Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

LOL notice ND uses a shot of a 42 year old Ronnie in 2005 as some sort of attempt to show that dorian holds up in the visual comparisons..

and yet even old fart Ronnie holds his own!

hahhahaaha

dorian cannot come close:

[Iceman1981]

  This is a brutal ownage on my part of the moron, "Iceman".

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Too bad you can't even reply with a sensible post. Read my reply and shut up.

You can't own anyone if your life depended on it.

[Hulkster]

most people are basing their opinions on career wins and Olympia wins

um.  no they aren't.

where the fuck did you come up with this bullshit from?

they base their opinions on the overwelming visual dominance at his best..no one cares about Ronnie 2004, for example.

visuals are what this sport is based on.

but you guys don't seem to be able to understand that..

[Iceman1981]

LOL notice ND uses a shot of a 42 year old Ronnie in 2005 as some sort of attempt to show that dorian holds up in the visual comparisons..

and yet even old fart Ronnie holds his own!

hahhahaaha

dorian cannot come close:

Noticed that both morons try to make up an argument against the quotes and start running in circles, LOL. The last thing they thought they had left were quotes and they just got beat at their own game. Poor Losers. Bring It. I have way more quotes.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL, you actually tried to argue against those quotes and still came up with nothing. Oh well, nice try. The quotes I posted speak for themselves. You have NOTHING and can't counter it.

I guess you didn't see the video with Flex stating after the placings he agreed with Ronnie's placing.

The rest of your pathetic attempts to argue against the quotes is a joke.

Your biased opinion is simply crushed with my quotes from bodybuilders, bodybuilding experts, judges, writers, and photographers. I have quotes stating Ronnie at his best is the best ever. And you have..............?

I have nothing ? are you high? these quotes are at best very subjective and very arguable you're stuck in the dumb logic known as the argument ad populum , wow I have a lot of quotes saying Ronnie is most likely , and probably the best so he there for is thats pathetically weak logic I have nothing lol and this is your fucking defense?

most people are basing the fact that Ronnie is the greatest because he has the most wins and tied for the most Olympia wins I have zero problem with this , because it means ZERO on how he would fair against Dorian Yates

and what about the easily proven wrong quotes Ronnie is the most dominant lol you have the balls to type this nonsense and I have nothing lol

and NO fucking kidding Flex retracted his statement that Ronnie deserves his placing what was he going to say? No Ronnie deserved to win lol his retraction doesn't prove he's right he's already wrong on the most dominant part and his abilities to critique competitors phsyiques leaves a lot to be desired

you tried a marathon post filled with nonsense and fluff it failed like your ' comparisons '

[NarcissisticDeity]

um.  no they aren't.

where the fuck did you come up with this bullshit from?

they base their opinions on the overwelming visual dominance at his best..no one cares about Ronnie 2004, for example.

visuals are what this sport is based on.

but you guys don't seem to be able to understand that..

yes visuals IN PERSON not online 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL notice ND uses a shot of a 42 year old Ronnie in 2005 as some sort of attempt to show that dorian holds up in the visual comparisons..

and yet even old fart Ronnie holds his own!

hahhahaaha

dorian cannot come close:

dorian crushes that from the aspect of the criteria Ronnie is missing in this pose , DENSITY & CONDITIONING BALANCE & PROPORTION , calves he's incomplete he's has big arms and impressive tie-ins see cherry picking and turn Yates to the side to get the full grasp of his most muscular and don't even complain about comparisons Hulkster 

Ronnie can't matches this if you follow the criteria ! which you're very scared to do hence why you post the shot from the waist up

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

[Hulkster]

dorian's smoothness and poor shape is unrivaled in those most musculars..

[IceCold]

1443 pages later, and hulkster still thinks that bbing is only and all about 1 pose - the most muscular.


how pathetic.

[IceCold]

they base their opinions on the overwelming visual dominance at his best..no one cares about Ronnie 2004, for example.

visuals are what this sport is based on.

but you guys don't seem to be able to understand that..

but the polls listed in the magazines and online in the years of 99-02 (arguably, ronnie's best years), that yates won dont count as visual evidence?

but, you dont seem to understand that. 

[Shockwave]

dorian's smoothness and poor shape is unrivaled in those most musculars..

Your my hero Hulkster.
I wish I could live in my own little world oblivious to everything around me too.
I'm sure there some nice women out there that feels Ronnie is the best at everything too.
Maybe, you know, you should take some time off Getbig and try and find her.
Go on, it's ok, we'll be fine without you.

[Hulkster]

1443 pages later, and hulkster still thinks that bbing is only and all about 1 pose - the most muscular.


how pathetic.

1443 pages and you are still too stupid to realize that dorian loses most of the mandatories.

I like posting the most muscular because it shows how crappy dorian's upper body balance, detail and shape was in comparison to Ronnie's.

its not my fault his upper body sucked compared to Ronnie.

if you don't like it, too fucking bad.

dorian gets killed in much much more than the most muscular.

[Shockwave]

1443 pages and you are still too stupid to realize that dorian loses most of the mandatories.

I like posting the most muscular because it shows how crappy dorian's upper body balance, detail and shape was in comparison to Ronnie's.

its not my fault his upper body sucked compared to Ronnie.

if you don't like it, too fucking bad.

dorian gets killed in much much more than the most muscular.

Nice shots of Dorian picking Ronnie apart.
Thanks!

[Hulkster]

but the polls listed in the magazines and online in the years of 99-02 (arguably, ronnie's best years), that yates won dont count as visual evidence?

but, you dont seem to understand that. 

show me one poll that directly compared Ronnie and Dorian at their bests, with excellent comparisons like we have on the internet these days.

you will never find one.

it does not exist.

Given the visuals, dorian looses in the opinion of almost everyone.

remember, dorian had less than 10% of the votes on average in Iceman's polls all over the internet. Ronnie had the rest.

don't like it?

well too fucking bad..

[Shockwave]

show me one poll that directly compared Ronnie and Dorian at their bests, with excellent comparisons like we have on the internet these days.

you will never find one.

it does not exist.

Given the visuals, dorian looses in the opinion of almost everyone.

remember, dorian had less than 10% of the votes on average in Iceman's polls all over the internet. Ronnie had the rest.

don't like it?

well too fucking bad..

I really don't care what the majority thinks,
The majority of 20 year olds think that Honda's make good race cars too.
Shows how much the majority knows.

[Hulkster]

you should care.

the pros, writers, fans and insiders know the difference between a great Mr. O for his time ( pre tear dorian) and a Mr. O. who advanced the sport to the next level beyond dorian (Ronnie at his peak).

[Shockwave]

you should care.

the pros, writers, fans and insiders know the difference between a great Mr. O for his time ( pre tear dorian) and a Mr. O. who advanced the sport to the next level beyond dorian (Ronnie at his peak).

I see just as much a split in the pros opinions as anyone.
Don't try and push your opinion as fact, by making up shit to try and convince people.
Anyone paying attention knows your full of shit.

[Mr.1derful]

Neither ND nor Pumpster are likely to sway each others opinion.  Nevertheless, I will offer the following.  Dorian dominated his entire career, which can't be disputed.  His record in competition speaks for itself.  Those such as Pumpster may believe that Coleman in his prime is superior; however, it can easily be concluded that had Dorian faced 98-99 Coleman, he would have continued to dominate the Olympia stage just as he did in 1997 and in years prior.

In 1998, which to many was Coleman at his conditioned best, saw a victory by the slimmest of margins over a less than best Flex Wheeler.  The same Flex Wheeler, who could not even come close to touching Dorian Yates in competition, as evidenced by the straight first and wide margin of victories by Dorian.  Logically, based upon actual documented judging history, had Yates returned in 1998, he would have taken Coleman apart. 

[Shockwave]

Neither ND nor Pumpster are likely to sway each others opinion.  Nevertheless, I will offer the following.  Dorian dominated his entire career, which can't be disputed.  His record in competition speaks for itself.  Those such as Pumpster may believe that Coleman in his prime is superior; however, it can easily be concluded that had Dorian faced 98-99 Coleman, he would have continued to dominate the Olympia stage just as he did in 1997 and in years prior.

In 1998, which to many was Coleman at his conditioned best, saw a victory by the slimmest of margins over a less than best Flex Wheeler.  The same Flex Wheeler, who could not even come close to touching Dorian Yates in competition, as evidenced by the straight first and wide margin of victories by Dorian.  Logically, based upon actual documented judging history, had Yates returned in 1998, he would have taken Coleman apart. 

We don't like logic here. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian's smoothness and poor shape is unrivaled in those most musculars..

Again you type junk , you hyperfocus on what YOU think is a flaw and dismiss all the criteria , smoothness shows your lack of understanding that Dorian was bar none the best conditioned Mr Olympia at 260 pounds period including Coleman 1999 , see Cutler 07 for smooth Yates doesn't carry water and poor shape lol follow the criteria Yates , density & conditioning , balance & proportion , size and completeness !

[NarcissisticDeity]

Neither ND nor Pumpster are likely to sway each others opinion.  Nevertheless, I will offer the following.  Dorian dominated his entire career, which can't be disputed.  His record in competition speaks for itself.  Those such as Pumpster may believe that Coleman in his prime is superior; however, it can easily be concluded that had Dorian faced 98-99 Coleman, he would have continued to dominate the Olympia stage just as he did in 1997 and in years prior.

In 1998, which to many was Coleman at his conditioned best, saw a victory by the slimmest of margins over a less than best Flex Wheeler.  The same Flex Wheeler, who could not even come close to touching Dorian Yates in competition, as evidenced by the straight first and wide margin of victories by Dorian.  Logically, based upon actual documented judging history, had Yates returned in 1998, he would have taken Coleman apart. 

Great post a comment I said many times ! and Hulkster will claim Ronnie 99 would beat Dorian because he's the same weight ( 257 ) but he's not as dry or hard in 1998 a fact confirmed by Peter McGough & Ronnie himself who Hulkster said are both wrong lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

you should care.

the pros, writers, fans and insiders know the difference between a great Mr. O for his time ( pre tear dorian) and a Mr. O. who advanced the sport to the next level beyond dorian (Ronnie at his peak).

Ronnie at his peak is 1998 Mr Olympia and 2001 ASC and he didn't take the sport to the next level in those years sorry to burst your bubble

did he advance the sport in terms of size ? NO he was 249 pounds in 98 and 244-247 pounds in 2001
did he advance the sport in terms of conditioning ? NO Yates was just as dry & hard if NOT harder years before
did he advance the sport in terms of balance & proportion? NO
did he advance the sport in terms of completeness? NO
so where this this magical advancement? in Hulkster's head


Dorian was 260 pounds bone dry & rock hard with near perfect balance & proportion , Ronnie at his absolute best was 244-247 pounds bone dry and rock hard with balance & proportion that lagged behind Dorian how is the an advancement? its NOT its 2007 and guys still can't compete at 260 pounds with Dorian's level of conditioning in fact the sport has digressed in the conditioning department so as far as conditioned mass is concerned !

[Bear]

I have nothing ? are you high? these quotes are at best very subjective

Aren't all quotes subjective?

You are the one who decided quotes are the only thing that mean anything, even though they are only as valid as any words from anyone. But if they are going to be your weapon of choice then you can at least accept the myriad which support the Ronnie argument from people within the industry, including Dorian's (now mentioned ad nauseum) famous admission that super-massive/shredded-gluted Ronnie 2003 would beat him.

[Hulkster]

Aren't all quotes subjective?

You are the one who decided quotes are the only thing that mean anything, even though they are only as valid as any words from anyone. But if they are going to be your weapon of choice then you can at least accept the myriad which support the Ronnie argument from people within the industry, including Dorian's (now mentioned ad nauseum) famous admission that super-massive/shredded-gluted Ronnie 2003 would beat him.

that would be intelligent.

ND is about as stupid as they come.

probably still bitter about not getting the promotion at McD's..

[slaveboy1980]

  According to the critera that decides such things, Dorian would win. Case closed. .

  then why didn't he defeat him? You see, if your opinion is used to determine who would win Dorian vs Ronnie, then you're wrong because your opinion is different from what the judges decided.

  Another example of your opinion being completely different from what the judges actually decided in real life. consider yourself schooled.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

no according to bodybuilding criteria, ronnie would crush dorian. and its not only my opinion its the opinion of many in the biz (for example check icemans post).

also what you call bb criteria is in fact in the end someones opinion (even if going by a rulebook). there is no need to write 1000s of words. long posts of bs may fool some people, but not slaveboy