Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

of course it isn't.

but to ND, simple tasks and simple logic or physique evaluation seem incredibly difficult to understand.

most fans (as we can clearly see) are not that stupid.

according to ND, in order to judge a contest properly you have to listen to exactly what Uncle Joe says and disregard anything you see onstage..

luckily, fans who evaluate physiques don't do this.

makes them a lot better.

eg. the judges gave this a PERFECT score in the SYMMETRY ROUND?

 

luckily, hardcore fans know better.

too bad ND doesn't..

No first you have to be knowledgeable , which I proven consistently you're not , two you have to there live and in person lol which you were NOT and three you have to be there live and in person and not 25 rows back

and again I'm going to pin point exactly how ignorant you are about bodybuilding , Dorian won the symmetry round with a perfect score for a reason , you think having one bicep shorter than the other compromises his symmetry , it doesn't because symmetry isn't referred to as left/right exactness in shape just in size ( among other things ) and his bicep both of them are roughly the same size , there is no massive discrepancy is size but its noticeable one is shorter and the IFBB judge who proceeded over this very contest said " Dorian had a slight injury which made NO overall ( pay attention to this word ) overall difference what so ever "

and to further showcase how little you know about competitive bodybuilding ALL ROUNDS are PHYSIQUE ROUNDS , I've said this many times , you still cannot grasp what this means , the most symmetrical guy never wins the symmetry round ever wonder why? because ALL ROUNDS are PHYSIQUE ROUNDS , the same reason why Ronnie Coleman can win the posing round despite never being able to pose like Lee Labrada , because ALL ROUNDS are PHYSIQUE ROUNDS learn this dummy.

Oh and your great sensibilities for judging physiques lead you to decide Dorian Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler who admitted himself he was very lucky to beat Shawn Ray for second lol what was that again about physique evaluation? what was that about it being ' easy ' lol you're idiot and I can show that with every single post because you're prone to stupid statements which always have a way of coming back to haunt you lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

agreed.

but ND still says we are all morons (or have IQ's below 90? ) for not agreeing with the "superhuman judges" or the 'perfect score"

LMAO 

what an idiot.

Hulkster my argument hasn't changed one bit  and again more stupid assumption on your part , you don't know the first thing about my education level , you don't know what my IQ is . 

and having a high IQ for this debate means NOTHING and I'll let the late Issac Asimov explain why

What is intelligence, anyway? When I was in the army, I received the kind of aptitude test that all soldiers took and, against a normal of 100, scored 160. No one at the base had ever seen a figure like that, and for two hours they made a big fuss over me. (It didn't mean anything. The next day I was still a buck private with KP - kitchen police - as my highest duty.)

All my life I've been registering scores like that, so that I have the complacent feeling that I'm highly intelligent, and I expect other people to think so too. Actually, though, don't such scores simply mean that I am very good at answering the type of academic questions that are considered worthy of answers by people who make up the intelligence tests - people with intellectual bents similar to mine?

For instance, I had an auto-repair man once, who, on these intelligence tests, could not possibly have scored more than 80, by my estimate. I always took it for granted that I was far more intelligent than he was. Yet, when anything went wrong with my car I hastened to him with it, watched him anxiously as he explored its vitals, and listened to his pronouncements as though they were divine oracles - and he always fixed my car.

Well, then, suppose my auto-repair man devised questions for an intelligence test. Or suppose a carpenter did, or a farmer, or, indeed, almost anyone but an academician. By every one of those tests, I'd prove myself a moron, and I'd be a moron, too. In a world where I could not use my academic training and my verbal talents but had to do something intricate or hard, working with my hands, I would do poorly. My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in and of the fact that a small subsection of that society has managed to foist itself on the rest as an arbiter of such matters.

Consider my auto-repair man, again. He had a habit of telling me jokes whenever he saw me. One time he raised his head from under the automobile hood to say: "Doc, a deaf-and-mute guy went into a hardware store to ask for some nails. He put two fingers together on the counter and made hammering motions with the other hand. The clerk brought him a hammer. He shook his head and pointed to the two fingers he was hammering. The clerk brought him nails. He picked out the sizes he wanted, and left. Well, doc, the next guy who came in was a blind man. He wanted scissors. How do you suppose he asked for them?"

Indulgently, I lifted by right hand and made scissoring motions with my first two fingers. Whereupon my auto-repair man laughed raucously and said, "Why, you dumb jerk, He used his voice and asked for them." Then he said smugly, "I've been trying that on all my customers today." "Did you catch many?" I asked. "Quite a few," he said, "but I knew for sure I'd catch you." "Why is that?" I asked. "Because you're so goddamned educated, doc, I knew you couldn't be very smart."

And I have an uneasy feeling he had something there

when it comes to competitive bodybuilding I'm Edward Witten and you're well Hulkster lol 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Brutal taper displayed by the man on the right
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Ah you need another pic , where he's actually tensing his obliques do they don't stick out so much , and his taper is very good , not the best but damn oh this is the same contest BTW

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Again instead of proving your case , what do you do? nothing and judges base their opinion on a set of criteria not on personal preference , and apparently judging physiques is not very easy hence why NONE of you people can even grasp the simplest concepts , it remind me of when Hulkster claimed he's just as qualified to judge based solely on pictures than the judges are live & in person , pure stupidity .

again prove your point don't make blanket statements thats how its done.

ive proven every argument i have made.

also if you want we can debate any intellectual topic for ownership of accounts since you claim to be so smart. since its a bodybuilding board why dont we make it nutrition, or anatomy. perhaps even physiology?

i doubt you'll except but i just wanted to point out that  you really have no idea about any of the stuff your talking about. you dont know anatomy and are clearly lacking argumentative skills, as you make the same points over and over and adress no ones points.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sad this man was allowed perfect scores.

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he wasn't allowed he earned , big difference.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ive proven every argument i have made.

also if you want we can debate any intellectual topic for ownership of accounts since you claim to be so smart. since its a bodybuilding board why dont we make it nutrition, or anatomy. perhaps even physiology?

i doubt you'll except but i just wanted to point out that  you really have no idea about any of the stuff your talking about. you dont know anatomy and are clearly lacking argumentative skills, as you make the same points over and over and adress no ones points.

Again you've proven NOTHING stop typing to the contrary what have you done? typed blanket statements , you're the idiot who thinks you're just as qualified to judge a contest at home using pictures than a judge is seated a few feet away . you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding.

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You always attempt to type big words yet can't even spell them lol this makes you look retarded , ok a few typos but what the fuck .

majority opinion is junk see argument ad populum. 88% of Americans are Christians and they all believe is Jesus Christ is God , 88% of people can't be wrong  weak logic

totally moronic example, for one religion is a huge part of culture and a main stay in the up  bringing of american life. bodybuilding is not, and has a little niche and those who do it, are usually well informed and choose to do it. also, your example is of a faith based opinion and deals with peoples issues with their finite existence to which many are illogical. if you look at the majority opinion on none faith based but factual evidence based opinions like bodybuilding the majority rules. for example, most people beleive that corticosteriods are the treatment for asthma, or main stay, while some the minority beleive a accupuncture needle to the dome is the answer. your example is a poor one and the subjects couldnt be more different.

bodybuilding is the minority and people in it are usually knowledgable on the subject, as most of them are past competitors etc...

[NarcissisticDeity]

totally moronic example, for one religion is a huge part of culture and a main stay in the up  bringing of american life. bodybuilding is not, and has a little niche and those who do it, are usually well informed and choose to do it. also, your example is of a faith based opinion and deals with peoples issues with their finite existence to which many are illogical. if you look at the majority opinion on none faith based but factual evidence based opinions like bodybuilding the majority rules. for example, most people beleive that corticosteriods are the treatment for asthma, or main stay, while some the minority beleive a accupuncture needle to the dome is the answer. your example is a poor one and the subjects couldnt be more different.

bodybuilding is the minority and people in it are usually knowledgable on the subject, as most of them are past competitors etc...

Its the exact same thing , popular opinion see argument ad populum , a popular opinion doesn't make it right . thats the bottom line.

I though we agreed you would use spell check?

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Again you've proven NOTHING stop typing to the contrary what have you done? typed blanket statements , you're the idiot who thinks you're just as qualified to judge a contest at home using pictures than a judge is seated a few feet away . you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding.

i have proven that dorian has wrinkles on his back, that lats not fucking shoulders provide taper, and that the use of quotes is almost meaningless in this discussion. i have also proven that you dont know shit, when you said the wrinkles aka loose skin are the erector group. there are many others but i cant remember them off hand.

you just kick and scream when you get owned and repeat the same argument or write a 40 page essay so that no one will respond and give up. you;ve proven yourself to be an idiot, no doubts about it.


no spell check

[Hulkster]

LOL I am laughing at how badly ND is being owned, and how he ignores the mountains of points and visual evidence stacked against him lol

 

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Its the exact same thing , popular opinion see argument ad populum , a popular opinion doesn't make it right . thats the bottom line.

I though we agreed you would use spell check?

it doesnt make it right, there is no right in this discussion per se as the contest never happened. you have know idea what causation is so shut up. when people who are considered experts in a field agree upon something it adds credence to that topic, this is called authority and is one of the eight principles of causation. i would consider competitors and avid fans experts in bodybuilding as the sport is a very small sport with very few ways to gain knowledge save compete and read about it. the fanbase is also extremely small.

[Hulkster]

Its the exact same thing , popular opinion see argument ad populum , a popular opinion doesn't make it right . thats the bottom line.

LOL it is NOT the same thing idiot.

religous beliefs are not based on concrete evidence. Yet many people believe them anyway. A strong argument for the existence of a 'god'? hell no.

this debate is however: open your eyes. its everywhere idiot.. 1500 pages of visual domination, visual exposure of inaccurate scoring, and eyewitness accounts of real contests..

a strong argument for the fact that Ronnie 99 is a lot better than anything dorian ever brought to the stage?

hell yes.

learn the difference oh uneducated one.

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL it is NOT the same thing idiot.

religous beliefs are not based on concrete evidence. Yet many people believe them anyway. A strong argument for the existence of a 'god'? hell no.

this debate is however: open your eyes. its everywhere idiot.. 1500 pages of visual domination, visual exposure of inaccurate scoring, and eyewitness accounts of real contests..

a strong argument for the fact that Ronnie 99 is a lot better than anything dorian ever brought to the stage?

hell yes.

learn the difference oh uneducated one.

 

No again its all majority or popular opinion the Christians believe there is a TON of evidence for the existence of God , just like you BELIEVE those 99 screen caps are evidence of Ronnie being better .

you're an idiot for clinging to weak arguments , its old news 

[NarcissisticDeity]

it doesnt make it right, there is no right in this discussion per se as the contest never happened. you have know idea what causation is so shut up. when people who are considered experts in a field agree upon something it adds credence to that topic, this is called authority and is one of the eight principles of causation. i would consider competitors and avid fans experts in bodybuilding as the sport is a very small sport with very few ways to gain knowledge save compete and read about it. the fanbase is also extremely small.

Stop passing yourself and these idiots off as ' experts ' first of all , second I have quotes specific to this argument that state Dorian has better conditioning & density , and balance & proportion , I've proven my point what have you done? nothing  all you do is type while you're at it make an effort to spell correctly.

[Hulkster]

well, if you still 'believe' that dorian has better conditioning than Ronnie 99 based on the overwhelming visual evidence showing otherwise in this thread, well, you really don't know how to evaluate conditioning, now do you?

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

well, if you still 'believe' that dorian has better conditioning than Ronnie 99 based on the overwhelming visual evidence showing otherwise in this thread, well, you really don't know how to evaluate conditioning, now do you?

 

I don't believe I know from someone who was at both contests , you're just an internet-fan-boy what do you again? lol

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


he was never drier or harder than Dorian.  I don't need a ' Hulkster-type-University-degree ' or to be a " Certified Personal Trainer ' to see NEVER includes 1999 , 2001 , 1998 lol

You're a simpleton and I laugh at you because I can

[Hulkster]

LOL the fact that you agree with a quote from Peter that claims that a soft 269 pound bloated dorian is 'harder' than a 99 ronnie coleman is just astounding..

 

what good is a quote or an opinon that is so easily proven WRONG?

please answer this question ND.

its so easily proven wrong its not even FUNNY:

[Hulkster]

LOL look at that ND.

are you truly that stupid that you think dorian is harder than Ronnie?

LOL
 

[Hulkster]

hey everyone! look at how much harder dorian was than Ronnie!

LOL

 

honestly ND, you are incredibly blind and stupid that you cling to a quote not even supported in even ONE INSTANCE by A SINGLE SHREAD OF VISUAL PROOF..

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL the fact that you agree with a quote from Peter that claims that a soft 269 pound bloated dorian is 'harder' than a 99 ronnie coleman is just astounding..

 

what good is a quote or an opinon that is so easily proven WRONG?

please answer this question ND.

its so easily proven wrong its not even FUNNY:

Hulkster how do you know Yates was soft & bloated where you there? NO McGough was , How do you know Dorian wasn't drier or harder than Ronnie? did you ever meet them both? NO 

Dorian has gone on record saying he's better conditioned than Ronnie , so has Lee Priest , are all of these guys wrong? and Hulkster despite never seeing ANY of them be right? its called logic and its extremely illogical for you to think you're right based on a few pictures compared to people who were all there , I have no 1 but 3 people all claiming the same thing thats called converging evidence something you wouldn't know about

Oh and BTW another one of your weak arguments , strawman lol look it  you have NO abilities , you specifically choose those pictures because they're lower quality than the black & whites , you did so because they were a crappy compressed version on Youtube compared to crystal clear screencaps from a DVD and I'm sure you kept in mind Dorian is untanned , has no posing oil on and no contest lighting lol

again you don't know how to argue , you're not bright at all , you use every trick in the book for a reason . you're not that smart .

[Hulkster]

Hulkster how do you know Yates was soft & bloated where you there? NO McGough was , How do you know Dorian wasn't drier or harder than Ronnie? did you ever meet them both? NO 

jesus christ ND, can't you fucking SEE?

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

hey everyone! look at how much harder dorian was than Ronnie!

LOL

 

honestly ND, you are incredibly blind and stupid that you cling to a quote not even supported in even ONE INSTANCE by A SINGLE SHREAD OF VISUAL PROOF..

See above and please refer to strawman another one of your weak arguments , of and couple that with 3 eyewitnesses who all say the obvious , Dorian's conditioning is BETTER than Ronnies

[Hulkster]

 I love how ND claims that 1500 pages of visual evidence contradicting his claim (that few people are dumb enough to agree with in the first place) is a 'strawman".

LOL

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

jesus christ ND, can't you fucking SEE?

 

Absolutely I can see and I can couple what I see with a quote praising this conditioning as ' rock hard ' can you do the same?

Dorian is an amazingly hard 269 pounds , dense as stone . little Ronnie wouldn't be able to stand next to this and gain ANY ground , Dorian would win straight firsts .

[Hulkster]

Dorian's conditioning is BETTER than Ronnies

you just keep believing that ND..

 

its good that you have no visual evidence to back up your argument.

in a visual sport. LOL