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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33925 on: September 03, 2007, 10:53:31 PM »
Nah, Dorian had a more balanced physique, something he has always made pains to state.

So what? Kenny Jones has a more balanced physique than Dorian. Everything on Kenny is perfectly medicore. Does that make him a better bodybuilder? No. Bodybuilding contests are judged based on size, definition, symmetry, and shape. Ronnie's 01 ASC package meets this criteria better than Dorian.

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Dorian version 1993 and version 1995 was untouchable.

I beg to differ. Maybe Dorian was untouchable in 93 and 95. However, the sport of bodybuilding has since then progressed with Ronnie.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33926 on: September 03, 2007, 11:07:39 PM »
So what? Kenny Jones has a more balanced physique than Dorian. Everything on Kenny is perfectly medicore. Does that make him a better bodybuilder? No. Bodybuilding contests are judged based on size, definition, symmetry, and shape. Ronnie's 01 ASC package meets this criteria better than Dorian.

I beg to differ. Maybe Dorian was untouchable in 93 and 95. However, the sport of bodybuilding has since then progressed with Ronnie.

I think Dorians physique was a more powerful physique than Ninja-man's in 93/95 and the judges thought likewise.

If "Progress" is huge craniums, huge jawlines and bigboy guts to match then "Houston, we have a problem."

Joe said "Ronnie, suck that gut in where-ever you go!".

Perhaps things will change in the next few years for the betterment of the sporting competition.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33927 on: September 03, 2007, 11:14:46 PM »
I think Dorians physique was a more powerful physique than Ninja-man's in 93/95 and the judges thought likewise.

awesome, but I'm not comparing Dorian to Flex.

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If "Progress" is huge craniums, huge jawlines and bigboy guts to match then "Houston, we have a problem."

learn to read. I said the sport has progressed with Ronnie. Just as Dorian had his 'off-years', so did Ronnie. However, Ronnie at his prime raised the standard higher than Dorian.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33928 on: September 03, 2007, 11:54:51 PM »

learn to read. I said the sport has progressed with Ronnie. Just as Dorian had his 'off-years', so did Ronnie. However, Ronnie at his prime raised the standard higher than Dorian.

Sure. But it doesn't equate to Ronnie being superior to Dorian. ;-)

For example, I think both have identical attitudes in both the physical and mental senses - both are true iron warriors.

Overall however, I think Dorian trumps Ronnie's physique because of his superior overall physique "synergy" - no bodypart overpowers any others. With Ronnie, its all out of proportion to the 'full package'.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33929 on: September 04, 2007, 12:38:45 AM »
So what? Kenny Jones has a more balanced physique than Dorian. Everything on Kenny is perfectly medicore. Does that make him a better bodybuilder? No. Bodybuilding contests are judged based on size, definition, symmetry, and shape. Ronnie's 01 ASC package meets this criteria better than Dorian.

I beg to differ. Maybe Dorian was untouchable in 93 and 95. However, the sport of bodybuilding has since then progressed with Ronnie.

Kenny Jones has great balance , but he lags behind on density , conditioning and size on Yates , bodybuilding is judged on size , conditioning ( definition ) density , and balance & proportion and I hate to break it to you kid they all favor Yates especially compared to Ronnie 2001 ASC Ronnie may have come close in conditioning but still takes a back seat in DENSITY part of the criteria you keep forgetting , size 244-247 pounds compared to 260 pounds and balance & proportion , now add in Dorian who was a master of the mandatory poses and Ronnie's advantages are nil

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I beg to differ. Maybe Dorian was untouchable in 93 and 95. However, the sport of bodybuilding has since then progressed with Ronnie.

Another empty statement , pure garbage , the sport most certainly did NOT progress by 2001 , how did it? Ronnie was 244-247 pounds in 2001 thats NOT a progression in muscular bulk , Dorian was 260 pounds in 1995 , Density didn't progress from Yates to Ronnie and Dorian's type of density has still yet to be matched ( with his combo ) balance & proportion hasn't progressed especially not with Ronnie , that something you're born with kid and to quote Ronnie " has he been reborn with better balance & proportion " ? Umm NO not quite , moving on to conditioning , and please stop referring to conditioning as ' definition ' I told you thats an old term thats not used anymore , and has Ronnie progressed in terms of conditioning YES for Ronnie NOT for Dorian !

Dorian's conditioning is legendary and Ronnie was probably able to come in Yates-like a couple of times in his career 1998 and 2001 ASC , this is one area that has most certainly not progresses in bodybuilding the general consensus is conditioned mass has reached his highwater mark in the early to late 1990s ( Wow Dorian's hey-day ) and couple that with the fact that Peter McGough specifically said NO ONE was ever more bone dry & rock hard than Dorian and your empty claims of progression is tossed out the window

The only area the sport progressed in is terms of size and wow more size less condition and Dorian was one of the biggest & best conditioned guys he was 269 pounds in 1993 !! he's guest posed at 285 pounds with conditioning according to Kevin Horton that to this day still has not been surpassed , so the sport if you look at it really has progressed even by 2007 , Dorian could have competed at 285 in conditioning that would match or surpass any bodybuilder today but his focus was always the total package , size , density , condition and balance & proportion , so when you say the sport has progressed it really hasn't.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33930 on: September 04, 2007, 07:02:18 AM »
why are you guys objectifying subjectivity?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33931 on: September 04, 2007, 08:54:47 AM »
wtf are you talking about "ronnie lost?" He's beating Dorian in that comparison. Let's see... Ronnie has

- better arms
- better quads
- greater fullness
- better shape
- better definition


the only thing ronnie has is arms.

yates has the better torso, bigger lats, thicker chest with NO gyno.

better fullness?  why is dorian's torso thicker?

even dorians' legs look bigger and ronnies legs look stupid next dorian or someone with complete legs - calves.

better definition, where?  not in the legs or torso or abs.

even ronnie's shape looks off with his gyno, short torso and long chest, horribd midsection,  and the huge leg imbalance.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33932 on: September 04, 2007, 10:13:33 AM »
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I saw this poster in the new muscle time magazine. They have great pics. Just amazing.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33933 on: September 04, 2007, 10:51:43 AM »
awesome, but I'm not comparing Dorian to Flex.

learn to read. I said the sport has progressed with Ronnie. Just as Dorian had his 'off-years', so did Ronnie. However, Ronnie at his prime raised the standard higher than Dorian.


disagree.

dorian's size and conditioning have not bee matched. 

coleman's best shape was 01 AC, but was 10 lbs. lighter than dorian.

i will give ronnie being the biggest and have asethetics for a new standard, but he did not eclipse yates.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33934 on: September 04, 2007, 11:48:17 AM »
bodybuilding is judged on size , conditioning ( definition ) density , and balance & proportion and I hate to break it to you kid they all favor Yates especially compared to Ronnie 2001 ASC

bwahahahahahahaha, good one. Dorian at 257 lbs looks identical in size to 01 ASC Ronnie and I highly doubt 3 lbs more would make a difference. So there goes Dorian's 'advantage' in the size department. Their conditioning was practically the same. I believe Ronnie had better overall conditioning. You think Dorian edges Ronnie out. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say they are tied. I'm being very generous here since conditioning is determined on stage by level of separations and striations, and Ronnie has Dorian beat. This leaves balance and proportion. Depending on which version of Dorian we are talking about, Ronnie matches or eclipses Dorian. Ronnie's symmetry actually improved that year due to his tighter midsection, downsized quads, and fuller calves. At worst, 01 ASC Ronnie ties Dorian's best ever package. At best, he edges Dorian out for the win.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33935 on: September 04, 2007, 11:57:19 AM »
disagree. dorian's size and conditioning have not bee matched. coleman's best shape was 01 AC, but was 10 lbs. lighter than dorian.
i will give ronnie being the biggest and have asethetics for a new standard, but he did not eclipse yates.

I personally feel Ronnie reached his prime at the 03 Mr. Olympia. He presented a physique that has yet to be equaled in terms of overall muscularity, definition, symmetry, and aesthetics. Sure, Dorian may have been more conditioned but he was also 30 lbs lighter. The difference in conditioning is less than the difference in size. Also, Dorian had a torn biceps and worse aesthetics. Ronnie looked as damn good as a 287 lbs bodybuilder can. There have been others who weighed just as much if not more, but they haven't surpassed Ronnie's overall physique.








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33936 on: September 04, 2007, 01:01:25 PM »
i think they are tied in terms of overall greatness

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33937 on: September 04, 2007, 01:04:48 PM »
Imo Dorian's conditioning is overrated, sure he is dry but he really lacked the striations, defintion and muscle seperation that Ronnie displayed.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33938 on: September 04, 2007, 01:05:32 PM »

the only thing ronnie has is arms.

yates has the better torso, bigger lats, thicker chest with NO gyno.

better fullness?  why is dorian's torso thicker?

even dorians' legs look bigger and ronnies legs look stupid next dorian or someone with complete legs - calves.

better definition, where?  not in the legs or torso or abs.

even ronnie's shape looks off with his gyno, short torso and long chest, horribd midsection,  and the huge leg imbalance.

The words of a high school dropout who continues to see things only through the lens of what he himself pompously decides is important.

"Only arms" hahahahahahah ya arms don't mean much do they?


"Dorian's legs look bigger" LOL


"Bigger lats" bwhahahahaahahah


Coleman had gyno, Yates had this waist and H-taper, idiot.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33939 on: September 04, 2007, 01:08:29 PM »

the only thing ronnie has is arms.

yates has the better torso, bigger lats, thicker chest with NO gyno.

better fullness?  why is dorian's torso thicker?

even dorians' legs look bigger and ronnies legs look stupid next dorian or someone with complete legs - calves.

better definition, where?  not in the legs or torso or abs.

even ronnie's shape looks off with his gyno, short torso and long chest, horribd midsection,  and the huge leg imbalance.

this is probably the most ridiculous post i have ever read
Dorian having a thicker chest? Bigger legs?
What planet are u living on lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33940 on: September 04, 2007, 01:45:39 PM »

what was wrong wit the shot i posted?

must have been that it was too similar - same lighting, scale, etc. and ronnie lost, so you had to post another pic.

typical.


did you not seen hedge's post where he stated about per benal shots?

nothing is wrong with the shot you have posted.

but as MANY posters have since pointed out to you Ronnie wins that shot.

but the shot I posted was an even  BETTER shot of Ronnie from that show. and it wins too.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33941 on: September 04, 2007, 01:47:01 PM »
Imo Dorian's conditioning is overrated, sure he is dry but he really lacked the striations, defintion and muscle seperation that Ronnie displayed.



we have been saying this for 1300+ pages now.

Its part of why in the opinion of experts, writers, pros and fans (ie people knowledgable on judging in bb) Ronnie wins.

its just a few idiots that STILL do not get it.. ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33942 on: September 04, 2007, 01:49:55 PM »
LOL

dorian might have been good in 93 or 95, but my how the sport progressed since then:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33943 on: September 04, 2007, 01:51:06 PM »
this is probably the most ridiculous post i have ever read
Dorian having a thicker chest? Bigger legs?
What planet are u living on lol

the planet Retard.

both ND and Icehole live there.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33944 on: September 04, 2007, 02:07:07 PM »
bwahahahahahahaha, good one. Dorian at 257 lbs looks identical in size to 01 ASC Ronnie and I highly doubt 3 lbs more would make a difference. So there goes Dorian's 'advantage' in the size department. Their conditioning was practically the same. I believe Ronnie had better overall conditioning. You think Dorian edges Ronnie out. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say they are tied. I'm being very generous here since conditioning is determined on stage by level of separations and striations, and Ronnie has Dorian beat. This leaves balance and proportion. Depending on which version of Dorian we are talking about, Ronnie matches or eclipses Dorian. Ronnie's symmetry actually improved that year due to his tighter midsection, downsized quads, and fuller calves. At worst, 01 ASC Ronnie ties Dorian's best ever package. At best, he edges Dorian out for the win.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33945 on: September 04, 2007, 02:07:59 PM »
The words of a high school dropout who continues to see things only through the lens of what he himself pompously decides is important.

"Only arms" hahahahahahah ya arms don't mean much do they?


"Dorian's legs look bigger" LOL


"Bigger lats" bwhahahahaahahah


Coleman had gyno, Yates had this waist and H-taper, idiot.



your crowning achievement is being a mod in the training forum - which will not be for much longer.

this coming from someone who has threads created weekly simply for bashing.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33946 on: September 04, 2007, 02:09:19 PM »
this is probably the most ridiculous post i have ever read
Dorian having a thicker chest? Bigger legs?
What planet are u living on lol


i guess you didnt see the picture.

or ronnie's quotes about yates having the best back and side chest pose of all time.

are you saying you are more credible than ronnie coleman?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33947 on: September 04, 2007, 02:09:31 PM »
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"Only arms" hahahahahahah ya arms don't mean much do they?

LOL tell me about it.

"only arms" in a front double bi pose lol

I guess Shawn ray has a better rear lat spread than Ronnie because Ronnie "only has a better back"

LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33948 on: September 04, 2007, 02:12:24 PM »

i guess you didnt see the picture.

or ronnie's quotes about yates having the best back and side chest pose of all time.

are you saying you are more credible than ronnie coleman?


we can disprove ronnie's comments about dorian very easily, by posting pictures of himself:


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Ronnie may not have the greatest side chest shot ever, but it sure is better than dorian.

but he does have the greatest back ever, easily.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33949 on: September 04, 2007, 02:31:22 PM »
Ronnie ASC 2001