Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

That makes 150 Woo posts so far about me with no punchline whatsoever bwhahahahahaahahahahah

Here's the bottom line kid.

The bottom line is you have nothing of substance with the sole exception of bias . 

[NeoSeminole]

Here are a few more from the same tape

do you have a clip from the video?

[Hulkster]

If I were yates I would never flex my arms to save the embarassment.

[pumpster]

The bottom line is you have nothing of substance with the sole exception of bias . 

Nothing post.

[WOOO]

That makes 150 Woo posts so far about me with no punchline whatsoever bwhahahahahaahahahahah

Here's the bottom line kid.

you are the punchline gramps

[NarcissisticDeity]

If I were yates I would never flex my arms to save the embarassment.

Wow Ronnie has better biceps , Dorian should have lost every Mr Olympia lmfao , your posts lack substance . run along .

[Hulkster]

Wow Ronnie has better biceps , Dorian should have lost every Mr Olympia lmfao , your posts lack substance . run along .

lol here I am posting proof after proof of the mediocrity of dorian's arm and you say MY posts lack substance?

Mr. Avoid Visual Support At All Costs?

 

[JediKnight]

Deity: Everyone agrees with Hulkster. Even the pro's. Give it up. Your wrong.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol here I am posting proof after proof of the mediocrity of dorian's arm and you say MY posts lack substance?

Mr. Avoid Visual Support At All Costs?

 

no , no Hulkster my friend what you posted is known as a strawman , see you post a couple of pics that are 1) not Yates at his prime , and 2 ) set up to favor your opinion and its pathetic as easily countered , your arguments are weak , they lack substance you should be ashamed to type and you're getting your ass kicked on here and the Arms thread lol whatever you do , don't meltdown again you've been through enough.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Deity: Everyone agrees with Hulkster. Even the pro's. Give it up. Your wrong.

See argument ad populum and then come back an apologize. 

[NeoSeminole]

See argument ad populum and then come back an apologize.

ha ha ha, you're a nobody on an internet bodybuilding forum. You have no credibility whatsoever - nothing - yet you think you are clever by using 'ad populum' as an excuse for why all the pros and magazine writers disagree with you. Get the f*ck out of here.

[Hulkster]

ha ha ha, you're a nobody on an internet bodybuilding forum. You have no credibility whatsoever - nothing - yet you think you are clever by using 'ad populum' as an excuse for why all the pros and magazine writers disagree with you. Get the f*ck out of here.

excellent post.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, you're a nobody on an internet bodybuilding forum. You have no credibility whatsoever - nothing - yet you think you are clever by using 'ad populum' as an excuse for why all the pros and magazine writers disagree with you. Get the f*ck out of here.

I notice you never responded to my post before ...you know the one you got demoralized on  again who's GetBig-Credibility am I looking for ? Hulksters ? pumpsters ? .....yours? 

I may noy know anything , I may know very little but one thing is certain I know a hell of a lot more than YOU and the other ignorant people who post along with you ( 95 isn't Yates prime ring a bell ? ) Neo you have nothing for me you have slanted comparisons , bias and ignorance you can't argue your point because you don't know the point , you don't know the criteria ( even after I shared it with you ) you create these abortions called comparisons and then proceed to base an opinion on them , you're an idiot and thats being kind

whenever anyone says " everyone agrees " on a subjective matter they are appealing to the masses , again it doesn't matter if all the writers agree , all the competitors , all the internet nut-huggers it doesn't mean its true , learn this

You're not in my league kid come back when your knowledge has grown maybe I'll give you another shot to play in the big leagues.

[JediKnight]

Deity: 99 people out 100 agree with Hulkster. Your the black sheep. The freak. If this were 100 years ago, we would accuse you of being a witch, and drown you.

[pumpster]

Deity: Everyone agrees with Hulkster. Even the pro's. Give it up. Your wrong.

hahahahaha more humiliation

[pumpster]

You have no credibility whatsoever - nothing - yet you think you are clever by using 'ad populum' as an excuse for why all the pros and magazine writers disagree with you. Get the f*ck out of here.

Agreed; the deluded are the last to get it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Deity: 99 people out 100 agree with Hulkster. Your the black sheep. The freak. If this were 100 years ago, we would accuse you of being a witch, and drown you.

Wow then I guess those 99 people are right  99 people told Galileo he was wrong , I guess they were right too huh? spare me the argument ad populum its retard logic for slow adults .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Agreed; the deluded are the last to get it.

lmfao monster irony 

[NeoSeminole]

I notice you never responded to my post before ...you know the one you got demoralized on  again who's GetBig-Credibility am I looking for ? Hulksters ? pumpsters ? .....yours?

I didn't respond earlier b/c your post doesn't merit a response from me. I'm tired of refuting you over and over, only for you to post the same bullshit again. You seem to think getting the last word makes you right no matter how dumb you sound. I will respond when you actually make an intelligent post.

I may noy know anything , I may know very little but one thing is certain I know a hell of a lot more than YOU and the other ignorant people who post along with you ( 95 isn't Yates prime ring a bell ? ) Neo you have nothing for me you have slanted comparisons , bias and ignorance you can't argue your point because you don't know the point , you don't know the criteria ( even after I shared it with you ) you create these abortions called comparisons and then proceed to base an opinion on them , you're an idiot and thats being kind

I guarantee that you don't know more about how bodybuilding contests are judged. I've listened to your pathetic arguments for the past year. I've watched you contradict yourself with pics. You are just too prideful to admit you are wrong. You are so delusional that you convinced yourself you are right and the professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and hundreds of people who voted in online polls are all wrong.

whenever anyone says " everyone agrees " on a subjective matter they are appealing to the masses , again it doesn't matter if all the writers agree , all the competitors , all the internet nut-huggers it doesn't mean its true , learn this

I never said they are right by virtue of sheer numbers agreeing with each other. My point is there must be truth to what they say if so many people who all have far more credibility than you agree Ronnie at his prime is the best ever. Listening to you is like listening to a brainwashed fundie argue that just b/c evolution is accepted by the majority of the scientific community doesn't make it any more factual than creationism.

You're not in my league kid come back when your knowledge has grown maybe I'll give you another shot to play in the big leagues.

you're right about one thing. I'm not in your lowly league. I've surpassed you, old man. I'm much smarter and more knowledgeable about bodybuilding criteria than you. It must vex you to be outdone by a 22 yr old kid.

[Hulkster]

Wow then I guess those 99 people are right  99 people told Galileo he was wrong , I guess they were right too huh? spare me the argument ad populum its retard logic for slow adults .

ND, you still don't understand that credible evidence that is agreed upon by knowledge people is NOT a simple case of the ad populum argument. It is a NON FALLLICIOUS CASE OF THE ARGUMENT. read this part again.

 Fallicious Ad populum arguments are where many people believe something that has no real and credible evidence, such as UFO's, Angels and the like.

the fact that other people happen to believe them is the ONLY "EVIDENCE" they have in support of the particular conclusion.

hence, the FALLACY. the weak argument.

that is NOT what is happening here.

Its sad that you are simply not intelligent enough to understand the difference.

no doubt you will just keep saying 'ad populum' over and over again.

I cannot waste anymore time trying to teach you simple philosophy like this.

you just don't get it, and may never get it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I didn't respond earlier b/c your post doesn't merit a response from me. I'm tired of refuting you over and over, only for you to post the same bullshit again. You seem to think getting the last word makes you right no matter how dumb you sound. I will respond when you actually make an intelligent post.

I guarantee that you don't know more about how bodybuilding contests are judged. I've listened to your pathetic arguments for the past year. I've watched you contradict yourself with pics. You are just too prideful to admit you are wrong. You are so delusional that you convinced yourself you are right and the professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and hundreds of people who voted in online polls are all wrong.

I never said they are right by virtue of sheer numbers agreeing with each other. My point is there must be truth to what they say if so many people who all have far more credibility than you agree Ronnie at his prime is the best ever. Listening to you is like listening to a brainwashed fundie argue that just b/c evolution is accepted by the majority of the scientific community doesn't make it any more factual than creationism.

you're right about one thing. I'm not in your lowly league. I've surpassed you, old man. I'm much smarter and more knowledgeable about bodybuilding criteria than you. It must vex you to be outdone by a 22 yr old kid.

I didn't respond earlier b/c your post doesn't merit a response from me. I'm tired of refuting you over and over, only for you to post the same bullshit again. You seem to think getting the last word makes you right no matter how dumb you sound. I will respond when you actually make an intelligent post.

You're an odd person and I'll tell you why , because you complain about responding to me when I make an ' intelligent post ' and then respond anyway lol and you didn't refute a God damn thing lol you didn't refute that Dorian's best showing was 1995 , you didn't refute Ronnie's best showing was 2001 and NOT 2003 , you didn't refute that Dorian does indeed look just as good in person as he does in print or video , you didn't refute ANYTHING you got silenced period and it has nothing to do with the last word , just the right word .

I guarantee that you don't know more about how bodybuilding contests are judged. I've listened to your pathetic arguments for the past year. I've watched you contradict yourself with pics. You are just too prideful to admit you are wrong. You are so delusional that you convinced yourself you are right and the professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and hundreds of people who voted in online polls are all wrong.

Oh more Neo-sense ( nonsense  ) you my friend DON'T KNOW ANYTHING period , easily proven , you though balance & proportion were the same thing , you think definition is NOT conditioning , you think Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian ( oh boy lol ) you think Ronnie is more muscular than Dorian despite being 13 pounds lighter ( 2001 V 1995 ) I mean what the fuck ? you've argued Ronnie has a better side chest and side triceps than Dorian , easily proven wrong with quotes and pictures , you think your comparisons are accurate I mean what the fuck do you honestly know? seriously and I never said I'm right over writers and professional bodybuilders I said I disagree with their opinion , hundreds of people who voted online?  give me a break , I'll be the first to admit I may be wrong about Dorian beating Ronnie ( something you people can't do ) however I don't care how many people agree it still does NOT make it so , its way to subjective a topic for anyone to know , so anyone who used the argument ad populum as ' proof ' will be ridiculed for appealing to the masses

And the irony of you claiming my arguments have been proven wrong , you've yet to prove that Ronnie has better balance & proportion ( I have Dorian himself saying he batter balance and Priest when directly compared to Ronnie couple that with an IFBB judge talking about his outstanding balance & proportion )

You've yet to prove that Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian ( again I have a quote from Dorian specifically stating he has better conditioning than Ronnie )

You've yet to prove 1995 isn't his prime , when I have two people who say it is

You've yet to prove that 2003 is Ronnie's prime , when you have McGough specifically stating 2001 is

You've yet to prove Ronnie has better density than Yates

You've yet to prove Ronnie is a better poser than Dorian in terms of making the maximum effect in the mandatory poses , I have Shawn Ray specifically stating Ronnie Coleman's side chest and side triceps poses leave a lot to be desired

You've yet to prove Ronnie has a better side chest than Dorian and I have Ronnie specifically stating Dorian had the best side chest he's ever seen

You've yet to prove Ronnie has the better back than Yates , I have Ronnie saying himself Yates has a better back , so Samir Bannout

You've yet to prove Dorian should have lost in 1994 ( if you never claimed this I apologize in advance )

You've yet to prove Dorian does look just as good in person as he does in pictures and video , I have McGough , Roger Schwab ( IFBB Judge ) and others who all say the same

please spare me your empty claim of you proved anything wrong because thats easily remedy , your homemade abortions called ' comparisons ' are NOT proof of anything with the exception of delusion and bias , and any opinion formed on them will be dismissed and ridiculed

I never said they are right by virtue of sheer numbers agreeing with each other. My point is there must be truth to what they say if so many people who all have far more credibility than you agree Ronnie at his prime is the best ever. Listening to you is like listening to a brainwashed fundie argue that just b/c evolution is accepted by the majority of the scientific community doesn't make it any more factual than creationism.

Man this is going to get worse for you lol its just NOT your night kid , again your assumption is because so many agree with it it must have some validity and its NOT true , the minority rule ( litterally ) in competitive bodybuilding and lets says the majority agree Dorian Yates should have lost in 1994 means that it has validity and the judges were WRONG , the masses are right , classic argument ad populum it holds NO truth just because an opinion is popular doesn't mean its true the numbers only mean its popular and no one is arguing it's not popular just not proof of any truth

and man you picked a bad fucking analogy lol the difference is Evolution is a provable FACT its not an opinion its provable there is evidence for it , creationism is junk-science it offers NO proof their theory isn't testable , provable its nonsense , evolution is more factual because there is mountians of evidence that supports it and while its NOT proveable in the lab on a macro-level it is testable in the micro-level , creation ism is based on the bible lol they have theories that directly contradict science and offer NO proof what so ever of their claims , they lost to evolution already in the courts , bad bad analogy lol

you're right about one thing. I'm not in your lowly league. I've surpassed you, old man. I'm much smarter and more knowledgeable about bodybuilding criteria than you. It must vex you to be outdone by a 22 yr old kid.

Nice attempt at playing my game kid  but remember its still MY game lol Neo I've had to explain amy thing to you about competitive bodybuilding , you still have NOT counter my arguments of why Dorian would beat Ronnie you just haven't ( see above ) you never knew about the IFBB criteria until I posted it for you ( proof you're not as knowledgeable as me  ) and once I posted it you couldn't apply or decipher it , you thought ( wrong I might add , proven by me  ) balance & proportion were the same thing , that Dorian's prime was 1992 ( lmfao ) then again its all above , your ignorances are all pointed out , no point in kicking a dog when he's down

and you're 22 WoW you were born about the time I picked up my first bodybuilding magazine , and that same month I bought Arnold's encyclopeida of modern bodybuilding ( and read it 5 times that year alone ) I've read more magazines , more books on the subject than you have and I retained a LOT of information you never learned  I have a huge head start on you and its obvious you haven't even started yet lol so when you prove your points maybe you'll be taken a tad more seriously but in all honesty you haven't proved anything except your ignorance , in closing Neo don't break your arm patting yourself on the back because you have a lot of reading to do before you can stand next to me !

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you still don't understand that credible evidence that is agreed upon by knowledge people is NOT a simple case of the ad populum argument. It is a NON FALLLICIOUS CASE OF THE ARGUMENT. read this part again.

 Fallicious Ad populum arguments are where many people believe something that has no real and credible evidence, such as UFO's, Angels and the like.

the fact that other people happen to believe them is the ONLY "EVIDENCE" they have in support of the particular conclusion.

hence, the FALLACY. the weak argument.

that is NOT what is happening here.

Its sad that you are simply not intelligent enough to understand the difference.

no doubt you will just keep saying 'ad populum' over and over again.

I cannot waste anymore time trying to teach you simple philosophy like this.

you just don't get it, and may never get it.

Yawn you are soundly defeated in your poor attempt to salvage your argument ad populum POPULAR OPINION IS NOT FACT know this , it doesn't matter how many people agree your argument that many agree is proof , it  is NOT proof , its proof of one thing its a POPULAR OPINION nothing more no one is arguing that Ronnie being better than Dorian is a popular opinion just thats its NOT a fact that he's better

[NeoSeminole]

You're an odd person and I'll tell you why , because you complain about responding to me when I make an ' intelligent post ' and then respond anyway lol

you didn't make any sense with that sentence.

and you didn't refute a God damn thing lol you didn't refute that Dorian's best showing was 1995 , you didn't refute Ronnie's best showing was 2001 and NOT 2003 , you didn't refute that Dorian does indeed look just as good in person as he does in print or video , you didn't refute ANYTHING you got silenced period and it has nothing to do with the last word , just the right word.

more gibberish. Wtf are you talking about?

Oh more Neo-sense ( nonsense) you my friend DON'T KNOW ANYTHING period , easily proven , you though balance & proportion were the same thing,

they are. Look them up. Spare me your poor excuse about this being bodybuilding so therefore they mean totally different things.

you think definition is NOT conditioning,

show me where I said this. I recall saying definition is a sign of good conditioning.

you think Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian ( oh boy lol )

way to take my quote out of context, you dipshit. I said Ronnie has better balance and proportion depending on which versions we are comparing. 

you think Ronnie is more muscular than Dorian despite being 13 pounds lighter ( 2001 V 1995 ) I mean what the fuck

oh dear, it doesn't look too good for you.

you've argued Ronnie has a better side chest and side triceps than Dorian , easily proven wrong with quotes and pictures,

Ronnie does have a better side chest. I never said he beats Dorian in the side triceps. You can stop lying now, mmkay?

blah blah blah

I got tired of responding to your bullshit. So I decided to stop reading here.

[pumpster]

ND's misapplication of ad populum while trying desperately to impress is reminiscent of Mike Tyson's mangling of big words LOL in ND's case his equivalent to verbal diahhrea amounts to pablum, not ad populum.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you didn't make any sense with that sentence.

more gibberish. Wtf are you talking about?

they are. Look them up. Spare me your poor excuse about this being bodybuilding so therefore they mean totally different things.

show me where I said this. I recall saying definition is a sign of good conditioning.

way to take my quote out of context, you dipshit. I said Ronnie has better balance and proportion depending on which versions we are comparing. 

oh dear, it doesn't look too good for you.



Ronnie does have a better side chest. I never said he beats Dorian in the side triceps. You can stop lying now, mmkay?

I got tired of responding to your bullshit. So I decided to stop reading here.

you didn't make any sense with that sentence.

Okay let me try again you said the reason you didn't respond to my original post was

I didn't respond earlier b/c your post doesn't merit a response from me. I'm tired of refuting you over and over, only for you to post the same bullshit again. You seem to think getting the last word makes you right no matter how dumb you sound. I will respond when you actually make an intelligent post.

and then what do you do? you respond to my post anyway and the reason you didn't respond to my original post is because you were made to look very stupid , you didn't respond to my original post because ( according to you) it didn't merit one but you responded to me anyway so you end up looking stupid declaring you're not going to respond to me by responding to me

more gibberish. Wtf are you talking about?

No , not more gibberish , you said you were tired of refuting me , you've yet to refute anything I've said , its an empty claim on your behalf . I've made a bunch of claims that you can't refute and why? because you're ignorant you claim to know more about competitive bodybuilding then me and you don't case in point

I say Dorian's prime showings are either 1993 or 1995 and I backed up my claim with quotes from Dorian Yates , Peter McGough and Lee Priest you were way off the mark , how can you know more about competitive bodybuilding than me when you can't figure out which year is his prime ? 1992 ring a bell? Dorian was very depleted in 1992 and sacrificed a lot of size , so this prove my point you don't know more than me about competitive bodybuilding than me  

I say 2003 isn't Ronnie's prime showing I back this up with a quote from Peter McGough specifically stating 2001 is his best showing , once again this proves my point you don't know more than me about competitive bodybuilding than me  

I say Dorian has better balance & proportion than Ronnie you say NO Ronnie does depending on the year  oh boy lol again I back up my claim with a quote from Dorian Yates specifically stating he has better balance when directly compared to Ronnie Coleman , and I back it up even further with a quote Lee Priest that again states directly compared to Ronnie , Dorian has better balance again this  proves my point you don't know more than me about competitive bodybuilding than me  
I don't need to continue I mean you still are off the mark you don't know as much as I do no matter how much you think you do you're proven wrong by me period , much to learn young padawan

they are. Look them up. Spare me your poor excuse about this being bodybuilding so therefore they mean totally different things.

They're not the same as much as you'd like to think they are please see the following quote from 6 time Mr Olympia Dorian Yates

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.

Do I need to continue ? once again this  proves my point you don't know more than me about competitive bodybuilding than me 

show me where I said this. I recall saying definition is a sign of good conditioning.

Again definition is an old term , its not used anymore , case in point when Ronnie lost to Jay last year they didn't say he lost because his definition was off , his conditioning was off . and definition isn't always a good sign of conditioning one can have striations and still be holding water , one can still have very defined muscles and still be covered in a light film of water , so definition is not how contests are won its the state of being bone dry & rock hard no fat and no water

way to take my quote out of context, you dipshit. I said Ronnie has better balance and proportion depending on which versions we are comparing.

I hate to break this to you kid , Ronnie NEVER had better balance & proportion compared to Dorian  and you just claimed balance & proportion are the same thing yet type the two as separate entities lol , it doesn't matter what version it is when compared to a prime Dorian ( 1993/1995 ) Ronnie's physique has structual flaws that are GENETIC his torso is short , his legs & arms are to big for his torso , he doesn't have great proportion between his muscle groups and his gigantic ass that you can actually see from the front  !! I mean WTF lol

I'm not sure what year you think he has better balance I hope its when he's lighter lol because 2003 was his worse for balance & proportion , when Ronnie was lighter his balance & proportion was better FOR HIS PHYSIQUE its certainly not in Dorian's league let me sum this up with a quote from an IFBB judge ( and see above for Yates & Priest both saying he has better balance when directly compared to Ronnie )

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


Flex magazine Dec 1995

' a load of massive parts just thrown together ' see Ronnie Coleman 

oh dear, it doesn't look too good for you.

No it doesn't look good for you my ignorant little friend and why? because this was supposed to be some sort of ' proof ' and its been addressed a while ago this doesn't prove a thing and why? did you happen to see the question mark at the end of the sentence ? ( ? ) it was posed as a question NOT a declaration of a fact and its still just an opinion open for a debate and yes someone has displayed a " more muscular ( Dorian Yates 1995 Mr Olympia 260 pounds ) more shredded ( Perhaps equal on shredded and thats being fair ) higher-quality physique ( Yates is equal in terms of quality in 93/95 ) so much for that quote

and how is this quote supposed to back up your claim of Ronnie being more muscular? despite weighing anywhere from 13-16 pounds less ( even entertaining it was true ) it doesn't , it can't lol this once again shows how little you know compared to me

Ronnie does have a better side chest. I never said he beats Dorian in the side triceps. You can stop lying now, mmkay?

Wow Ronnie does have a better side chest huh? that was just an empty fucking claim based on nothing , he he he now you're not even trying I can back up my claim

Ronald Dean Coleman on Dorian Yates

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Shawn Ray on Ronnie Coleman's side chest


Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right

I mean this  proves my point you don't know more than me about competitive bodybuilding than me 

And as far as the side triceps at least you're willing to admit that , to spare yourself further embarrassment

I got tired of responding to your bullshit. So I decided to stop reading here.

No you cherry picked the things you thought ( not much thought went into it ) defend and gave up on the rest and not bull shit Neo I proved my point you don't know more than me about competitive bodybuilding  ( See above ) please refrain from saying so , the fact that you feel comfortable typing that knowing full well its simply not true speaks volumes of your intellectual integrity , so do your self a huge favor and do some research before you type lol it may help the case you're trying to argue ( see evolution V creationism lol ) so in closing let me reiterate my point , you don't know more than me about competitive bodybuilding , and you've yet to counter my point that Dorian would beat Ronnie ( depending on the year ) because he has an advantages in size , condition , density , balance & proportion and a mastery of the mandatory poses and just based on your ignorance it doesn't look like you're going to counter it any time soon lol