Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

lame, all you did was post the worst shots of Ronnie you could find. Following your logic, 95 was far from Dorian's best year since his midsection looked atrocious.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lame, all you did was post the worst shots of Ronnie you could find. Following your logic, 95 was far from Dorian's best year since his midsection looked atrocious.

His midsection when held tight was a whole different matter  and unlike Ronnie he had the conditioning in 95 V 2003

and McGough has said that 95 was his prime I suppose he was wrong huh? 

[The_One77]

Again please stop trying to amass parts that equal a better whole thats NOT how it works , there is criteria and Dorian satisfies it better than Ronnie .

Are you just plain ignorant?

A bodybuilder who has a 34 inch waistline with 23 inch arms has better proportion in comparison to a bodybuilder with a 34 inch waistline with 21 inch arms. Yes the size of the bodypart is not always better but in correlation to the others it is very important.
The Dorian of 1995 would of been too small for the Ronnie of 2003, giving up to almost 30lbs of muscle.

[pumpster]

Dorian at 260 pounds in 1995 would make Ronnie 2001 look like a lightweight  and you don't know if his quads and arms are ' far larger ' than Dorians unless the two were side by side at those exact years , so spare me the blanket statement

More emptiness AKA debating over nothingness.

Here Coleman at a lighter weight already dominating Yates in size & taper, side-by side. 

Prediction: ND will attempt to change the subject by mentioning the placings of that contest, which do not erase the reality here: Yates overwhelmed even by a lighter Coleman.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Are you just plain ignorant?

A bodybuilder who has a 34 inch waistline with 23 inch arms has better proportion in comparison to a bodybuilder with a 34 inch waistline with 21 inch arms. Yes the size of the bodypart is not always better but in correlation to the others it is very important.
The Dorian of 1995 would of been too small for the Ronnie of 2003, giving up to almost 30lbs of muscle.

The ONLY and I repeat ONLY advantage Ronnie 2003 has on Dorian is size and its not greatly conditioned size either , because he was much harder & drier when he was lighter and Dorian still has the advantage in balance & proportion , 2003 Ronnie's balance & proportion was at its all-time worse period . Yates still has density , and he's a better poser , whats that leave Ronnie with ? 30 more softer pounds  Oh boy and Dorian's never beat anyone bigger than himself ( see Nasser El Sonbaty at almost the same weight as Ronnie 2003 at 285 pounds )

[NarcissisticDeity]

More emptiness AKA debating over nothingness.

Here Coleman at a lighter weight already dominating Yates in size & taper, side-by side. 

Prediction: ND will attempt to change the subject by mentioning the placings of that contest, which do not erase the reality here: Yates overwhelmed even by a lighter Coleman.

lmfao overwhelmed I'll leave that to stand on its own lol

[NeoSeminole]

His midsection when held tight was a whole different matter and unlike Ronnie he had the conditioning in 95 V 2003

spare me your queer winking. You think you're making a clever retort but all you succeed in doing is making yourself look even dumber, which is quite the feat I must say. No shit Dorian's midsection looks different when held tight. The same goes for Ronnie, you moron. Posting the worst pics you can find only demonstrates how poor your arguing skills are. It's basically like saying "I have no material of my own to show why I'm right so instead I will show why you're wrong." You complain the quality of this thread has gone to shit when you are the worst offender of them all.

and McGough has said that 95 was his prime I suppose he was wrong huh?

I will gladly accept Peter McGough's comment about 95 being Dorian's prime if you accept that 01 ASC Ronnie is unbeatable. I'm merely following your lead of picking which quotes to use.

[The_One77]

More emptiness AKA debating over nothingness.

Here Coleman at a lighter weight already dominating Yates in size & taper, side-by side. 

Prediction: ND will attempt to change the subject by mentioning the placings of that contest, which do not erase the reality here: Yates overwhelmed even by a lighter Coleman.

This picture pretty much disproves the myth of Dorian having better proportion, Ronnie has a back just as wide as Dorian, larger arms and bigger legs and a waistline just as small.
So why exactly does Dorian have better proportion?

[NarcissisticDeity]

spare me your queer winking. You think you're making a clever retort but all you succeed in doing is making yourself look even dumber, which is quite the feat I must say. No shit Dorian's midsection looks different when held tight. The same goes for Ronnie, you moron. Posting the worst pics you can find only demonstrates how poor your arguing skills are. It's basically like saying "I have no material of my own to show why I'm right so instead I will show why you're wrong." You complain the quality of this thread has gone to shit when you are the worst offender of them all.

I will gladly accept Peter McGough's comment about 95 being Dorian's prime if you accept that 01 ASC Ronnie is unbeatable. I'm merely following your lead of picking which quotes to use.

spare me your queer winking. You think you're making a clever retort but all you succeed in doing is making yourself look even dumber, which is quite the feat I must say. No shit Dorian's midsection looks different when held tight. The same goes for Ronnie, you moron. Posting the worst pics you can find only demonstrates how poor your arguing skills are. It's basically like saying "I have no material of my own to show why I'm right so instead I will show why you're wrong." You complain the quality of this thread has gone to shit when you are the worst offender of them all.

Again my post was a reaction to the one where someone says Dorian's gut , blah , blah , blah , I can play that game to , they think if they type Yates has a gut it means something , Ronnie's is the worse by far and NO you people are infamous for posting slanted comparisons when I do so its giving you a taste of your own medicine , nice try though

I will gladly accept Peter McGough's comment about 95 being Dorian's prime if you accept that 01 ASC Ronnie is unbeatable. I'm merely following your lead of picking which quotes to use.

I don't care if you accept it or not lol that changes NOTHING it doesn't mean Ronnie is unbeatable thats merely his opinion , you act like he's a judge lol and 1995 may not be his prime it very well may be 1993 but thats subjective , Ronnie being unbeatable is very much subjective its not a fact its open for debate just as Lee Priest 

[NarcissisticDeity]

This picture pretty much disproves the myth of Dorian having better proportion, Ronnie has a back just as wide as Dorian, larger arms and bigger legs and a waistline just as small.
So why exactly does Dorian have better proportion?

One Ronnie is close to the camera in that picture and stop trying to accumulate parts thats NOT how it works  , Ronnie's balance & proportion problems are is follows , he has a short torso , his arms are to big for his torso , he has long legs , his glutes are way out of proportion with his physique they stick out and can actually be seen from the front , he has undersized calfs and oversized quads , his forearms are not in proportion with his bices/triceps , he has a host of structural problems that you're born with

Dorian Yates at his best has almost perfect balance & proportion , you can find years where its off 96/97 to some degree but when he's at his best its outstanding just as an IFBB judge

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .

[NeoSeminole]

Again my post was a reaction to the one where someone says Dorian's gut , blah , blah , blah , I can play that game to , they think if they type Yates has a gut it means something , Ronnie's is the worse by far and NO you people are infamous for posting slanted comparisons when I do so its giving you a taste of your own medicine , nice try though

nice try putting the blame others, but the Dorian nuthuggers were the first to post gut shots of Ronnie standing relaxed or in the middle of transition. I simply gave you guys a taste of your own medicine and will continue to do so every time you post unflattering pics of Ronnie,.

I don't care if you accept it or not lol that changes NOTHING it doesn't mean Ronnie is unbeatable thats merely his opinion , you act like he's a judge lol and 1995 may not be his prime it very well may be 1993 but thats subjective , Ronnie being unbeatable is very much subjective its not a fact its open for debate just as Lee Priest

the collective minds of professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and hundreds of fans who voted in online polls agree that Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian. I don't care if you accept this or not since I don't need verification from an internet nobody. I can see with my own eyes why Ronnie is better, and it's nice to know that others with far more bodybuilding knowledge than you or I combined say I'm right.

[NarcissisticDeity]

nice try putting the blame others, but the Dorian nuthuggers were the first to post gut shots of Ronnie standing relaxed or in the middle of transition. I simply gave you guys a taste of your own medicine and will continue to do so every time you post unflattering pics of Ronnie,.

the collective minds of professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and hundreds of fans who voted in online polls agree that Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian. I don't care if you accept this or not since I don't need verification from an internet nobody. I can see with my own eyes why Ronnie is better, and it's nice to know that others with far more bodybuilding knowledge than you or I combined say I'm right.

nice try putting the blame others, but the Dorian nuthuggers were the first to post gut shots of Ronnie standing relaxed or in the middle of transition. I simply gave you guys a taste of your own medicine and will continue to do so every time you post unflattering pics of Ronnie,.

See the difference is Neo ( and pay attention ) NO ONE is bragging about how much of a small waist he has or how much an advantage it is lol thats the difference my boy  and I'm not bragging about how its not visible in the mandatory poses , I could care less what you post its old news Dorian didn't have the smallest waist however his midsection crushes Ronnies in terms of abdominals/obliques/serattus and intercostals , so whats the sense in having a ' small ' and narrow waist when it lags behind in development?? and Dorian never won because he had a small waist he beat some of the smallest waists ever

the collective minds of professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and hundreds of fans who voted in online polls agree that Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian. I don't care if you accept this or not since I don't need verification from an internet nobody. I can see with my own eyes why Ronnie is better, and it's nice to know that others with far more bodybuilding knowledge than you or I combined say I'm right.

See argument ad populum  and again I'm sure you have faith and many have faith that Ronnie could beat Dorian however my friend it doesn't mean its true lol

[NeoSeminole]

See the difference is Neo ( and pay attention ) NO ONE is bragging about how much of a small waist he has or how much an advantage it is lol thats the difference my boy

you are such a waste of time responding to. Earlier, you claimed my comparison was off b/c 03 Ronnie had a wider waist than Dorian. Now you are saying a 30 lbs lighter Ronnie wouldn't have much of an advantage in the midsection. Make up your damn mind, old man.

and I'm not bragging about how its not visible in the mandatory poses , I could care less what you post its old news Dorian didn't have the smallest waist however his midsection crushes Ronnies in terms of abdominals/obliques/serattus and intercostals , so whats the sense in having a ' small ' and narrow waist when it lags behind in development?? and Dorian never won because he had a small waist he beat some of the smallest waists ever

if you were comparing 03 Ronnie to Dorian, then you'd be correct. However, 01 ASC Ronnie wouldn't get crushed in the midsection by Dorian. There are more poses than just the ab-and-thigh.

See argument ad populum and again I'm sure you have faith and many have faith that Ronnie is better however my friend it doesn't mean its true lol

I suggest you re-read argument ad populum since you have been using it improperly in this discussion.

[ironneck]

what's the point of this thread?

[NarcissisticDeity]

you are such a waste of time responding to. Earlier, you claimed my comparison was off b/c 03 Ronnie had a wider waist than Dorian. Now you are saying a 30 lbs lighter Ronnie wouldn't have much of an advantage in the midsection. Make up your damn mind, old man.

if you were comparing 03 Ronnie to Dorian, then you'd be correct. However, 01 ASC Ronnie wouldn't get crushed in the midsection by Dorian. There are more poses than just the ab-and-thigh.
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I suggest you re-read argument ad populum since you have been using it improperly in this discussion.

you are such a waste of time responding to. Earlier, you claimed my comparison was off b/c 03 Ronnie had a wider waist than Dorian. Now you are saying a 30 lbs lighter Ronnie wouldn't have much of an advantage in the midsection. Make up your damn mind, old man.

Neo these are boards to discuss bodybuilding if you don't want to respond , don't but please don't bitch about it ! I'm not talking an advantage in midsection width I'm talking about development & detail of all the muscles of the midsection

if you were comparing 03 Ronnie to Dorian, then you'd be correct. However, 01 ASC Ronnie wouldn't get crushed in the midsection by Dorian. There are more poses than just the ab-and-thigh.

Yes but his whole midsection is devoid of great detail & development , so any advantage he may have in having narrower waist & hips becomes moot

I suggest you re-read argument ad populum since you have been using it improperly in this discussion.

I disagree , you think because an opinion is popular ( Ronnie could beat Dorian ) thats its somehow true thats textbook argument ad populum , Sorry Neo just because a larger number of people hold the opinion that Ronnie could beat Dorian it does not under any circumstances mean its true !!

[Iceman1981]

The "ad populum" argument is not valid when it is used to prove facts that can be proven with logic or scientific method.
However here we are talking about bodybuilding and guess what? Bodybuilding competitions are evaluated according to the opinion of the judges (that can follow some criteria but still they express an opinion and they can also disagree with each other).
Here to make things more complicated we are trying to compare two bodybuilders who didn't reach their primes at the same time.
So I think that the opinion of bodybuilding fans (especially when it's so polarized) makes a strong argument in favor of Ronnie because there is no way to put them on a stage together at their best and even if it was possible, the outcome would be based on opinions in  any case.

Man, nice post, but you are typing to deaf ears on this thread. There is no harm in trying though.

[NeoSeminole]

Neo these are boards to discuss bodybuilding if you don't want to respond , don't but please don't bitch about it ! I'm not talking an advantage in midsection width I'm talking about development & detail of all the muscles of the midsection

I'm not bitching; I called you out on the unfairness of your post. You cannot say Ronnie's superior taper is a waste b/c he lacks the definition of Dorian's midsection. That's like saying "what good are well-developed abs and obliques when your midsection is as wide as your chest?"

Yes but his whole midsection is devoid of great detail & development , so any advantage he may have in having narrower waist & hips becomes moot

wrong, Ronnie at the 01 ASC had great detail in his midsection. The only problem I see is the gap between his abdominals.

I disagree , you think because an opinion is popular ( Ronnie could beat Dorian ) thats its somehow true thats textbook argument ad populum , Sorry Neo just because a larger number of people hold the opinion that Ronnie could beat Dorian it does not under any circumstances mean its true!!

I never said that Ronnie is better simply b/c the majority of people said so. I said there must be truth to what they say if several people with more knowledge about bodybuilding agree that Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. The fact that you - an internet nobody with no credibility - dismiss them as wrong shows how delusional you are.

[Iceman1981]

and its no secret WHY ND avoids all the visual evidence:

they prove 99% of what he prints in his post is total bullshit.

eg. 95 dorian getting owned in the conditioning department from 2001 AC Ronnie Coleman:

 

That first pic of Ronnie is just amazing. He is shredded.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not bitching; I called you out on the unfairness of your post. You cannot say Ronnie's superior taper is a waste b/c he lacks the definition of Dorian's midsection. That's like saying "what good are well-developed abs and obliques when your midsection is as wide as your chest?"

wrong, Ronnie at the 01 ASC had great detail in his midsection. The only problem I see is the gap between his abdominals.


I never said that Ronnie is better simply b/c the majority of people said so. I said there must be truth to what they say if several people with more knowledge about bodybuilding agree that Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. The fact that you - an internet nobody with no credibility - dismiss them as wrong shows how delusional you are.

I'm not bitching; I called you out on the unfairness of your post. You cannot say Ronnie's superior taper is a waste b/c he lacks the definition of Dorian's midsection. That's like saying "what good are well-developed abs and obliques when your midsection is as wide as your chest?"

Please spare me by typing ' unfairness ' I mean you with those comparisons lol enough said , again I can most certainly say Ronnie's midsection is a waste specifically because it doesn't have a great development & detail absolutely and the difference is Dorian's midsection is wide he has thick obliques wider that his chest? wtf is that nonsense? when Dorian's midsection is held tight he has a very good taper and great detail & development in it , so there is most certainly a difference

wrong, Ronnie at the 01 ASC had great detail in his midsection. The only problem I see is the gap between his abdominals.

He had better detail than is other showings but his he only has a 4 pack they're oddly shaped , in poses you can see distention , his serattus/obliques/intercostals aren't as sharply defined as Dorian's its okay for Ronnie but not in Dorian's league

I never said that Ronnie is better simply b/c the majority of people said so. I said there must be truth to what they say if several people with more knowledge about bodybuilding agree that Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. The fact that you - an internet nobody with no credibility - dismiss them as wrong shows how delusional you are.

One it doesn't matter why you think he's better , it doesn't matter why anyone thinks he's better what matters is you think this some how means he is better and thats faulty logic , just because an opinion is popular doesn't mean its true ! and a couple a few people agreed ( from your quotes ) that Ronnie is unbeatable and in the end its an opinion , just because an opinion is popular doesn't mean its true .

Is there a possiblity Ronnie could beat Dorian ? Absolutely , is there a possibilty that Dorian could beat Ronnie ? absolutely anyone who says otherwise is not being honest.

[Iceman1981]

what's the point of this thread?

Ask ND. He called for the Truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ask ND. He called for the Truce

It takes two lol the other couldn't let go , so he had to be taught a less !

[realkarateblackbelt]

Guiness Book Of World Record, 2011

  "Longest Internet Message Board Thread - A thread started on the internet bodybuilding message board of gig.com, entitled "Hulkster I'm Calling For A Truce" is the longest internet message board thread ever. It went on for 3700 pages and four years, and got over a quarter million replies, until Ron Avidan, the board owner and administrator, deleted the thread due to bandwidth issues. The thread was started by the poster, NarcissisticDeity, offering a truce to the poster, Hulkster, on the argument about who is better between bodybuilders Ronald Coleman and Dorian Yates. Hulkster refused the truce, ensuing the discussion. The posters: NarcissisticDeity, Hulkster, Suckmymuscle and Pumpster were responsible for most of the posts in the thread."

  Now seriously, guys, this is getting ridiculous. The thread has been going on for an year and a half and it is the same bullshit ever. Furthermore, I think that it is amazing that SUCKY and ND are able to hold their own even though they are vastly outnumbered by the Coleman side. These two are clearly more intelligent than all of the guys on the Coleman side combined, and it shows. IceCold, Pobrecito and RocketSwitch sometimes make good posts, but they are not as intelligent as Suckmymuscle and ND and the Dorian side would absolutely tank without these two. For how long will this shit continue? SUCKY and ND have already convinced me that Dorian is better, but I wonder if there are many people who switched sides in the one and a half years since the thread has been going on.

[Hulkster]

This picture pretty much disproves the myth of Dorian having better proportion, Ronnie has a back just as wide as Dorian, larger arms and bigger legs and a waistline just as small.
So why exactly does Dorian have better proportion?

he doesn't.

but trying to tell that to ND is like trying to explain philosophy to him:

he has no fucking clue and will never understand..

[NarcissisticDeity]

he doesn't.

but trying to tell that to ND is like trying to explain philosophy to him:

he has no fucking clue and will never understand..

Lets See Dorian himself said He has better balance & proportion and so did Lee Priest I guess they're wrong too huh? 

[suckmymuscle]

alright, I'll respond to retard #2.

this is the type of shit I'm talking about when I say I don't want to bother responding. Suckmyasshole, you are a liar. I'm calling you out right now to show me where I said Peter McGough is wrong about nobody being as hard and dry as Dorian.

  SemenHole, I am simply pointing out your hypocrisy, sport. You made the case for Ronnie 2001 ASC having better conditioning than Dorian 1995, and then I pointed out to you that McGough believes otherwise. So what do you do? You praise McGough's opinion about Ronnie being the best ever, but then say that he's wrong about Dorian 1995 having better conditioning than Ronnie 2001 ASC. I personally don't care about McGough's opinion. I', simply pointing out your hypocrisy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE