Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Matt C]

the irony of you calling anyone a troll lol I love it and enough with the alias nonsense

I may not have noticed it was you who created the alias, but you made the mistake of putting "Deity" in the user name.

[NarcissisticDeity]

on the contrary, you're the one who is going in circles with no substance to your argument. All you can do is say "I'm right and you're wrong." I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation why density is a separate criteria from conditioning but not definition without contradicting yourself.

Ronnie in 03 presented a better combination of muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, fullness, and shape than Dorian.

on the contrary, you're the one who is going in circles with no substance to your argument. All you can do is say "I'm right and you're wrong." I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation why density is a separate criteria from conditioning but not definition without contradicting yourself.

no substance  it doesn't matter why , forget the why all that matters is that it IS separate , take it up with the IFBB the criteria lists definition/conditioning ( same thing you know ) and density related but NOT the same

Ronnie in 03 presented a better combination of muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, fullness, and shape than Dorian.

Dorian presented better conditioning & density than Ronnie 03 , he has better balance & proportion , he's more complete and he's a better poser hence why he would make Ronnie 03 look soft in comparison and nothing more than a collection of impressive parts

[Tigerman]

he also said " I don't know " don't discount this , and again Dorian at his best satisfies the criteria better , much better than Ronnie 2003 who's conditioning & density aren't their best ( never mind on Dorian's level ) his balance & proportion are at their all-time personal worse ( with the exception of the following year ) Dorian at 269 pounds is almost as big , much better balance & proportion , harder & denser and factor in the other criteria posing , Dorian is a better technical poser , Dorian would beat Ronnie 2003 because he's more complete the same way Dorian beat Nasser who was 285

Again, I am not discounting anything.
For Dorian, IFBB judge, it would be a close call between him and Ronnie. Close, but probably, always according to Yates, he and other judges would give it to Ronnie.
The thing that grosses me out is that for you it wouldn't be so close. You are totally, 100% certain that Dorian would win. For you it's not even a tough question.
Admit it, you are a bigger fan of Dorian than he is of himself, and maybe a bigger fan than his mom also  

[NarcissisticDeity]

LMAO @ ND saying this:

Hmm Dorian Yates said he's better conditioning than Ronnie , I suppose he's not that bright too? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again, I am not discounting anything.
For Dorian, IFBB judge, it would be a close call between him and Ronnie. Close, but probably, always according to Yates, he and other judges would give it to Ronnie.
The thing that grosses me out is that for you it wouldn't be so close. You are totally, 100% certain that Dorian would win. For you it's not even a tough question.
Admit it, you are a bigger fan of Dorian than he is of himself, and maybe more than his mom also 

Wrong , I said it would be close but I do think Dorian satisfies the criteria better , in fact Yates already said he's better conditioned and has better balance , whats left? bulk? big deal Yates beat plenty of bigger men less conditioned men than himself , and Dorian's a better poser all this favors Yates

and as as soon as Yates said I guess Ronnie would beat me it was followed by I don't know .

[NeoSeminole]

no substance it doesn't matter why , forget the why all that matters is that it IS separate , take it up with the IFBB the criteria lists definition/conditioning ( same thing you know ) and density related but NOT the same

I don't have to take anything up with the IFBB b/c the criteria supports what I say - conditioning refers to density and definition. You're the one who takes everything he reads out of context.

Dorian presented better conditioning & density than Ronnie 03 , he has better balance & proportion , he's more complete and he's a better poser hence why he would make Ronnie 03 look soft in comparison and nothing more than a collection of impressive parts

not the 93 pre-contest rendition of Dorian you referred to in your previous post. If you want to pick a contest version, then I suggest you stick with him instead of mixing different years. So which Dorian is it?

[figgs]

Excellent grammar there. He's already immensely qualified as a possible addition to the 3-member "team Yates".

wat

[NarcissisticDeity]

LMAO @ ND saying this:

untanned , no posing oil , no contest lighting and he still crushes Ronnie isn't it amazing?

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
Ronnie 2003 lmfao

and okay he's NOT an IFBB judge Dorian is , and he's said on two separate occasions he's better conditioned than Ronnie  couple that with this

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.

he is an IFBB judge after all and so is she lol

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


forget writers TWO IFBB judges stating ( what I always have  ) Dorian is better conditioned and has better balance which leaves bulk at 269 pounds Dorian is down on weight compared to Ronnie 2003 big deal he's beating bigger softer men and to supplement this with the writer ( and me ) he would make Ronnie look soft , Yates is a better poser its all Dorian he has to many strengths .

[Tigerman]

Wrong , I said it would be close but I do think Dorian satisfies the criteria better , in fact Yates already said he's better conditioned and has better balance , whats left? bulk? big deal Yates beat plenty of bigger men less conditioned men than himself , and Dorian's a better poser all this favors Yates

and as as soon as Yates said I guess Ronnie would beat me it was followed by I don't know .

The bigger men Yates defeated were not as conditioned and balanced as Ronnie!! Who are these men? Dillet, Nasser and Ferrigno? lol
Dorian knows that Ronnie was much more than a mass monster and goes as far as saying that maybe (sure maybe) he would lose against Ronnie. The fact that he's admitting that means a lot, considering he never said that of any other competitor.

[serpentine007]

He's def the greatest deceiter of all time :-D

[serpentine007]

When are you people going to die already?

Thank you.

S.

[NeoSeminole]

untanned , no posing oil , no contest lighting and he still crushes Ronnie isn't it amazing?

yawn

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006

“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been.”

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't have to take anything up with the IFBB b/c the criteria supports what I say - conditioning refers to density and definition. You're the one who takes everything he reads out of context.

not the 93 pre-contest rendition of Dorian you referred to in your previous post. If you want to pick a contest version, then I suggest you stick with him instead of mixing different years. So which Dorian is it?

I don't have to take anything up with the IFBB b/c the criteria supports what I say - conditioning refers to density and definition. You're the one who takes everything he reads out of context.

you're right conditioning refers to density and definition however they are listed separately which means the judges are not only looking for a well defined/great conditioned guy they're also looking for density which they took the time to list separately on two different occasions , so I don't care what you think its listed as a separate entity get over it , density is related to conditioning/definition but the judges look for it separate from it

not the 93 pre-contest rendition of Dorian you referred to in your previous post. If you want to pick a contest version, then I suggest you stick with him instead of mixing different years. So which Dorian is it?

I'll pick and choose whatever version I want and according to Dorian Yates on two separate occasions he's specfically stated he's better conditioned than Ronnie but I'm sure you know more than him too lol 

[NarcissisticDeity]

The bigger men Yates defeated were not as conditioned and balanced as Ronnie!! Who are these men? Dillet, Nasser and Ferrigno? lol
Dorian knows that Ronnie was much more than a mass monster and goes as far as saying that maybe (sure maybe) he would lose against Ronnie. The fact that he's admitting that means a lot, considering he never said that of any other competitor.

and Ronnie is not as conditioned or balanced as Dorian , and Dillett creams Ronnie on balance NO contest and Ronnie's 2003 his balance & conditioning are at their all-times worse

and he said he didn't know this isn't an admission of superiority stop reading into this statement what you want , he said Ronnie would probably beat me I don't know , I don't know , Dorian has better conditioning & density , and better balance he would beat Ronnie because of this along with being more complete and a better poser.

[fsu_pain_train]

Narcissistic deity is a fucking girl.  Shut the fuck up about Dorian, Ronnie was bigger and had more shredded glutes - he had Yates in size and conditioning, and I believe Dorian himself has admitted this.  Why you would wage an online campaign for him I really don't want to know.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yawn

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006

“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been.”

yawn all garbage quotes that ALL have been addressed MORE THAN ONCE 

Dorian said he's better conditioned and has better balance again I know you're a ' certified personal trainer ' but are you saying you know more than an IFBB judge? 


yeah I thought so lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Narcissistic deity is a fucking ####.  Shut the fuck up about Dorian, Ronnie was bigger and had more shredded glutes - he had Yates in size and conditioning, and I believe Dorian himself has admitted this.  Why you would wage an online campaign for him I really don't want to know.

meltdown 

[NeoSeminole]

you're right conditioning refers to density and definition however they are listed separately which means the judges are not only looking for a well defined/great conditioned guy they're also looking for density which they took the time to list separately on two different occasions , so I don't care what you think its listed as a separate entity get over it , density is related to conditioning/definition but the judges look for it separate from it

then post the entire criteria that states density is separate from conditioning. I have a feeling you are taking what you read out of context just like you do with everything else.

I'll pick and choose whatever version I want and according to Dorian Yates on two separate occasions he's specfically stated he's better conditioned than Ronnie but I'm sure you know more than him too lol

I have no problem with you choosing a version of Dorian. Just specify which one you pick otherwise your posts are meaningless. It would be like me using Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC, his size at the 03 Mr. Olympia, and symmetry in the 02 BFTO to argue why he's a better bodybuilder.

[NarcissisticDeity]

then post the entire criteria that states density is separate from conditioning. I have a feeling you are taking what you read out of context just like you do with everything else.

I have no problem with you choosing a version of Dorian. Just specify which one you pick otherwise your posts are meaningless. It would be like me using Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC, his size at the 03 Mr. Olympia, and symmetry in the 02 BFTO to argue why he's a better bodybuilder.

When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


Go away now before I own you some more 

I have no problem with you choosing a version of Dorian. Just specify which one you pick otherwise your posts are meaningless. It would be like me using Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC, his size at the 03 Mr. Olympia, and symmetry in the 02 BFTO to argue why he's a better bodybuilder.

it doesn't matter what Year I pick Ronnie was NEVER as dry or hard as Yates lol or as balanced

[NeoSeminole]

yawn all garbage quotes that ALL have been addressed MORE THAN ONCE

yawn, there is nothing to address when the source of the quotes specifically say Ronnie is the greatest of all-time or beats Dorian. It doesn't get any more explicit than that, dumbass. You act like their quotes are abstract.

Dorian said he's better conditioned and has better balance again I know you're a ' certified personal trainer ' but are you saying you know more than an IFBB judge?

Dorian also didn't specify which version of both bodybuilders. So it's possible he could have been referring to his conditioning and balance in 93 compared to Ronnie's at the 03 Mr. Olympia. In that case, I wouldn't disagree with him. That's why it's very important to list which version you are talking about; it changes everything.

[Parker]

untanned , no posing oil , no contest lighting and he still crushes Ronnie isn't it amazing?

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
Ronnie 2003 lmfao

and okay he's NOT an IFBB judge Dorian is , and he's said on two separate occasions he's better conditioned than Ronnie  couple that with this

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.

he is an IFBB judge after all and so is she lol

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


forget writers TWO IFBB judges stating ( what I always have  ) Dorian is better conditioned and has better balance which leaves bulk at 269 pounds Dorian is down on weight compared to Ronnie 2003 big deal he's beating bigger softer men and to supplement this with the writer ( and me ) he would make Ronnie look soft , Yates is a better poser its all Dorian he has to many strengths .

Bev Francis also looked like a straight dude, almost like a mini Dorian...Dorian was blocky as hell, he had no real shape, he had conditioning and a freaky back, that's about it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yawn, there is nothing to address when the source of the quotes specifically say Ronnie is the greatest of all-time or beats Dorian. It doesn't get any more explicit than that, dumbass. You act like their quotes are abstract.

Dorian also didn't specify which version of both bodybuilders. So it's possible he could have been referring to his conditioning and balance in 93 compared to Ronnie's at the 03 Mr. Olympia. In that case, I wouldn't disagree with him. That's why it's very important to list which version you are talking about; it changes everything.

yawn, there is nothing to address when the source of the quotes specifically say Ronnie is the greatest of all-time or beats Dorian. It doesn't get any more explicit than that, dumbass. You act like their quotes are abstract.

I'll say Ronnie's the greatest bodybuilder ever lol that means NOTHING Yates could beat the greatest bodybuilder ever , most Olympias most career wins he's the greatest big deal , he never faced ANYONE of Yates caliber 

Dorian also didn't specify which version of both bodybuilders. So it's possible he could have been referring to his conditioning and balance in 93 compared to Ronnie's at the 03 Mr. Olympia. In that case, I wouldn't disagree with him. That's why it's very important to list which version you are talking about; it changes everything.

It doesn't matter because the general consensus is Dorian's conditioning is legendary and Ronnie's is well NOT I think Ronnie may have matched him for that type of bone dry rock hard conditioning albeit lighter 245 pounds but Yates could maintain that conditioning up to 285 pounds according people in the know.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bev Francis also looked like a straight dude, almost like a mini Dorian...Dorian was blocky as hell, he had no real shape, he had conditioning and a freaky back, that's about it.

She did look like a dude but she an IFBB judge she knows what to look for , and Yates never won ANYTHING because he looked like Bob Paris , his strengths DOMINATED everyone including the pretty physiques .

[Hulkster]

98/01 ASC Ronnie looked his best

um. Not according to your friend Peter McGough he didn't.

the article states quite clearly that his 99 form advanced the sport (NOT his 98 form) and he feels his 2001 form is even better.

no mention of 98 to speak of.

why do you not understand this?

 

did you not read the article? or are you pretending it doesn't exist?

[NeoSeminole]

"When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition."

nowhere does it mention conditioning. This supports what I've been saying all along - conditioning is an umbrella term for density and definition. The criteria doesn't include the former b/c it would be redundant. That would be like listing definition, separations, and striations together.

it doesn't matter what Year I pick Ronnie was NEVER as dry or hard as Yates lol or as balanced

sure.