Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL

and there you have the key differences between ronnie and dorian:

ronnie has detailed and shapely pecs, cut quads, shapely, detailed and vascular arms.

dorian has no detail anywhere except for the chest, and a calf that overpowers the entire shot. His flexed quad is an embarassment to Mr. Olympia's everywhere. Looks like a blob in comparison to Ronnie's quality.

dorian = more mass, poor quality.

ronnie  = quality, shape along with size, a combo dorian could never ever match.

Please prove your empty claim Dorian has poor quality ( rhetorical )

[NeoSeminole]

Peter McGough

"These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."

Maybe you missed that

last time I checked, conditioning encompasses more than just dryness; not to mention the person you quoted went on to say Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. So one of us is wrong and it's not me.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian has the clear advantage in muscular bulk , the clear advantage in muscle density , the clear advantage in muscle balance and proportion , Dorian has the advantage in conditioning (   "These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows." )

Ronnie has nothing for Dorian in any pose overall Dorian has the clear advantages according to the IFBB criteria , check mate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

last time I checked, conditioning encompasses more than just dryness; not to mention the person you quoted went on to say Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. So one of us is wrong and it's not me.

Last time you checked you thought balance & proportion were the same  shows how little you know . and conditioning isn't subjective , McGough's opinion Ronnie 2001 would be unbeatable is subjective its open for debate its not a fact , Lee Priest says Dorian would win I don't use that as a fact it carries just as much weight as the McGough quote so just when you think you made some ground you got pushed back down 

[NeoSeminole]

Last time you checked you thought balance & proportion were the same

they do mean the same, you dipshit. I asked you to prove me wrong using the dictionary. If there is a separate definition for bodybuilding, then it will be mentioned in there like they always do.

conditioning isn't subjective , McGough's opinion Ronnie 2001 would be unbeatable is objective its open for debate its not a fact , Lee Priest says Dorian would win I don't use that as a fact it carries just as much weight as the McGough quote so just when you think you made some ground you got pushed back down

conditioning is objective. I can see with my own eyes that 01 ASC Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ronnie carried overall less body fat and water. Ronnie displayed the same trademarks as Dorian - insanely detailed back, prominent cheekbones, grainy skin - and then some.

[Hulkster]

Please prove your empty claim Dorian has poor quality ( rhetorical )

empy claim?

no detail in the arms.

no detail in the delts

no detail at all in the quads.

poor shape to the arms

poor shape to the delts.

calves way too big for physique..

hell, even the calves don't exactly have a great razor sharp diamond shape. looks like a blob - just like most of dorian's physique..

need I go on?

 

[pumpster]

which one do you think is better in bed?

Trust me, ND's considered this carefully in a stated preference for "handsome white BBs" 

[pumpster]

Dorian has the clear advantage in muscular bulk

LOL self-ownage at it's best. What a clown.

[NeoSeminole]

seriously, this is just plain retarded that ND thinks Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.

[The_One77]

Dorian crushes Ronnie in this shot in this year ! absolutely makes him look like a lightweight !

Lol, how can you say Dorian makes Ronnie look like a lightweight when Ronnie has quads and arms far larger than Dorian's?
Ronnie owns Dorian, especially in 03....no bodypart of Dorian's can come close, only conditioning

[NarcissisticDeity]

they do mean the same, you dipshit. I asked you to prove me wrong using the dictionary. If there is a separate definition for bodybuilding, then it will be mentioned in there like they always do.

conditioning is objective. I can see with my own eyes that 01 ASC Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ronnie carried overall less body fat and water. Ronnie displayed the same trademarks as Dorian - insanely detailed back, prominent cheekbones, grainy skin - and then some.

they do mean the same, you dipshit. I asked you to prove me wrong using the dictionary. If there is a separate definition for bodybuilding, then it will be mentioned in there like they always do.

wow I guess Dorian and I are ' dip shits ' Neo you're defeated plain & simple

nterview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.

conditioning is objective. I can see with my own eyes that 01 ASC Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ronnie carried overall less body fat and water. Ronnie displayed the same trademarks as Dorian - insanely detailed back, prominent cheekbones, grainy skin - and then some.

One you're basing your opinion on Dorian's conditioning on an inaccurate means see the many quotes of how Yates looks light years ahead of the way he looks in pictures and video , so for you to ascertain his level of conditioning based on a inaccurate means shows you're not interested in accuracy and you're letting bias guide your thought process ( see your comparisons as well )

and while I'm sure you really believe Ronnie 2001 has less body fat and water that doesn't mean anything , I wasn't there and neither were you so we have to take it on authority of other who were , namely Dorian who said he has better conditioning , and Priest and Peter Mcgough who said


  "These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."

See Neo I think 2001 Ronnie was as dry and hard as a bodybuilder gets , the same with Dorian 1995 , please don't confuse more striations than Dorian as ' proof ' he's better conditioned its NOT striations are genetic

You really haven't made your case , especially not in the light of the above . nice try though . 

[NarcissisticDeity]

seriously, this is just plain retarded that Peter McGough thinks Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.

See how stupid that looks? 

[pumpster]

Lol, how can you say Dorian makes Ronnie look like a lightweight when Ronnie has quads and arms far larger than Dorian's?
Ronnie owns Dorian, especially in 03....no bodypart of Dorian's can come close, only conditioning

Pssst ND departed reality around page 2, the posts since then have been a hodge-podge of back-slapping & congrats between him and assorted dweebs with little basis in fact.

Essentially endless babbling & empty debate-i for one *do* enjoy watching them swim in circles using one leg.

[The_One77]

Dorian has the clear advantage in muscular bulk , the clear advantage in muscle density , the clear advantage in muscle balance and proportion

Muscular Bulk?....Yeh, a huge waistline, big back, worst IFBB arms out of any Olympia Champion and small quads.
Let's face it, you have to put the mass in the right places and all Dorian managed to do was put mass on his back and waistline on his reign as champion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lol, how can you say Dorian makes Ronnie look like a lightweight when Ronnie has quads and arms far larger than Dorian's?
Ronnie owns Dorian, especially in 03....no bodypart of Dorian's can come close, only conditioning

Dorian at 260 pounds in 1995 would make Ronnie 2001 look like a lightweight  and you don't know if his quads and arms are ' far larger ' than Dorians unless the two were side by side at those exact years , so spare me the blanket statement

and typical noob its NOT about bigger bodyparts , its about , balance & proportion ( see Dorian ) Density ( see Dorian ) conditioning ( see Dorian ) and muscular size ( see Dorian over Ronnie 2001 ) couple that with posing ( see Dorian ) and no matter how many bigger parts Ronnie has that doesn't mean they add up to the superior total .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Muscular Bulk?....Yeh, a huge waistline, big back, worst IFBB arms out of any Olympia Champion and small quads.
Let's face it, you have to put the mass in the right places and all Dorian managed to do was put mass on his back and waistline on his riegn as champion.

Huge waistline? lol the irony you typed those words lol do I really need to continue?

[NeoSeminole]

Muscular Bulk?....Yeh, a huge waistline, big back, worst IFBB arms out of any Olympia Champion and small quads.
Let's face it, you have to put the mass in the right places and all Dorian managed to do was put mass on his back and waistline on his reign as champion.

exactly, mass for the sake of mass doesn't make one a better bodybuilder. You have to carry it in all the right places. Ronnie had bigger arms, bigger delts, bigger pecs, bigger quads, and a smaller waist.

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly, mass for the sake of mass doesn't make one a better bodybuilder. You have to carry it in all the right places. Ronnie had bigger arms, bigger delts, bigger pecs, bigger quads, and a smaller waist.

He also had piss poor balance & proportion a collection of impressive parts lets crush your fantasy with the help of an IFBB judge 

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .



Wow it just got real quite in here 

[The_One77]

Dorian at 260 pounds in 1995 would make Ronnie 2001 look like a lightweight  and you don't know if his quads and arms are ' far larger ' than Dorians unless the two were side by side at those exact years , so spare me the blanket statement

and typical noob its NOT about bigger bodyparts , its about , balance & proportion ( see Dorian ) Density ( see Dorian ) conditioning ( see Dorian ) and muscular size ( see Dorian over Ronnie 2001 ) couple that with posing ( see Dorian ) and no matter how many bigger parts Ronnie has that doesn't mean they add up to the superior total .

look at the pictures i posted side by side, particularly the FDB shot....Dorian absouletly without a doubt gets blown out of the water and Ronnie was considered small in that picture
It dosent take a genius to know that Dorian's quads and arms were inferior to Ronnie's, its simply common sense. Also about proportion, Dorians waist to hip Ratio does not come close to Ronnies and his arms are too small for his back.

[NeoSeminole]

Huge waistline? lol the irony you typed those words lol do I really need to continue?

oh brother, here we go again.

[NarcissisticDeity]

look at the pictures i posted side by side, particularly the FRB....Dorian absouletly without a doubt gets blown out of the water and Ronnie was considered small in that picture
It dosent take a genius to know that Dorian's quads and arms were inferior to Ronnie's, its simply common sense. Also about proportion, Dorians waist to hip Ratio does not come close to Ronnies and his arms are too small for his back.

Again please stop trying to amass parts that equal a better whole thats NOT how it works , there is criteria and Dorian satisfies it better than Ronnie .

And this comment is from an IFBB judge I suppose you now know more than an IFBB judge 

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh brother, here we go again.

Typical Coleman fan bragging about Ronnie's waistline that myth is easily crushed and no one is bragging about Dorian's svelete waistline , so your response was all for not , again nice try 

[NarcissisticDeity]

No , No according to Neo 2003 is Ronnnie's prime lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

I mean this is his prime? lmfao

[NarcissisticDeity]

Neo I thought ( according to you ) Ronnie didn't show any distention what so ever in the mandatory poses? lol