Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

He never said that. He simply states that harness trumps all of those factors. This is proven correct by contest results and Ronnie being defeated every single time 

oh yes they certainly have.

probably somewhere around 1300 pages ago.

you would be very surprised at the shit your side will come up with to win a futile and losing argument

[RocketSwitch625]

This is just wicked. Coleman NEVER displayed anything like this at a contest:

[suckmymuscle]

okay "Mr. striations, detail and vascularity" are not considered..

  Separations are considered, and I already mentioned that. My point is that you value Ronnie's superior separations while ignoring Dorian's superior hardness. As for striations, I don't know. Munzer had tons of it and he didn't do very well in the pro ranks. As for vascularity, I think that it's gross, and Greg Zulak from MuscleMag once remarked that excessive vascularity was thge hallmark of the amateur bodybuilder, and that too much vascularity was looked down on a pro.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Dorian is better than Ronnie in some ways.

His back detail was better.

He had better calves.

His chest remained fuller in the front lat spread, and his entire torso, sans arms, did look better in this pose.

His density was superior although I suppose that is debatable.

That said, Ronnie also had his strengths...

Overall, I would still give it to Ronnie.  I guess it depends what you go for.  As subjective as bodybuilding is, I would still give it to Ronnie with both at their best!

  This is the best post I've seen from you yet. From saying that Ronnie at his best would annihilate Dorian at his best to conceding that it would be close. That is far more reasonable. I have no objections to you believing that Ronnie at his best was better than Dorian at his best; my objection was to you saying that Dorian is not even in the same league. I can see you have matured, as well as your knowledge of bodybuilding.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[England_1]

This is just wicked. Coleman NEVER displayed anything like this at a contest:

Man, Shawn looks like a little kid there! The size of Dorian's legs are unbelievable there 

[England_1]

Notice the disbelief on Flea's face hahahahahah

[delta9mda]

ahem.....

[suckmymuscle]

I guess you can't read either. Here is what Peter said:

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

“Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.”

Learn to read before you type your nonsense.

  No, he said that Ronnie's 2001 ASC physique was the best he saw onstage, but that Dorian in those famous black-and-whites would be a contender. The only reason why he said that Ronnie's ASC physique would be unbeatable is because Dorian's physique in the Kevin Horton pics were shot offstage.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[BEAST 8692]

when even your fellow seasoned competitors can't help staring at you in awe whilst in the midst of battle, you know you're the best.

having said that, ronnie really was the best of his time too.

imagine if we could the absolute best ronnie on stage with the absolute best dorian. now that would be a hardcore bbing fan's dream.

there is NEVER going to be a clear winner here because there is always going to be differences in subjective opinion.

both were absolute standout champions of their respective eras and should be saluted for taking it to the next level. amazing that there is not a single current pro bber comp that could hold either athlete's jock strap on stage.

HAIL TO RONNIE COLEMAN AND DORIAN YATES. 

[Hulkster]

both were absolute standout champions of their respective eras and should be saluted for taking it to the next level

yes, but note that Ronnie took it to a level above that of what dorian's physique attained.

its called progress.

now, jay is taking it backwards.

everyone (except the one or two idiots on this thread) can see that:

[RocketSwitch625]

now, jay is taking it backwards.

I always thought that Coleman did too. To me he never looked as conditioned as Yates did throughout his career. Coleman probably was the best bodybuilder of his era but he should've lost to Cutler in 2001 and to Levrone at least once. I like the fact he didn't retire undefeated because he was definitely handed a few gifts after 99.

P.S. I'm now waiting for Sulky or Farty to post that classic relaxed B&W shot of Yates from 94. But nothing beats this shot. LOL wankers.

[bizzy]

I don't think you'll get too much disagreement that
Coleman in 2003-04 had a big gut. He did seem to
bring it down somehow in 2005. Many people forget
that Jay almost lost his 2nd place standing because
of using a banned diuretic. I think if Ron had used the same
drying out process in 2001 as Jay did; it wouldn't be a question mark
on his career.

"Those athletes who had been informed that they had tested positive, Jay Cutler and Markus Ruhl, will keep their original 2001 Mr. Olympia placings of second and 14th, respectfully, and retain all relevant medals, privileges and prize money applicable to their placings.

After completing this investigation, the IFBB is confident that each and every one of the steps called for in the protocol of drug testing were meticulously followed at the event itself.

We consider this decision to be one based on a pure technicality and in no way reflects on the integrity of the lab used by the IFBB, nor does it question the testing procedure followed by the IFBB at the 2001 Olympia Weekend.

[Hulkster]

yet more proof that despite what the idiot nuthuggers would like you to believe, ronnie 95/6 that was dominated by dorian and everyone else was nothing like what was to come in 99:

he gained a ton of quality muscle, and kept the detail the same if not better in many areas:

this is of course, in direct disagreement with what the nuthuggers would like you to believe..

[Hulkster]

you can clearly see the size gained in the arms and quads in the 99 shot.

[bizzy]

...

[Hulkster]

thats a lot of size gained right there.

its funny because some of the nuthuggers actually tried to argue that Ronnie was 260 in 97, but 257 in 99.

when one look at the pics shows that Ronnie had toothpicks for quads in 97 as compared to 99..and smaller arms.etc..

they have no grasp of reality.

[BEAST 8692]

thats a lot of size gained right there.

its funny because some of the nuthuggers actually tried to argue that Ronnie was 260 in 97, but 257 in 99.

when one look at the pics shows that Ronnie had toothpicks for quads in 97 as compared to 99..and smaller arms.etc..

they have no grasp of reality.

just curious...

do you actually think after nearly 1500 pages you haven't made this point yet

[aussiepro]

this argument will never be over, people love dorian while people love to hate dorian. same goes with ronnie, they were both great champs.....THE KEY WORD THERE WERE ..  by the way flex is shitting on ronnie in this pic... ronnie never should have won in 98.. and he was given a lot of gifts throughout his career (2001 should have lost aswell).. but dorian should have lost in 94 when shawn was clearly the better bber... and no one can disagree with that.. so maybe just evereone have there own opinion and that be that,, but it is kinda funny a thread thats gone on for 1500 pages  hahahaha..
anyway flex is shitting on ronnnie in this pic, there's no comparison...

[BEAST 8692]

i can see you have no clue how to judge a pic so i'll help you out.

note striations in ronnie's chest, delts, arms, seperation in arms, legs and hams.

wheeler has nothing.

hope this helps.

[spinnis]

this argument will never be over, people love dorian while people love to hate dorian. same goes with ronnie, they were both great champs.....THE KEY WORD THERE WERE ..  by the way flex is shitting on ronnie in this pic... ronnie never should have won in 98.. and he was given a lot of gifts throughout his career (2001 should have lost aswell).. but dorian should have lost in 94 when shawn was clearly the better bber... and no one can disagree with that.. so maybe just evereone have there own opinion and that be that,, but it is kinda funny a thread thats gone on for 1500 pages  hahahaha..
anyway flex is shitting on ronnnie in this pic, there's no comparison...

Ronnie has,
Bigger chest,shoulders,legs,traps And is mooore ripped,
The only thing flex has bigger is his synthol arms lol.

[GoneAway]

wheeler has him on triceps, calves and forearms (arguably).

[Hulkster]

ND, please point out the photoshopped pics I used,  asshole.

[BEAST 8692]

wheeler has him on triceps, calves and forearms (arguably).

nope. just the way flex is posing which is bringing out the outer head a bit more.

note the chest, delts, thighs and arms (bodyparts accentuated by pose basically) and note particularly just how much more developed ronnie is than flex (to go along with the FAR superior condition). particularly chest and delts, he just makes flex look like a pre-pubescent school girl with muscular dystrophy and an obsession with synthol.

[Hulkster]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.37150

pic not photoshopped.

posted as is.

different screencaps from different people will look slightly different.

of course, it takes intelligence to understand this, something a few of the nuthuggers lack sorely.

[BEAST 8692]

come to think of it...

where the fuck is wheeler's chest. isn't there supposed to be a display of thickness, density and striations in the chest in a side chest pose

those fucking delts (on wheeler) don't even look real. they look like cans of valvoline.