Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

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Nice pic reminding us how tiny Haney's arms were in relation to torso LOL

Nice pic of Coleman looking like a pig and getting owned by a 40 pounds smaller Haney!

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Wrong ! I have quote specific to this argument that say Ronnie was NEVER as dry or as hard as Dorian that  clearly favors Dorian . and NO there is ONE quote from Flex Wheeler saying Ronnie is the biggest most conditioned bodybuilder ever and his opinion leaves a lot to be desired , just see his critique of the 2007 Mr Olympia where he had Ronnie Coleman winning the whole show after pre-judging lol his opinion is lacking , I've yet to see a single quote that says Ronnie is drier & harder than Dorian ever was lol for a reason , again I have quote from and IFBB judge raving about Dorian's balance & proportion and other that converge on the same point , yet these quote's raving about Ronnie's balance & proportion much like the ones on his conditioning are M.I.A. things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm

I've NEVER once ran from anyone's opinion not your , Hulksters or any other person on this thread , I have all the answers  and Oh I disagree I think Dorian clearly meets the rules better than Ronnie , I already proved my point about his balance & proportion using quotes , pictures and my lengthy explanation why , the same with conditioning & density , once again supplemented by reputable sources specific to the two , what is left? muscular size , well that's easy to prove pick a year , 1998? Dorian is 269 pounds thats more muscular size than Ronnie's 249 pounds , same as 1999 and his 257 pounds , same with 2001's 245 pounds , oh lets not forget posing , neither are Lee Labrada but Dorian does effectively pose better than Ronnie and his more complete , so again I beg to differ Dorian does meet the criteria better than Ronnie

It's not my fault you confuse easily , let me know what you need explained and I'll teach you 

Has NOTHING to do with Yates , Jay doesn't have a x-mass tree first of all and you can find quotes talking about the loose skin on Jay's back NEVER once for Yates , big difference . Dorian's lower lats & lower back are outstanding again any loose hanging skin wouldn't be razor sharp in a pose designed to showcase tight as a drum detail , NONSENSE his back is loose hanging skin thats pure dense muscle and nothing more , Dorian is noted for his legendary conditioning and you geniuses figured out it was all a lie at home on your computers lol I mean get serious

first off thanks for the first chapter of your new book. secondly your last paragraph shows how stupid you truly are. jay has an xmas tree, he did in 01 and he still had loose skin in the lat spread, this proves my point. i dont see any counter evidence. please tell us what the circles are showing in the lat spread, since i owned you on anatomy you wont be able to use that fucking excuse anymore lol.


its not muscle because the muscles attachments arent even in the circles areas, now your going against science that is clearly reproducible. i thought you where a thinking man? your thinking goes out the window due to bias i see.

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i would like to point out that in that bottom comparison ronnies read lat spread is completely owning dorians, from a size, shape, detail, conditioning standpoint, and i dont even have to mention the glutes and hams.

classic usmoke blanket statement , you just type what you like and prefer and prove nothing

Dorian's latspreads crush Ronnie's because he has advantages Ronnie doesn't , Dorian has better balance & proportion , he's more complete , he actually has calves , his conditioning is better than Ronnies and he's 260 pounds of dense muscle

what does Arnold Schwarzenegger have to say about when you hit a rear latspread and try and pose the calves and nothing happen?

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classic usmoke blanket statement , you just type what you like and prefer and prove nothing

Dorian's latspreads crush Ronnie's because he has advantages Ronnie doesn't , Dorian has better balance & proportion , he's more complete , he actually has calves , his conditioning is better than Ronnies and he's 260 pounds of dense muscle

what does Arnold Schwarzenegger have to say about when you hit a rear latspread and try and pose the calves and nothing happen?

incorrect, please use the comparison iceman posted to show us how dorian is more conditioned?

proportion is false, he is not more complete, he is certainly not more conditioned. having calves doesnt make you more complete, he lacks upper chest, biceps, should roundness and size, among other things. he lacks seperation in the biceps that ronnie has, seperation in the quads that ronnie has, the glute ham tie in that ronnie has. your blanket statments of being mroe complete are ignorant.

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first off thanks for the first chapter of your new book. secondly your last paragraph shows how stupid you truly are. jay has an xmas tree, he did in 01 and he still had loose skin in the lat spread, this proves my point. i dont see any counter evidence. please tell us what the circles are showing in the lat spread, since i owned you on anatomy you wont be able to use that fucking excuse anymore lol.


its not muscle because the muscles attachments arent even in the circles areas, now your going against science that is clearly reproducible. i thought you where a thinking man? your thinking goes out the window due to bias i see.

first off thanks for the first chapter of your new book. secondly your last paragraph shows how stupid you truly are. jay has an xmas tree, he did in 01 and he still had loose skin in the lat spread, this proves my point. i dont see any counter evidence. please tell us what the circles are showing in the lat spread, since i owned you on anatomy you wont be able to use that fucking excuse anymore lol.

I know you're prone to stupidity when you type but it's getting worse NO Jay doesn't have an x-mass tree he's NEVER had an x-mass tree , he's NEVER shown any great development and detail of the spinal erectors and lower lats thats just monumentally stupid

again you're arguing with bodybuilding history Dorian's conditioning is legendary and never once anywhere a statement of loose hanging skin because there is NONE again you people can't escape that fact , Dorian's back is as tight and dry and dense as they ever came , anyone who says his conditioning especially in his back is lacking is just talking out their ass

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I know you're prone to stupidity when you type but it's getting worse NO Jay doesn't have an x-mass tree he's NEVER had an x-mass tree , he's NEVER shown any great development and detail of the spinal erectors and lower lats thats just monumentally stupid

again you're arguing with bodybuilding history Dorian's conditioning is legendary and never once anywhere a statement of loose hanging skin because there is NONE again you people can't escape that fact , Dorian's back is as tight and dry and dense as they ever came , anyone who says his conditioning especially in his back is lacking is just talking out their ass

HAHA watch me own you, see the haney pic and ronnie pic. RONNIE HAS LOOSE SKIN on his abs there. i have not seen one quote, one person ever mention ronnie has loose skin in that pose ever. i wont connect the dots for you, i will let you do that yourself.

jay had a christmas tree, to argue that he doesnt would mean he has some genetic defect in the lats origin. again you have no knowledge of the human body so stop pretending like you have an education in the area. you make people like me and others on this board who have paid 100 000 of thousands to obtain their degress cringe when you type googled info like you have some education. your total lack of logic also tells me your iq is rather low.

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incorrect, please use the comparison iceman posted to show us how dorian is more conditioned?

proportion is false, he is not more complete, he is certainly not more conditioned. having calves doesnt make you more complete, he lacks upper chest, biceps, should roundness and size, among other things. he lacks seperation in the biceps that ronnie has, seperation in the quads that ronnie has, the glute ham tie in that ronnie has. your blanket statments of being mroe complete are ignorant.

Pictures aren't accurate and seeing I wasn't there and neither were ANY of you I'll let someone who was tell you who is more conditioned While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

lets say ALL THINGS were equal Ronnie is MISSING calves that makes him INCOMPLETE get it? he lacks upper chest? WTF? great job elaborating on that one  he doesn't lack biceps thats nonsense he has biceps , while certainly not as great as Ronnie they're not lacking to the degree Ronnie's oil injected calves are and they're in proportion with his triceps and forearms , and he lacks Ronnie's biceps split and detail? thats genetic hence why NOT all bodybuilders have split biceps , Dorian's biceps are good enough , let me tell you what I told Hulkster , Dorian doesn't have to look like Ronnie to beat Ronnie , he beat him 8 times and never looked anything like him or Flex or Shawn , Ronnie's only advantage in quad separation is the rectus femoris , addressed many times , Dorian has striated glutes and hams and his tie ins are very good just need the right pic to show it

Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in balance & proportion because his calves aren't proportionate to his quads , his glutes are overdeveloped and NOT in proportion with the rest of his physique , you know they're not when they can be viewed from the front for christ's sake , his torso is short , his arms are to long and big for his torso , his forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps , Dorian's conditioning and balance is better than Ronnies , its old news

anything else you need corrected ?

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Pictures aren't accurate and seeing I wasn't there and neither were ANY of you I'll let someone who was tell you who is more conditioned While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

lets say ALL THINGS were equal Ronnie is MISSING calves that makes him INCOMPLETE get it? he lacks upper chest? WTF? great job elaborating on that one  he doesn't lack biceps thats nonsense he has biceps , while certainly not as great as Ronnie they're not lacking to the degree Ronnie's oil injected calves are and they're in proportion with his triceps and forearms , and he lacks Ronnie's biceps split and detail? thats genetic hence why NOT all bodybuilders have split biceps , Dorian's biceps are good enough , let me tell you what I told Hulkster , Dorian doesn't have to look like Ronnie to beat Ronnie , he beat him 8 times and never looked anything like him or Flex or Shawn , Ronnie's only advantage in quad separation is the rectus femoris , addressed many times , Dorian has striated glutes and hams and his tie ins are very good just need the right pic to show it

Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in balance & proportion because his calves aren't proportionate to his quads , his glutes are overdeveloped and NOT in proportion with the rest of his physique , you know they're not when they can be viewed from the front for christ's sake , his torso is short , his arms are to long and big for his torso , his forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps , Dorian's conditioning and balance is better than Ronnies , its old news

anything else you need corrected ?

if dorian is not lacking biceps then ronnie is not lacking calves, ronnie has calves, they are not as bad as dexters or others. dorians biceps are among the worst ever especially after the tear, to argue that ronnie is missing calves and that dorians biceps are not a equal disadvantage is to be biased. you see i can see ronnies flaws, i wont change reality you will.

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HAHA watch me own you, see the haney pic and ronnie pic. RONNIE HAS LOOSE SKIN on his abs there. i have not seen one quote, one person ever mention ronnie has loose skin in that pose ever. i wont connect the dots for you, i will let you do that yourself.

jay had a christmas tree, to argue that he doesnt would mean he has some genetic defect in the lats origin. again you have no knowledge of the human body so stop pretending like you have an education in the area. you make people like me and others on this board who have paid 100 000 of thousands to obtain their degress cringe when you type googled info like you have some education. your total lack of logic also tells me your iq is rather low.

HAHA watch me own you, see the haney pic and ronnie pic. RONNIE HAS LOOSE SKIN on his abs there. i have not seen one quote, one person ever mention ronnie has loose skin in that pose ever. i wont connect the dots for you, i will let you do that yourself.

loose skin on his abs? lmfao I'll leave this statement to stand on its own to legs

jay had a christmas tree, to argue that he doesnt would mean he has some genetic defect in the lats origin. again you have no knowledge of the human body so stop pretending like you have an education in the area. you make people like me and others on this board who have paid 100 000 of thousands to obtain their degress cringe when you type googled info like you have some education. your total lack of logic also tells me your iq is rather low.

Again just because Jay is carrying loose skin it has nothing to do with Dorian Yates , Jay was never known for his conditioning , and there is references to him carrying excess skin in his lower back , there are NONE what so ever about Dorian. and See McGough's quote about NO ONE doing conditioning better than Dorian , no one , but you're directly contradicting his claim and not one single reference to Dorian ever having any loose skin what so ever , and you people think you proved anything? and oh here we go with the resume , man thats always a sign of a meltdown I feel bad for you and/or whoever paid all that money on learning the anatomy of the human body when you can just buy a copy of Gray's Anatomy on Amazon for $20 bucks lol and again you're the genius who stated Ronnie was bigger at 245 pounds than Dorian at 269 pounds , please don't lecture me on logic lol

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if dorian is not lacking biceps then ronnie is not lacking calves, ronnie has calves, they are not as bad as dexters or others. dorians biceps are among the worst ever especially after the tear, to argue that ronnie is missing calves and that dorians biceps are not a equal disadvantage is to be biased. you see i can see ronnies flaws, i wont change reality you will.

You must love being corrected  no big difference between the two , sorry sport ! Dorian's biceps are developed and are in proportion with his forearms & triceps oh and they're not injected like Ronnie's calves

Ronnie's calves suck , they lack the classic diamond shape , they're high to boot , they lack ANY separation of the gastrocnemius inner & outer heads , and soleus and they're obviously injected with something of and they're not in proportion with his quads , so sorry to disappoint there is a BIG difference and poor calves are much more of a liability than biceps because they can be seen in every single pose from every single angle

here are a few pictures of Dorian's biceps , not the greatest ever but not lacking severely like Coleman's calves or lack there of

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loose skin on his abs? lmfao I'll leave this statement to stand on its own to legs

Again just because Jay is carrying loose skin it has nothing to do with Dorian Yates , Jay was never known for his conditioning , and there is references to him carrying excess skin in his lower back , there are NONE what so ever about Dorian. and See McGough's quote about NO ONE doing conditioning better than Dorian , no one , but you're directly contradicting his claim and not one single reference to Dorian ever having any loose skin what so ever , and you people think you proved anything? and oh here we go with the resume , man thats always a sign of a meltdown I feel bad for you and/or whoever paid all that money on learning the anatomy of the human body when you can just buy a copy of Gray's Anatomy on Amazon for $20 bucks lol and again you're the genius who stated Ronnie was bigger at 245 pounds than Dorian at 269 pounds , please don't lecture me on logic lol

im going to stop arguing with you now you dont adress any of the points made, and make arguments that are in direct juxtapostion to what im saying. your point is that dorians christmas tree PROVES he has no loose skin on the lower back in the lat spread. i disproved this by using a jay cutler example of how he has the same thing, others also have this too. this disproves your assertion, hence your continued argument of it makes it pointless to argue as your not interested in truth, your like a fundy christian.

your second argument is that because no one has mentioned that dorian has loose skin on the lower back that is must not exist, and you provide evidence by showing that others mention jays loose sking. there is some correlation here and its a good point but it doesnt prove your point. however, my example of how ronnie has obvious loose skin in the front lat spread but it has never been mentioned also shows that just because it wasnt mentioned does not mean it didnt exist, your logical fallacy.


so now we can move on from these points because you have been proven wrong on both account by pics and by logic.

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LOL ND being owned again and again..

it makes it pointless to argue as your not interested in truth,

exactly.

anyone who says these wrinkles of loose skin are 'erector spinae' is completly stupid and doesn't give a shit about reality.

they are only interested in the fantasy that they want to believe:

 

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so if you where not such a pseudointellect you could understand that at best quotes are a wash since both sides are supported. please back up your statements with pictures of both at said contests, and lets see who appears more conditioned. oh thats right, you wont because dorian gets fucking pwnd everytime. your stupidity and ignorance are shocking to me. if you prefer dorian that is fine, but to argue it in the face of overwhelming evidence that this was not the case is just your bias controlling you.

well said.

ND I would love you to intelligently and coherently try and address these points, because that is exactly what is going on.

but, no doubt you wil just ignore this and post some quotes again..

[Hulkster]

LMFAO loose skin thats muscle kid thats his erector spinae learn anatomy

ND, you really need to go to school man..

[Hulkster]

nice try on the quote too, lol. your delusion is amusing as hell

I am still trying to figure out if the guy truly does not understand english, or, if he does understand what the quote is saying but chooses to ignore it...

 

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here are a few pictures of Dorian's biceps , not the greatest ever but not lacking severely like Coleman's calves or lack there of

I have news for you: close-ups make everything look big. Here are full-body shots of Dorian's twigs.

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Hey look, Coleman has loose skin on his abdomen 

yes he does.

I love how when dorian is getting KILLED by 99 Ronnie these idiots bring up 2003 Ronnie in an attempt to make Ronnie look bad..

lol

 

99 Ronnie owns Haney so bad its not even funny:

so, what is your point?

 

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LOL ND being owned again and again..

exactly.

anyone who says these wrinkles of loose skin are 'erector spinae' is completly stupid and doesn't give a shit about reality.

they are only interested in the fantasy that they want to believe:

 

nd please tell me what those wrinkles are above the posing trunks in anatomical terms? thank you. if you refuse to answer, or post a pic of another pose then its obvious you are admitting defeat. at least try to make a sane argument or admit he has loose skin. i can see it, i have an educaiton in anatomy, enough for clinical usage so i know thats loose skin. im not an expert but no muscle group in the back presents like that, no muscle runs medial to lateraly in the lower back save a deep intrinsic muscle.

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Hulkster, do you think you know more than McGough and Horton?

Pubes, we have been through this before. PS - funny how you claim not to be Pubes yet you use the same arguments word for word as he did lol

bodybuilding is NOT about 'Knowing" more than someone else.

it is about assessing visual comparisons right in front of your eyes.

if dorian has loose skin the rear lat spread, he has loose skin in the rear lat spread. Period.

it doesn't matter if Peter or kevin says he doesn't. The fact is that he does as displayed in dozens of shots in this thread.

 

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I have news for you: close-ups make everything look big. Here are full-body shots of Dorian's twigs.

BWAHAHAHA in that hunched over one arm shot dorians bicep is missing completely lol. it has no peak,  no shape, no size, is at the same level as his shoulder, you cannot see any seperation, within the muscle group or between them. how is this not a missing muscle group, ronnies calves at points have been decent, and in proportion they just lack detail, they have been huge which maintains proportion, dorians biceps are lagging behind his back.


man seriously dorian looks like shit in those poses, fuck

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if dorian is not lacking biceps then ronnie is not lacking calves, ronnie has calves, they are not as bad as dexters or others. dorians biceps are among the worst ever especially after the tear, to argue that ronnie is missing calves and that dorians biceps are not a equal disadvantage is to be biased. you see i can see ronnies flaws, i wont change reality you will.

what did you expect from ND, the idiot? Can you believe he actually posted the pic of the guy on the left as an example of what small arms look like? I photoshopped them next to each other to compare. You tell me who's arms look smaller.

[Hulkster]

BWAHAHAHA in that hunched over one arm shot dorians bicep is missing completely lol. it has no peak,  no shape, no size, is at the same level as his shoulder, you cannot see any seperation, within the muscle group or between them. how is this not a missing muscle group, ronnies calves at points have been decent, and in proportion they just lack detail, they have been huge which maintains proportion, dorians biceps are lagging behind his back.


man seriously dorian looks like shit in those poses, fuck

welcome to the world of overratedness..

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what did you expect from ND, the idiot? Can you believe he actually posted the pic of the guy on the left as an example of what small arms look like? I photoshopped them next to each other to compare. You tell me who's arms look smaller.

shitty thin is that his arms are more conditioned then dorians along with being bigger. not only that but his quads blow dorians away lol.

[Hulkster]

shitty thin is that his arms are more conditioned then dorians along with being bigger. not only that but his quads blow dorians away lol.

well, dorian was nothing special from the front..

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