Coming from you this carries NO weight . I can't form an argument ? maybe you have ADD and can't pay attention or maybe you're just a casual poster and haven't seen my argument because none of these dummies can counter it and you gave it a noble try and fell flat on your face
why do your words carry any more weight than his? You're just an internet nobody trying to win the affection of his high school crush, Dorian Yates.
here is the argument try and follow it if you can
Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better conditioning , better density , he also has better balance & proportion and depending on the year he also carries more muscular bulk , couple that with Dorian being a better poser and he's more complete that would equal a Yates victory , a simplified argument for a simpleton
if conditioning is synonymous with definition (according to you) and density is a separate category (also according to you), then Ronnie's advantage in definition cancels out Dorian's superior density. So you can stop saying Dorian had better conditioning. On the subject of balance, neither man has the advantage. Here is balance as defined by Dorian Yates himself.
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image.
Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other, even though their shapes, or symmetry, might differ. Proportion is nothing more than the relativity of parts and has nothing to do with either symmetry or balance."
as you can see, balance refers to both halves of the body being equal in mass. Since neither Dorian nor Ronnie suffered an injury at their respective primes, it's safe to assume they have equal balance. This leaves proportion and symmetry. I give Dorian the nod in proportion if we use his 93 pre-contest or contest version. That was probably the best he ever looked. However, Ronnie edges him out in symmetry. Ronnie has better correspondence between left and right halves of the body, and has a better v-taper coupled with smaller joints. The latter have traditionally been regarded as the hallmarks of a symmetrical bodybuilder.
Lee Hayward - http://www.leehayward.com/bodybuilding_terms.htm"Symmetry - If you have good symmetry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints."
This leaves muscular bulk and shape. Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia was 287 lbs compared to Dorian's 257 lbs and 269 lbs at the 93 Mr. Olympia and 93 pre-contest pics, respectively. This is a considerable size advantage and would be augmented by Ronnie's narrower hip structure and smaller joints. Here are some quotes regarding 03 Ronnie's level of mass.
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”
Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and dense, they don't look real. He's an amazing individual, an amazing athlete. He's just a freak."
IFBB Official Kenny Kassel - Flex, Janurary 2004"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."
On the subject of muscle shape, Ronnie beats Dorian soundly. Ronnie has better bicep peaks, more hang to his triceps, rounder delts, squarer pecs, fuller lats, and better quad sweep.
In conclusion, 03 Ronnie's combination of muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, fullness and shape raised the bar of excellence further, prompting many industry experts to regard him as the best bodybuilder of all-time.
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
