Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Royal Lion]

yup. guy denial. guy stupidity.

Nice sharpened pic there....same contest.    Desperate loser.

[NeoSeminole]

Easy there Mr. Defensive...what are you afraid of??  None of us said Dorian had more detail than Ronnie in that shot...Jeez.  Yes, Ronnie has more detailed arms that Dorain - we stipulate to that.  However, Dorian is thick and grainy as hell, and he outweights Ronnie by a good 10lbs.  Thanks.

translation: "I can't explain how Dorian is more grainy using objective criteria. So I'm just going to parrot what I've read as though it's the gospel."

thanks for playing

[NeoSeminole]

ho-hum conditioning




great conditioning

[Shockwave]

ho-hum conditioning




great conditioning

Ho hum conditioning. Lol.
Wheres Ronnies toothpicks calves?

[NeoSeminole]

Ho hum conditioning. Lol. Wheres Ronnies toothpicks calves?

what do calves have to do with conditioning? lol

more specifically, what is so funny about my comment when Ronnie blows Dorian away in that comparison? I'm still waiting to hear an explanation of "grainy" since you nuthuggers are so keen on using it to describe Dorian's conditioning.

[Shockwave]

what do calves have to do with conditioning? lol

more specifically, what is so funny about my comment when Ronnie blows Dorian away in that comparison? I'm still waiting to hear an explanation of "grainy" since you nuthuggers are so keen on using it to describe Dorian's conditioning.

I see Dorian having a harder appearing conditioning, and Ronnie with deeper seperation in the muscle fibers themselves, making for better arm detail.
Thats it. Look at the legs. You can see Dorian is drier than Ronnie. Ronnie simply has genetically deeper sepereation in the fibers.

[NeoSeminole]

I see Dorian having a harder appearing conditioning, and Ronnie with deeper seperation in the muscle fibers themselves, making for better arm detail. Thats it. Look at the legs. You can see Dorian is drier than Ronnie. Ronnie simply has genetically deeper sepereation in the fibers.

I see Ronnie as looking denser. So your claim means nothing without any objective criteria.

[Royal Lion]

ho-hum conditioning




great conditioning

"Ho-hum" conditioning...you are starting to sound like Hulkster with your Dorian hate.  Dorian is beating Ronnie in that shot...he is much thicker and just as dry if not drier.  You seem to confuse muscle tie-ins and separation with dryness.  Yes, Ronnie has better tie-ins, especially in his delts/arms, but Dorian has a grainy quality that is/was simply unmatched.  

[Shockwave]

I see Ronnie as looking denser. So your claim means nothing without any objective criteria.

The Criteria -
Muscular Bulk - Dorian.
Conditioning - 2001 ASC Ronnie vs. 95 Dorian could go either way
Balance and Proportion - Dorian IMHO, His only weak point is his biceps, Ronnie has quad/calves imbalance, whacked out midsection, and imho, a upper arm forearm imbalance (In some poses).

[Shockwave]

"Ho-hum" conditioning...you are starting to sound like Hulkster with your Dorian hate.  Dorian is beating Ronnie in that shot...he is much thicker and just as dry if not drier.  You seem to confuse muscle tie-ins and separation with dryness.  Yes, Ronnie has better tie-ins, especially in his delts/arms, but Dorian has a grainy quality that is/was simply unmatched.  

Look at the legs.. Dorians skin simply looks as if it was laid on granite.
Ronnie is in great conditioning, no doubt, Genetically he has much deeper seperations between the muscles, but He just isn't quite as dry or lean to my eyes, not to mention Dorian is just thicker looking all over. The muscle looks like polished marble.

And to me, if you do want to go muscle by muscle (which doesnt matter as individual muscles arent judges) I see Dorian having thicker delts, thicker traps, thicker forearms, and Tri's are a wash. I see Dorian being more dense (More muscle packed into the same space)
I see Ronnie having better Biceps, and a thicker chest, and deeper muscle seperation.

[Hulkster]

Nice sharpened pic there....same contest.    Desperate loser.

not sharpened at all.

screenshot straight from the video. from ForcedReps, the man who embarassed all the nuthuggers with the claims of 'fake pics'.

desperate loser.

you see, ever since the 99 vids/screenshots were posted, the nuthuggers  have been campaigning that they were faked.

why? because they blow dorian out of the water and its their only chance.

[Shockwave]

not sharpened at all.

screenshot straight from the video. from ForcedReps, the man who embarassed all the nuthuggers with the claims of 'fake pics'.

desperate loser.

you see, ever since the 99 vids/screenshots were posted, the nuthuggers  have been campaigning that they were faked.

why? because they blow dorian out of the water and its their only chance.

Too bad for you Ronnie already blew your argument out of the water when he said 98 was his best, not once, not twice, but three times. Ouchies. Your own hero said you were wrong. 

[Hulkster]

so, you think its simply a numbers game? LOL

because ronnie said 98 was better 3 times but that 99 was better once, it must be 98 no matter what real visuals show?

LOL

 

[Shockwave]

so, you think its simply a numbers game? LOL

because ronnie said 98 was better 3 times but that 99 was better once, it must be 98 no matter what real visuals show?

LOL

 

Nah, because you consider your opinion as some sort of fact when you werent even there, and all you have to go on is the pics and vids you find on the internet, While the guy who was there and competed (not to mention numerous others) Said 98 was his best.
Not only that, but the sad fact is the 1 time you cling to, was the night of the show. Bahahaha. Like anyone is gonna say "I was better last year" the night they won the Olympia. You don't have a leg to stand on in that argument Hulkster, lol.

[Royal Lion]

not sharpened at all.

screenshot straight from the video. from ForcedReps, the man who embarassed all the nuthuggers with the claims of 'fake pics'.

desperate loser.

you see, ever since the 99 vids/screenshots were posted, the nuthuggers  have been campaigning that they were faked.

why? because they blow dorian out of the water and its their only chance.

The only one who should be embarrassed is you...

For instance, pause the video of Ronnie's 99 routine at 3:45 and compare the color to the pic you frequently post below  

[Royal Lion]

Or, compare these two.  Gee, which one has been touched up??

And here is the youtube video.  Compare 0:16 to your photo 

Further proof that you can't back up your bullshit claims with legit evidence.

[Hulkster]

this has already been done to death. and the nuthuggers lose every time.

screenshots from a dvd are going to look different than magazine photographer scans with a camera flash.

the videos do not lie.

just because ronnie is that much better does not mean that the screenshots are fake.

oh, and just so you know, the same applies to screenshots of dorian vs magazine scans, the same applies to everyone.

its just different media.

but ironically, the nuthuggers don't claim the dorian shots are faked, even though they look just as different..

typical hypocrisy, knowing that they are arguing a losing battle..

[Hulkster]

here is what ForcedReps had to say about his screenshots.

Royal Lion, this is for you. read it carefully:

hahhahahahaha

Ok, one more time I give away 5 minutes of my life and step down to the retarded level of internet fanboy bodybuilding.

Time to *own* you skinny little bitch again 

Here you go skinny little nerd 
 

The quality of the youtube clips from muscledvd are taken from a VHS tape jackass.

How can you say stuff like ***HERE IS THE ENTIRE ROUTINE AND IN NO WAY DO THEY MATCH THE PICS HULKSTER HAS BEEN POSTING SINCE PAGE 18***

Are you blind ?

BTW caps lock is for retards, your BS will still look not more important you nerd 

Sure the quality of the youtube videos are not the same like the DVD or a good DVD rip cause youtube vids are always very strong compressed but hell, even a idiot like you should be able to see that coleman still looks nearly the same like on my pics.

Here is the source that I've used to make my pics, Like I said all is legit even if a few yates hardcore nut-huggers have a hard time to believe that.

OK DVD rip.

http://rapidshare.de/files/34357800/1999_olymp.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362584/1999_olymp.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34364476/1999_olymp.part3.rar.html

Password =   www.fittimpo.cz

DL it, take pics with bs player like I have done and if your pics look like mine then you are retarded but most of the ppl here already know that

Here is one of the so called DVD clips from muscledvd on youtube.

If you would have opened your eyes before you have talked BS then you would have noticed the Hi-Fi at the start in the right upper corner you little retarded internet bodybuilder.

DVD's/DVD players don't do that, only retarded VHS recorders so the source of the youtube clip is crapy VHS but how could you know that ?

You must live under a stone, I bet you have never seen a DVD player or a VHS recorder in your entire life so you have a good excuse this time

IceCold you are just a retard if you think that a VHS rip is more legit than a ok DVD rip.

Yeah the nick of the guy from your youtube link is muscledvd so the clip must be from a DVD LOL!!!!!

Great work Dr.Watson 

Holy fucking christ, you must be the king of the retards here LOL!!!!


BTW, why have you still not downloaded this DVD rip ?

http://rapidshare.de/files/34357800/1999_olymp.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362584/1999_olymp.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34364476/1999_olymp.part3.rar.html

Password =   www.fittimpo.cz

Too stupid to dl from rapidshare, LMAO!!!!!!!!!

DL it take pics and STFU you skinny assclown 

That was the source for my screenshots, yeah I know GMV ( producers of the olympia tapes/DVD's ) have faked the olympia video too that all the yates fanboys like you and NarcissisticDeity etc.... have something to bitch   

Sorry ND, first I thought you can use facts to defend your idol but after I have seen your line ***Countdown to the excues........5........4 .........3...... ***  I can only say you are just another irritated yates fanboy that cannot accept evidences in form of legit pics/videos.

I thought your idol yates looks so much better than coleman in 1999 so why do you come up with crap like faked vids now ?


Hahahahahaha, I bet you were shocked as hell after you have seen my pics the first time.

If you guys still need more evidence how coleman has looked at the 1999 Mr.O no problem.

Next week I'll take a few HQ screencaps 720x480 (NTSC) directly from the 1999 Mr.O DVD.

If that's still not enough evidence for you and for the mentally retarded skinny internet bodybuilder IceCold to show you guys that my pics were never faked then I'll upload the DVD VOB of the 1999 MR.O that shows the Pre-Judging round to shut the mouth of all the shit talkers here.

If you guys were shocked from my pics then I can promise you will hate those HQ DVD screencaps and the VOB file 

I bet even this will not change the mind of IceCold and the other hardcore yates fanboys but hey it's worth a try.

Here is a little tip from me for all the nut-huggers.

If you want show how great your idol is/was use facts and don't come up with stupid excuses about faked vids/pics etc...., this let you guys just look like retarded internet fanboys

[Shockwave]

here is what ForcedReps had to say about his screenshots.

Royal Lion, this is for you. read it carefully:

hahhahahahaha

Youre missing the point; who gives a shit what forcedreps says, when the pics and the video don't match up to other pics and videos. Sorry charlie, you lose.

[Hulkster]

If you want show how great your idol is/was use facts and don't come up with stupid excuses about faked vids/pics etc...., this let you guys just look like retarded internet fanboys

amen to that.

this is something the nuthuggers should have learned years ago..

[NeoSeminole]

"Ho-hum" conditioning...you are starting to sound like Hulkster with your Dorian hate.

no, I'm just calling it what it is. The problem with you Dorian fans is that you are blinded by favoritism and hearsay. How can you honestly look at that most muscular shot and tell me Dorian looks more conditioned than the pic I posted of Ronnie? You keep parroting that he looks "grainy" yet when I ask you to explain using objective criteria, neither of you can tell me what grainy means.

hell, if we're going to make up criteria using poorly defined, abstract terms, then Ronnie > Dorian b/c Ronnie has more swagger. You might laugh but this is how retarded you Dorian fans come across when you cannot explain your own criteria that you are using.

Dorian is beating Ronnie in that shot...he is much thicker and just as dry if not drier.  You seem to confuse muscle tie-ins and separation with dryness.  Yes, Ronnie has better tie-ins, especially in his delts/arms, but Dorian has a grainy quality that is/was simply unmatched.

on the contrary, it's you who seems to be confused about the pic in question. It's foolish to ascribe a tactile perception - and thus determine who is 'harder' - based on an image. However, this is what we do know: separations and striations are directly related to conditioning. Based on the comparison, Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian. This is a fact - not favoritism or hearsay.

[NeoSeminole]

The Criteria -
Muscular Bulk - Dorian.
Conditioning - 2001 ASC Ronnie vs. 95 Dorian could go either way
Balance and Proportion - Dorian IMHO, His only weak point is his biceps, Ronnie has quad/calves imbalance, whacked out midsection, and imho, a upper arm forearm imbalance (In some poses).

Here's my take:

Muscular bulk - 95 Dorian
Conditioning - 2001 ASC Ronnie
Symmetry - 2001 ASC Ronnie (no muscle tears, better structure, small waist, quads/calves imbalance fixed)
Muscle Shape - 2001 ASC Ronnie (better muscle shape & fullness)

[Royal Lion]

Hulkster, compare your screencaps to the video and you can see they are clearly sharpened.  And besides your little illustration with Dorian's MM means nothing as neither one is sharpened.

[NeoSeminole]

Look at the legs.. Dorians skin simply looks as if it was laid on granite. Ronnie is in great conditioning, no doubt, Genetically he has much deeper seperations between the muscles, but He just isn't quite as dry or lean to my eyes

Ronnie's physique looks like polish marble to me while Dorian's looks like dough mashed together with a sledgehammer.

[Royal Lion]

Neo,

My understanding is that graininess has to do with water retention.  The "drier" a bodybuilder is, the less water he is holding.  Muscle shape and separation is a different criteria.  It is genetic.  For example, Ronnie could be holding more water than Dorian and have more separation through his arms/delts and yet still not be as conditioned.  This is because genetically, he has more distinct muscle separation in his arms delt tie-in.  

I am not claiming that Dorian is destroying Ronnie in the MM comparison above.  It is close, and both are very similar in condition with a slight edge to Dorian IMO.  You stated that Dorian had "ho hum" conditioning which is laughable.  Moreover, Dorian was 10lbs heavier in 93 than Ronnie was at the 01 ASC.  Thus, he would have the edge on size and conditioning, while Ronnie edges him on separation.