that it was close to accurate, I would accept it. Whomever made it shouldn't matter. The only reason you hate my comparison so much is b/c Ronnie makes Dorian look small.

Whats funny about it? lets see Dorian looks like a middle weight for starters and then you procede to make measurements lmfao on your computer screen , I'll let that stand on its own , look I gave a shot at comparisons and it didn't work out well , you don't see me constantly posting them , please give it up , I mean you're biased at the least how can we expect a fair comparison from you? I mean seriously

it has everything to do with this discussion b/c you claimed that 03 Ronnie's calves don't come anywhere close to Dorian's in terms of size. I proved you wrong using pics of Ronnie standing next to Jay who is known for his large calves. You can't use the excuse that I measured a comparison I made.

You most certainly did NOT prove Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorians not by a long shot , you tried to link Dorian to Jay and back to Ronnie and then you're taking measurements on the computer screen and going to elaborate lengths to back up that abortion of a comparison , its a mess

I'll hand it to you , you at the least try to articulate your point unlike Hulkster , but your point is still dumb and biased .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's twenty inch calves lmfao

[NarcissisticDeity]

A pic of Ronnie's calves not appearing so comparable to Jays , never mind Dorians !

[suckmymuscle]

Suckmyasshole is so pathetic that he's now trying to discredit my ruler as inaccurate.

  SemenHole, this is exactly what I'm saying. Your ruler, just like your comparisons, is poorly scaled. I think that it is amazing that you would stoop so low, but you have. I don't know where the fuck you got that ruler, but mine is accurate because it's an engineering one. Now, I can't prove you wrong by posting a pic of my ruler measuring Ronnie's height, because I don't have a scanner, but I can easily prove you wrong. How? By inviting everyone in the board to measure the picture with a ruler that has centimeters as the measure and then compare. If I were afraid would I be making this invitation? No. and then, there's the other issue that you completely ignored, namely, that even if you were correct about the measurement - which you are not -, it still would make your comparison suck because it has not been adjusted for width, depth and camera angle and also becasue the difference in forearms lengh in the pic is not 4 milimeters but rather over one centimeter.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: The ruler must be placed vertically on Ronnie, and not diagonally like you did. For a more accurate measurement, place the ruler complaetely vertically over Ronnie's head and then measure it to his feet. When you do that, you get either 10 or 11 centimeters, definitely not 15 centimeters like you claim.

[Quattro]

  SemenHole, this is exactly what I'm saying. Your ruler, just like your comparisons, is poorly scaled. I think that it is amazing that you would stoop so low, but you have. I don't know where the fuck you got that ruler, but mine is accurate because it's an engineering one. Now, I can't prove you wrong by posting a pic of my ruler measuring Ronnie's height, because I don't have a scanner, but I can easily prove you wrong. How? By inviting everyone in the board to measure the picture with a ruler that has centimeters as the measure and then compare. If I were afraid would I be making this invitation? No. and then, there's the other issue that you completely ignored, namely, that even if you were correct about the measurement - which you are not -, it still would make your comparison suck because it has not been adjusted for width, depth and camera angle and also becasue the difference in forearms lengh in the pic is not 4 milimeters but rather over one centimeter.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: The ruler must be placed vertically on Ronnie, and not diagonally like you did. For a more accurate measurement, place the ruler complaetely vertically over Ronnie's head and then measure it to his feet. When you do that, you get either 10 or 11 centimeters, definitely not 15 centimeters like you claim.

You sure do type alot of crap for a lazy ass mexican

[suckmymuscle]

You sure do type alot of crap for a lazy ass mexican

  what makes you think that I'm a Mexican, you moron?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[RocketSwitch625]

Jay Cutler looks full of confidence there while Hulkster's hero looks totally puffed out like an 80-year-old old man. LOL

[NeoSeminole]

Whats funny about it? lets see Dorian looks like a middle weight for starters and then you procede to make measurements lmfao on your computer screen , I'll let that stand on its own , look I gave a shot at comparisons and it didn't work out well , you don't see me constantly posting them , please give it up , I mean you're biased at the least how can we expect a fair comparison from you? I mean seriously

Dorian looks like a middleweight next to Ronnie in my comparison b/c he is being outweighed by 30 lbs. Of course he is going to look smaller. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. Paul Dillet makes Dorian look tiny here, and Paul is taller and weighs less than 03 Ronnie. If we use logical thinking, Ronnie will look even bigger next to Dorian.

You most certainly did NOT prove Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorians not by a long shot , you tried to link Dorian to Jay and back to Ronnie and then you're taking measurements on the computer screen and going to elaborate lengths to back up that abortion of a comparison , its a mess

I did prove Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorian's. Maybe not 95 Dorian or offseason Dorian, but certainly 93 Dorian. Ronnie's calves in 03 looked the same width as Jay's who is known for his large calves. In some pics, his calves look even wider.





note: I'm not claiming that Ronnie's calves are bigger. My contention is that they are just as wide. Ronnie's calves do not protrude out the back of his leg like Dorian's and Jay's do.

[Iceman1981]

Deity,,,Everyone keeps proving it to you and you are to stupid to reliaze that.Open your eyes you idiot.

LOL

[suckmymuscle]

piss off, you dirty Mexican. I measured Ronnie's height using 2 different rulers and got the same figure.

  Ha ha ha ha ha ha...this coming from the fag who has already admitted to being partially Hispanic. Hilarious...

how convenient. You have a magical ruler which is always right, but you can't post a pic of it here.

  You measured Ronnie diagonally and not vertically. This means that you got a greater figure than you should. I compared my ruler to yours and I got 3.5 centimeters for 5 centimeters of yours. Your scale is off, SemenHole. You didn't measure Ronnie by placing the ruler on the top of his head and then measuring it down to his feet; you placed it on the side of his body and then slightly twitched the ruler diagonally to gget a greater figure than the corrct one. I should know: I've been dealing with your deceptiions for as long time now.

in case you forgot, I already invited everyone to measure for themselves. They can measure height while they're at it. I have nothing to be worried about since I know I'm right.

  Good. but you did forget to tell them to put the ruler in Ronnie's head and then make the ruler vertical in a perfect 90º to get the correct measure. You alos forgot to tell them to use a correct ruler and not a biased one.

wtf are you talking about? I held the ruler straight, you dumbass. Notice it lines up perfectly with the ruler I superimposed on the pic? You can even see part of my earlier post addressed to you in the top left hand corner. So you can't claim that I cheated and used a different comparison.

  The ruler is diagonal to Ronnie. That much is evident. This besides the fact that your ruler is screwed up adds up to a bullshit measure. Measuring from the sides is already incorrect, and puting it on angle only worsens your case.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

ha ha ha ha ha, Suckmyasshole has gone mad!!!

[suckmymuscle]

ha ha ha ha ha, Suckmyasshole has gone mad!!!

  Let's wait to see the measure that people get when they measure Ronnie in the way I say, with the ruler centered in his body and measuring from head to toes in a perfect 90º angle. They will get roughly 11 centimeters in measure. I am absolutely, positively certain that I'm correct. Let's see who is validated.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  Also notice that SemenHole hasn't addressed any of the points I raised about the inaccuracy of his comparison, focusing only on one point - one which is a lost cause for him.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian looks like a middleweight next to Ronnie in my comparison b/c he is being outweighed by 30 lbs. Of course he is going to look smaller. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. Paul Dillet makes Dorian look tiny here, and Paul is taller and weighs less than 03 Ronnie. If we use logical thinking, Ronnie will look even bigger next to Dorian.



I did prove Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorian's. Maybe not 95 Dorian or offseason Dorian, but certainly 93 Dorian. Ronnie's calves in 03 looked the same width as Jay's who is known for his large calves. In some pics, his calves look even wider.


note: I'm not claiming that Ronnie's calves are bigger. My contention is that they are just as wide. Ronnie's calves do not protrude out the back of his leg like Dorian's and Jay's do.

Dorian looks like a middleweight next to Ronnie in my comparison b/c he is being outweighed by 30 lbs. Of course he is going to look smaller. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. Paul Dillet makes Dorian look tiny here, and Paul is taller and weighs less than 03 Ronnie. If we use logical thinking, Ronnie will look even bigger next to Dorian.

So at least you admit he looks like a middleweight , and outweighing Dorian really doesn't mean he'd make him look like lets say ..............Dexter Jackson , hey wait a much heavy Ronnie Coleman ( in some poses ) couldn't dwarf Dexter Jackson and he's supposed to with Yates? Neo that makes no sense and couple that with the fact an IFBB judge has said much heavier men couldn't manage to dwarf Yates , now you posted a  strawman and that can be forgiven , pictures can be misleading and angles ect I'll take an eyewitness account from a credible source ( this case a IFBB judge ) over a pic and most of Ronnie's weights was in his quads/glutes/abdomen

I did prove Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorian's. Maybe not 95 Dorian or offseason Dorian, but certainly 93 Dorian. Ronnie's calves in 03 looked the same width as Jay's who is known for his large calves. In some pics, his calves look even wider.

Again look at the pics I posted of Ronnie 2003 where his calves most certainly don't appear 20" even taking into consideration his oversized quads and a pic of Ronnie & Jay where the width doesn't appear comparable

Dorian was 257 pounds in 93 and 260 pounds in 1995 the size of his calves wouldn't change in size worth noting between the years and again , your comparison is slanted heavily in Ronnie's favor and I don't feel thats an accurate depiction of how the two would look together especially when you take everything into consideration.