Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[RocketSwitch625]

What SemenHole fails to realise is some people set their monitor's screen resolution to the highest setting (1280x1024) which makes pictures smaller. Basically the higher the resolution the smaller the pictures appear on the screen. I think someone needs to get an education. PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D PWN£D

[Bear]

Haha, I was attempting to allude to the self-explanatory ownage Coleman is achieving in that comparison. They're the same height and same sized head but Coleman is beyond being the winner. You would have to scale the '03 pic down soo much before Dorian started winning. Even though it looks like your middle finger is disappearing up Dorian's arse he is clearly not 'obviously more balanced and proportioned' or whatever non-case ND thinks he is making when he says that.

[NeoSeminole]

What Sir NeoSeminole fails to realise is some people set their monitor's screen resolution to the highest setting (1280x1024) which makes pictures smaller. Basically the higher the resolution the smaller the pictures appear on the screen. I think someone needs to get an education. PWN£D

you do realize the same goes for Suckmyasshole?

[suckmymuscle]

spare me your 'holier-than-thou' attitude, you f*cking hypocrite. How come you kept your mouth shut when your fellow nuthuggers did the same?

  I think it's funny that you found that quotes so quickly. I guess that you have these quotes archived as soon as someone says it just so that youcan use it latter. How pathetic you are.

  And by the way, I only said that after you insulted me after I said that I was of Spanish descent, by saying how humilated you were that my ancestors came from Spain, which you claimed was also the homeland of your ancestors. I then insulted you back by pointing out that, unlike me, you are not a real Spaniard but a mestizo. So don't play innocent, because you're not.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[RocketSwitch625]

Haha, I was attempting to allude to the self-explanatory ownage Coleman is achieving in that comparison. They're the same height and same sized head but Coleman is beyond being the winner. You would have to scale the '03 pic down soo much before Dorian started winning. Even though it looks like your middle finger is disappearing up Dorian's arse he is clearly not 'obviously more balanced and proportioned' or whatever non-case ND thinks he is making when he says that.

But answer me this. What wins contests, size or quality?

[NarcissisticDeity]

how does that make me look stupid? You're posting again, aren't you? You've had plenty of time to go back and read the posts you missed. Let's assume you haven't yet (which I strongly doubt). Well, now is your chance to avoid looking like a hypocrite singling only me out.

Again you look stupid because you were under the impression I seen them and just knocked you for saying it , wrong period and who cares what you strongly doubt if you want my answer NO I haven't read all the posts since I've come back and again , and since I've been back you've called me a ' fagg@t ' out of frustration and Sucky a ' dirty Mexican ' I see a pattern of a sad boy angry because his point is being ridiculed and its wrong for ANYONE to say that shit , you or anyone else , and its pathetic that this is what this has turned into and I'm above it and you still owe me an apology . 

[Bear]

 Nothing said. Have you observed how Dorian is tiltied to the sides in that comparison? Have you noted how he twitched the ruler to the side? This comparison is not accurate because the only way to measure their heights accurately is to post the ruler on the top of their heads in a completely vertical 90º angle and then move down to theri toes from there. When you do this, you arrive at roughly 11 centimeters in height for Ronnie.

  In fact, even if SemenHole were correct about this - which he is not -, he still would be wrong. Why? Because the difference in forearm lengh is not 4 milimeters as he claims, but rather over 1 centimeter. Furthermore, he did not adjust his comparison for depth and camera angle, which mkaes it more innacurate. but how would you know? After all, you're a biased Ronnie guy just like SemenHole, so obviously you'll not admit this. I am going to take a pic of me measuring Ronnie in that pic, scan it and then post it here just so that SemenHole will shut up.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

How would I know? lol, how would you know? WTF? How can one of us know more than the other about a thing like that? lol, way to quote yourself btw.


And Rocketswitch what does it matter if the pic is small or big? If the comparison were projected on an infinitely large screen the difference would be infinite, but it isn't so it isn't. Ronnie is taller though in real life, do you know this?

[NeoSeminole]

Suckmyasshole, just give it up. I have proven you wrong on every claim.

I scaled them the exact same height to reduce error even though Ronnie is actually 1" taller.

[johnnytosh]

Bodybuilding is more than just having the largest-globulous-muscles. They must be "PRESENTED" properly to score points & win. Thats how the SCORE is kept. As we can see by this picture, Yates is the only person onstage hitting that pose perfectly. Coleman is hitting it, well........like a damn fool.  

Did Coleman end up being bigger? Yes. Can he beat Yates in a bodybuilding contest where they keep SCORE according to the rules? Probably not.  Lord knows Ronnie had alot of chances, and got SPANKED every time

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bodybuilding is more than just having the largest-globulous-muscles. They must be "PRESENTED" properly to score points & win. Thats how the SCORE is kept. As we can see by this picture, Yates is the only person onstage hitting that pose perfectly. Coleman is hitting it, well........like a damn fool. 

Did Coleman end up being bigger? Yes. Can he beat Yates in a bodybuilding contest where they keep SCORE according to the rules? Probably not.  Lord knows Ronnie had alot of chances, and got SPANKED every time

Great picture , Great post !

[Bear]

Yes, we all know '96 Ronnie looked like 2003 Ronnie plus Ronnie can actually just about hit a quarter turn you know, that pic does not mean he has never hit it right.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes, we all know '96 Ronnie looked like 2003 Ronnie plus Ronnie can actually just about hit a quarter turn you know, that pic does not mean he has never hit it right.

No his waist was trim in 96 and Ronnie never really improved in his mandatories , see his lack luster front latspread , side chest and side triceps , never a great poser.

[NeoSeminole]

No his waist was trim in 96 and Ronnie never really improved in his mandatories , see his lack luster front latspread , side chest and side triceps , never a great poser.

he looks decent here.

[Iceman1981]

Oh kid you're so full of nonsense , I've posted pictures and quotes that both confirm and verify after the fact too that Dorian has better balance & proportion , better conditioning , and better density , I alone posted the IFBB  criteria broke it down with pictures and backed it up with supporting quotes , give me a break

I'm still waiting for you to prove your claim Dorian should have lost in 1993/1994 that Dorian looks just as good in pictures & videos as he does in person , that the judges get paid , that Ronnie has better balance & proportion , that Peter McGough was wrong when he said Ronnie 1999 was not as hard or die as he was in 1998 , that Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time

you have NOT prove a damn thing , so put up of shut up , you post pics of Dorian 1996 compared to Ronnie 1999 doing a most muscular and claims see Ronnie is so much better , you Neo , pumpster and iceman are NOT in my league you've yet to counter my argument , once again put up of shut up kid 

The majority of people agree with us on this debate that Ronnie is better, polls or no polls. They look at the comparisons and give their opinion, but that is not enough for you.

[Hulkster]

The majority of people agree with us on this debate that Ronnie is better, polls or no polls. They look at the comparisons and give their opinion, but that is not enough for you.

exactly.

ND will cry 'ad populum' and say it is 'weak' because he is stupid, because he does not understand that the comparisons are very real and very compelling evidence for people who know about this sport and how it is judged.

 on the other hand, 12 year old irrelevant quotes from before Ronnie even placed in the top 15 of a contest are not compelling evidence...

[johnnytosh]

he looks decent here.

Not when you compare it to the King executing it perfectly.  Yates Front Lat with his SIGNATURE tilting of his head to the right side in a very regal-timeless look. His right foot also open and pointing in that same direction.  YATE's quads are unique & beautiful. They have great separation-but they stay aesthetic starting at the top, and as they go down towards hi knees, BOTH his Vastus muscles EXPLODE above the knee for a dramatic & beautiful look.
  Coleman on the other hand, his upper quads are to big & unshapely, because he OVERLOADED on squats his whole career.
    When you look at other aspects of the pose, Coleman hurts his look & his excellent musculature suffer.  A BODYBUILDING judge MUST give the entire pose to Yates...............And thats EXACTLY what they did for 6 years in a row

[NeoSeminole]

Not when you compare it to the King executing it perfectly.  Yates Front Lat with his SIGNATURE tilting of his head to the right side in a very regal-timeless look. His right foot also open and pointing in that same direction.  YATE's quads are unique & beautiful. They have great separation-but they stay aesthetic starting at the top, and as they go down towards hi knees, BOTH his Vastus muscles EXPLODE above the knee for a dramatic & beautiful look.

that's all fine and dandy if we were comparing 97 Dorian to 03 Ronnie, but we are comparing Dorian at his prime. This means either his 93 or 95 package depending on who you ask. Ronnie has a huge advantage in size, taper, and definition. Remember, Jay weighed the same as Dorian in the 2nd pic and he looks small next to Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

YATE's quads are unique & beautiful. They have great separation-but they stay aesthetic starting at the top, and as they go down towards hi knees, BOTH his Vastus muscles EXPLODE above the knee for a dramatic & beautiful look.

LOL

dorian's quads are famous for their LACK of seperation..and blob like appearence...

quads were never a strong point for the shadow.

calves, you bet.

but not quads:

when he flexes them, nothing happens in terms of seperation:

[NarcissisticDeity]

he looks decent here.

Decent compared to who? Jay ? Dex?  not Yates

[NarcissisticDeity]

The majority of people agree with us on this debate that Ronnie is better, polls or no polls. They look at the comparisons and give their opinion, but that is not enough for you.

Whoa a majority of people agree , then you all must be right  see the argument ad populum , Hulkster may be able to help you with he's been studying it .

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly.

ND will cry 'ad populum' and say it is 'weak' because he is stupid, because he does not understand that the comparisons are very real and very compelling evidence for people who know about this sport and how it is judged.

 on the other hand, 12 year old irrelevant quotes from before Ronnie even placed in the top 15 of a contest are not compelling evidence...

Hulkster hates the when I call him on his appeal to numbers because he knows its a weak argument , like most of his others like Dorian should have lost in 1993

First of all the comparisons are not real , no reality in them what so ever , they're made by biased Coleman fans you may find them compelling but that doesn't mean much and your opinions based on them are not evidence

Second of all the quote from Dorian Yates is from 2005 and it specifically compares to Ronnie and Dorian himself states he has better conditioning and balance and then a supplement with relevant facts from 12 years ago that have bearing always , such as Dorian's outstanding balance & proportion , his density and his legendary conditioning etc , couple with the fact that you cannot form an accurate opinion of Dorian Yates based on pictures and video , so once again leads back to your claim the comparisons are ' real ' lol

What are you left with? nothing ....you say old quotes are useless but only when the favor Yates any old quotes for Ronnie are great , typical hypocritical

my argument still stands and has yet to be countered

Dorian would beat Ronnie for the following reasons

Dorian has the edge in muscular bulk against Ronnie 1998/1999/2001 ( 260 pounds V 249/257/247 max )
Dorian has the edge in muscular density against Ronnie - All years
Dorian has the edge in muscle balance & proportion against Ronnie - All years ( post tear and all )
Dorian has the edge in conditioning against Ronnie - 1998 ( 1998/2001 Ronnie may have come close )
Dorian has the edge in posing & presentation against Ronnie - All years

couple all these together and there is a very high probability that Dorian would beat Ronnie any year you choose , including 2003 the only advantage Ronnie has in 2003 is more muscular bulk and not highly conditioned bulk to add , he's still behind in density , balance & proportion , conditioning and posing & presentation

none of you have yet to counter this argument , the criteria favors Dorian , your polls don't counter this , your slanted comparisons don't counter this , your delusions don't counter this , your fantasies don't counter this

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL

dorian's quads are famous for their LACK of seperation..and blob like appearence...

quads were never a strong point for the shadow.

calves, you bet.

but not quads:

when he flexes them, nothing happens in terms of seperation:

You were owned a very long time ago on Yates' quads by a person who seen Yates live , recall ? internet-fan-boy?

Quote Ironaman Jan 1995 former IFBB Judge Roger Schwab 1994 Mr Olympia

" Best Most Muscular - Yates. When he poses , everything explodes. "

" Best Chest - Yates and Levrone-torn pec and all. "

" Best Legs - Yates from top to bottom "

" Best Back - Yates. He has too much back to be compared. "

and I think the opinion of an IFBB judge crushes yours , walk away with your head down in shame now . 

[Get Rowdy]

I measured Ronnie in the comparision pic and got...


















10.5cm

[Hulkster]

What are you left with? nothing ....you say old quotes are useless but only when the favor Yates any old quotes for Ronnie are great , typical hypocritical

when was the last time you saw me post a quote you moron..

[Hulkster]

Whoa a majority of people agree , then you all must be right  see the argument ad populum , Hulkster may be able to help you with he's been studying it .

see how predicitible and stupid ND is?

I showed him to be a complete idiot when it comes to this technique and it went right over his head, like everything seems to do..

like the philosophers say, when many people agree who know what they are doing and have evidence to prove it, it is very strong evidence.

just because one or two nutcases do not agree does NOT mean that the argument is weak.

ND continues to say it is weak because he is stupid and does not understand.

Did you enroll in the remedial philosophy class yet ND?

Oh wait, they probably didn't let you in - marks not high enough LOL