Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

ND's argument has no strength.

it relies on opinion that is not even supported by real visual evidence.

in fact, most of his argument is in fact CONTRADICTED  by the endless visual comparisons in this thread..

the fact that his Ace in the Hole Peter says something as stupid as a smooth precontest Yates being better than an in contest yates is not only stupid, but really damaging to his argument since Peter quotes is pretty much all ND posts lately..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, I have nothing? I have a more compelling argument than you will ever have. I've used videos, pics, and testimony from experts who've seen both in person to prove why Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian. All you have is one quote from Peter McGough who can't decide between Ronnie or Dorian. It's reflects poorly on the strength of your argument when your trump card isn't even sure if Dorian would win.

No , no Neo don't change the topic you outright lied buy saying " nobody has presented a more shredded physique than Ronnie ' thats a lie it was posed as question it was most certainly NOT a declaration of any sort and its not close to being a fact , you're a liar period .

Now I have 3 count them 3 people who all say Dorian is specifically better conditioned than Ronnie thats called converging evidence kid , learn it .

[NeoSeminole]

Now I have 3 count them 3 people who all say Dorian is specifically better conditioned than Ronnie thats called converging evidence kid , learn it .

I have 10 people - count them, 10 people - who all say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. To borrow your own line, "that's called converging evidence kid, learn it."

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you are missing the whole point.

you don't need to find a quote saying that Ronnie had better conditioning than dorian in order to show that it is true.

you seem to think that you do...

you can show it quite easily with real visual evidence, which has been going on for 1500+ pages now.


here is some more in case  you missed it the first time around:

 

You've proven NOTHING other than your own ignorance and stupidity , you're always contradicting eyewitnesses , ever notice that? Dorian is wrong , McGough is wrong , Priest is wrong , Bob Chick is wrong , Chris Gethin is wrong , Kevin Horton is wrong , Bev Francis is wrong , Roger Schwabb is wrong , Jim Rockell is wrong , Julian Schimdt , Ronnie Coleman is wrong , etc , etc , etc

they're all wrong lol what is the pobability they're all wrong? and you alone are wrong? 

[NeoSeminole]

I find it amusing that when popular opinion supports Ronnie, it's referred to as "ad populum" but when it supports Dorian, it's called "fact."

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have 10 people - count them, 10 people - who all say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. To borrow your own line, "that's called converging evidence kid, learn it."

unbeatable compared to who? his competition? at a particular contest lmfao

Neo you have nothing

I have converging evidence which is specific to the two  learn the difference 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I find it pathetic and amusing that when popular opinion supports Ronnie, it's called "ad populum" but when it supports Dorian, it's called "fact."

depends on the context and what we're talking about , the best of all time , or who had better conditioning  anything else you need me to explain to you?

[pumpster]

I have 10 people - count them, 10 people - who all say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. To borrow your own line, "that's called converging evidence kid, learn it."

bwhaahahahahaha the irony is that ND's a punkass, telling everyone else they're kids LOL


Coleman here clearly dominating Levrone's width. Levrone wider than Yates...

Coleman >>> Yates re: width AND taper LOL

[bizzy]

My VCR tape of the 1999 Mr. Olympia was bought
before there was a DVD version of the 1999 Mr. O available.
Here is a digital picture taken from my TV and a screen cap
from the VCR. Notice the colors are the same.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I got your quotes right here, dumbass.

RONNIE IS UNBEATABLE

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006

“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been”

RONNIE IS UNBEATABLE

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

This has been amended but I'm sure you knew this lol key word opinion on a very subjective topic such as the best of all-time or unbeatable this is in NO WAY a fact and is very much open for discussion

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

What does this have to do with Dorian? nothing . and let me teach you what the word arguably means

Arguably : Open to argument: an arguable question, still unresolved.

pay attention to the word open to argument , and we can most certainly include Ronnie in the argument as the best bodybuilder who ever lived , are arguable Dorian Yates is , or Arnold Schwarzenegger or Lee Haney

example Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.

It doesn't mean Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder of all time because someone claimed it , its arguable . reread this is necessary

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

again it's arguable and depends on the context , if they're specifically mean he's the greatest who ever lived because he has the most Olympia wins with the most career wins , I have no problem with that because it's true , however it doesn't mean that Dorian couldn't beat him , I hope this helps ?

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

His subjective opinion which is very much open for debate and Flex Wheeler's opinion leaves a lot to be desired lol he's the same genius who had Ronnie winning the who pre-judging in 2007 so his sensibilities are lacking

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

key word probably , again his opinion on a very subjective topic which is arguable , see a pattern here? in no way shape or form fact .

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Another dumb quote meant to prove something and doesn't he's stating the obvious it was after the 2003 Mr Olympia and Ronnie did set the new standard for size and acceptable conditioning , Dorian did the same thing in 1993 old news it doesn't mean he's unbeatable

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Wow another 2003 Mr Olympia quote  again moron he's stating the obvious and one , Ronnie in 2003 wasn't at his best and two he's commenting on his competition at the 2003 Mr Olympia it has NOTHNING to do with Dorian Yates

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

did you miss the part where he said ' I think ' again I think doesn't make it a fact , its a subjective opinion its very much open for debate , it may very well be true , you're constantly stuck in this logic of subjectivity and you're trying to push it off as fact , thats not how it works

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

Yeah another 2003 Olympia quote lol stating the obvious , he was in a class by himself he was the best bodybuilder on the planet in 2003 has NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

wow yet another 2003 quote lol this is proof of how his competition fared and if I remember correctly Dorian Yates wasn't a competitor at the 2003 Mr Olympia lol I love these dumb little quotes that prove Ronnie dominated his mediocre competition in a particular year and you're trying to claim this applies to Dorian Yates as well , thats just retard logic.

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

This proves you're desperate and stupid trying once again to lump Yates in with Ronnie's competition in 2003 lol

Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006

“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been”

PROBABLY did you even bother to read these quotes? lol this is subjective and open for discussion in no way shape or form is Branch Warren the final authority on who the greatest bodybuilder there has ever been and it depends on the context if he's referring to amount of Olympia wins and career wins he's right but that doesn't mean Dorian at his best couldn't beat Ronnie at his

all of your bullshit is addressed , corrected and dismissed . these quote are subjective and open for discussion and are in no way , shape or form a fact , most referred to his competition at a specific year and has nothing to do with Dorian Yates at 269 pounds .

you keep trying to pass this off as fact its NOT , its not converging evidence that Ronnie would beat Dorian at his best .

[NarcissisticDeity]

My VCR tape of the 1999 Mr. Olympia was bought
before there was a DVD version of the 1999 Mr. O available.
Here is a digital picture taken from my TV and a screen cap
from the VCR. Notice the colors are the same.

Why would we use your crappy VCR version if we have the DVD screencaps?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ON THE SUBJECT OF SIZE

Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia

"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."

This means what exactly? he's big? lol who's debating he wasn't big?

[bizzy]

Why would we use your crappy VCR version if we have the DVD screencaps?

Because there are some great shots that have been missed such as
the front double bicep I posted last night.

[NarcissisticDeity]

BEST BACK EVER

Jim Schmaltz – Flex, April 2002

“The 37-year-old Coleman has what many of the sport's analysts feel is the best back ever.”

Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006

"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness."

BEST BACK EVER

Jim Schmaltz – Flex, April 2002

“The 37-year-old Coleman has what many of the sport's analysts feel is the best back ever.”

many feel it is doesn't mean it is , and many feel Dorian's is doesn't mean it is , many feel Joel Stubbs is doesn't mean it is , see a pattern here?

Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006

"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness."

See above 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Because there are some great shots that have been missed such as
the front double bicep I posted last night.

There are DVD scans of his front double biceps shot , I'm not sure if that one has been posted but other have been , again the VCR version isn't as good as the DVD why use it?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ON THE SUBJECT OF CONDITIONING

Peter McGough - unknown

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm

“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”

Peter McGough - unknown

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

please see he was never drier or harder than Dorian.

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

it's posed as a question and please see he was never drier or harder than Dorian.

Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm

“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”

Ronnie was in very good condition for this show , oh and please see he was never drier or harder than Dorian. 

[bizzy]

There are DVD scans of his front double biceps shot , I'm not sure if that one has been posted but other have been , again the VCR version isn't as good as the DVD why use it?

Because of shots like this...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Because of shots like this...

you mean adjusted?

[bizzy]

you mean adjusted?

You can call it whatever you like..doesn't bother me.
The fact is that I have a version that was pre-DVD
and this is how it looks. I have not touched the lighting on these
or done any kind of adjutments. I admitted to the ones I did in the past
which were 4 pictures and those are no longer used by anyone.
I think the leg shot I posted last is too dark and I could make it look
alot better but I have agreed to not do that anymore and have stuck to my word.

[Hulkster]

Bizzy, ND is just trying to get us to stop posting 99 Ronnie screenshots all together because they dominate anything dorian ever presented.

including the 93 dorian screenshots.

don't fall into his trap.

we can all see right through it:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bizzy, ND is just trying to get us to stop posting 99 Ronnie screenshots all together because they dominate anything dorian ever presented.

including the 93 dorian screenshots.

don't fall into his trap.

we can all see right through it:

Ha Ha Ha Ha more meltdown material for Hulkster lol you keep posting photoshopped pics kid and I'll keep exposing you .

[Hulkster]

Ha Ha Ha Ha more meltdown material for Hulkster lol you keep posting photoshopped pics kid and I'll keep exposing you .

the fact that you keep insisting that all these pics are photoshopped shows how incredibly stupid you are.

I can post old screenshots or new ones untouched by Bizzy and you still say they are all photoshopped..

just be glad you never went farther than highschool.

it would have been really tough for you, apparently.

[NarcissisticDeity]

the fact that you keep insisting that all these pics are photoshopped shows how incredibly stupid you are.

I can post old screenshots or new ones untouched by Bizzy and you still say they are all photoshopped..

just be glad you never went farther than highschool.

it would have been really tough for you, apparently.

No not just insisting but PROVING  there in lies the difference

[NarcissisticDeity]

You can call it whatever you like..doesn't bother me.
The fact is that I have a version that was pre-DVD
and this is how it looks. I have not touched the lighting on these
or done any kind of adjutments. I admitted to the ones I did in the past
which were 4 pictures and those are no longer used by anyone.
I think the leg shot I posted last is too dark and I could make it look
alot better but I have agreed to not do that anymore and have stuck to my word.

let me get this straight now , the reason you say these differ are because yours is from a VHS copy and its darker? is this correct?

[bizzy]

Bizzy, ND is just trying to get us to stop posting 99 Ronnie screenshots all together because they dominate anything dorian ever presented.

including the 93 dorian screenshots.

don't fall into his trap.

we can all see right through it:

Like I said it doesn't bother me one bit because I know I'm being honest.
It's still all subjective.
Peter McGough is a friend and fellow countryman of Yates.
It would be only speculation on my part whether that plays any role
in his assessment of his physique. I know Bill Pearl dropped out of being
a judge @ the 1980 Mr. Olympia because he was friends with Chris Dickerson.
Despite all that, one man's opionion weighs very small in the big picture of this debate.
For example: And this is example holds no weight of it's own; just a quick theory.
100,000 fans = 50% in this debate
5000 hardcore fans, competitors, ect. = 30% - You and ND would fall in this category.
100 true experts = 20% Peter would fall in this category.
So his opinion would weigh in at .5% in this whole debate and ND is slyly acting
like God has spoken and the debate is over.