Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[beefcakeblake]

that's like saying "Ronnie's calves aren't small. I bet they would be huge in comparison to most getbiggers." It works both ways

sure was. That's why he's number 2

the reason I give both to Ronnie is b/c he overwhelms Dorian with muscular bulk, god-blessed separations and striations, a wasp waist, and cartoonish muscle shape and fullness

how about dorians better back detail, better back shape, sliced and diced ultra conditioned hams, and for not but not lest crazy scary calves. dorians mid traps inspire me to work traps when im tired dorians calves make do the extra rep, dorians 1-2 set principle makes wanna give it my all knowing thats the only chance(set) i've got!!! lol

[beefcakeblake]

ronnie coleman owns dorian in size and shape, if ronnie was WHITE he would be NDs fav bber

seeing how i've read post of him saying flex and haney are some of his favs that doesn't make sense

[JP_RC]

Exactly. He has rediculous balance issues. His upper legs make his lower legs look non existant, fucked up abdominal structure, upper arms overpower lower arms, those are all weakness' according to the judging criteria. Dorian has weak bi's. Thats his only weakness.
Its not simply who has the mass biggest bodyparts... thats not how BB is judged.

Exactly. He has rediculous balance issues.

I would say that Dorian after 1993 had even bigger balance issues.

His upper legs make his lower legs look non existant.

Just as Ronnie's upper legs are too big for his calves, so are Dorian's calves too big for his upper legs when viewed from the front.

fucked up abdominal structure

Just as Ronnie's oddly shaped abdominals could be a flaw, so are Dorian's oddly shaped quads and oddly shaped post tear bicep.
What about the nice shape and taper Ronnie's small waist gave him, while Dorian had a wide waist.

Dorian has weak bi's. Thats his only weakness

He had more weaknesses than just biceps post 1993. In 1993 he had the fewest flaws, close to perfect. A top Ronnie would overpower him though.

Its not simply who has the mass biggest bodyparts... thats not how BB is judged.

Wasn't a post 1993 Dorian known for winning because he had the most massive back?

[JP_RC]

how about dorians better back detail, better back shape, sliced and diced ultra conditioned hams,

Ronnie's back details were equal to Dorian's, Dorian just had a drier back.

By back shape, do you mean v-taper? If so, Ronnie takes this.

Ronnie at his best had equally conditioned hams.

[beefcakeblake]

Ronnie's back details were equal to Dorian's, Dorian just had a drier back.

By back shape, do you mean v-taper? If so, Ronnie takes this.

Ronnie at his best had equally conditioned hams.

nah I dont believe that, dorians back was usually always more detailed in the back region

no I meant back insertion for the shape bit

true but his glutes always over powered his hams so it makes his hams look small and un defined.

[beefcakeblake]

I would say that Dorian after 1993 had even bigger balance issues.

sometimes I wonder what you look at??lol

Just as Ronnie's upper legs are too big for his calves, so are Dorian's calves too big for his upper legs when viewed from the front.

maybe 1996 but other years they looked on par to me, maybe your used to looking at Ronnie to much and forget what real calves are supposed to look like.

Just as Ronnie's oddly shaped abdominals could be a flaw, so are Dorian's oddly shaped quads and oddly shaped post tear bicep.
What about the nice shape and taper Ronnie's small waist gave him, while Dorian had a wide waist.

I don't really see Dorian's quads a flaw, seeing how they were still ultra big and diced, plus it stood out in a good way esp side leg.

He had more weaknesses than just biceps post 1993. In 1993 he had the fewest flaws, close to perfect. A top Ronnie would overpower him though.

you act like Ronnie was like 100 more pounds then Dorian when in reality they were around same poundage's.

Wasn't a post 1993 Dorian known for winning because he had the most massive back?

no anti Dorian people say that to have an excuse on why Dorian beat their hero's, but in reality it was his conditioning, balance, presentation, and size mixed into one.

[JP_RC]

nah I dont believe that, dorians back was usually always more detailed in the back region

true but his glutes always over powered his hams so it makes his hams look small and un defined.

I have to disagree.

no I meant back insertion for the shape bit

I see your point.

[JP_RC]

maybe 1996 but other years they looked on par to me, maybe your used to looking at Ronnie to much and forget what real calves are supposed to look like.

Not only Ronnie, but the rest too. I always saw Dorian's calves a bit too overpowering for his upper legs from the front after 1993. Its because his quads look or appear to be narrow.

I don't really see Dorian's quads a flaw, seeing how they were still ultra big and diced, plus it stood out in a good way esp side leg.

Yes, they were big and conditioned, but they had an odd shape and lacked sweep.
Yes, they looked good from the side, but my point is they look narrow from the front and sometimes from the back too. This makes them a bit imbalanced in comparison to his torso in my opinion.

you act like Ronnie was like 100 more pounds then Dorian when in reality they were around same poundage's.

They may have weighed the same (I even think Dorian was a bit heavier), but my point is that Ronnie looks bigger and more muscular than Dorian. Maybe its his small joints, full muscle bellies, tie-ins or any other reason, but Ronnie has the visual advantage of looking more impressive than Dorian. Same reason why Flex looked more impressive than Nasser evene though being several pounds lighter.

no anti Dorian people say that to have an excuse on why Dorian beat their hero's, but in reality it was his conditioning, balance, presentation, and size mixed into one.

Honestly, I have read Dorian fans on different forums and even here say the following thing: from the front the competition matched up or even beat Dorian, but when he turned around it was over.
Meaning it was his massive back that gave him the edge.

[Shockwave]

Not only Ronnie, but the rest too. I always saw Dorian's calves a bit too overpowering for his upper legs from the front after 1993. Its because his quads look or appear to be narrow.

Yes, they were big and conditioned, but they had an odd shape and lacked sweep.
Yes, they looked good from the side, but my point is they look narrow from the front and sometimes from the back too. This makes them a bit imbalanced in comparison to his torso in my opinion.

They may have weighed the same (I even think Dorian was a bit heavier), but my point is that Ronnie looks bigger and more muscular than Dorian. Maybe its his small joints, full muscle bellies, tie-ins or any other reason, but Ronnie has the visual advantage of looking more impressive than Dorian. Same reason why Flex looked more impressive than Nasser evene though being several pounds lighter.


Honestly, I have read Dorian fans on different forums and even here say the following thing: from the front the competition matched up or even beat Dorian, but when he turned around it was over.
Meaning it was his massive back that gave him the edge.

In BB, large calves that compliment large quads are a plu. 
I think I have finally tired of this argument... You know its a lost cause when people are trying to argue that Dorian's calves are to big for his quads,... yeah...
I guess the current crop of pros have just changed what people think BB is supposed to be.. Oh well....

[beefcakeblake]

Not only Ronnie, but the rest too. I always saw Dorian's calves a bit too overpowering for his upper legs from the front after 1993. Its because his quads look or appear to be narrow.

yes i think his legs were geniticly narrow(and looked bad from front against wide legged guys like nasser), but I still think they looked good from the back and side.

Yes, they were big and conditioned, but they had an odd shape and lacked sweep.
Yes, they looked good from the side, but my point is they look narrow from the front and sometimes from the back too. This makes them a bit imbalanced in comparison to his torso in my opinion.

yes dorians quads lacked sweep, and it looked bad(esp in 94 pre jud, and 97 when his waist was buldging on the sides). but in 95 they looked pretty full, in 96 his quads were amazingly smaller for what ever reason??

They may have weighed the same (I even think Dorian was a bit heavier), but my point is that Ronnie looks bigger and more muscular than Dorian. Maybe its his small joints, full muscle bellies, tie-ins or any other reason, but Ronnie has the visual advantage of looking more impressive than Dorian. Same reason why Flex looked more impressive than Nasser evene though being several pounds lighter.

nah, I always thought dorian looked bulker then ronnie(esp in delt, back and just in overall sturucture in the upper body) where ronnie had bigger arms, leg combo.

Honestly,I have read Dorian fans on different forums and even here say the following thing: from the front the competition matched up or even beat Dorian, but when he turned around it was over.
Meaning it was his massive back that gave him the edge.

I think  the reason dorian fans say that is that its a fact thats not debatable, unlike things like conditioning, balance, and shape.

well with that said most of the things you say here are fair opinions, i see it as well.

[RocketSwitch625]

I have just read a classic quote from an ebony guy regarding the 96 Olympia video upload on Youtube. According to this loser Shawn Ray had better calves than Dorian Yates. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwoKn9C_4vI

drwdak (uploader) "Shawn Ray had "no calves"?!!? LOL. You're dreaming, buddy.
I think his calves were better than Dorian's!
Poor Quadricep shape?
They were shaped SO much better than Dorian's, that's for sure. Now you are just making up flaws that don't even exist.
"lacked size overall"
Not that crap again.
I'm sure you know that it's all relative and that Shawn's huge anyways!
As long as you have enough size to fill out your frame, then you aren't lacking in size, no matter how "short" you are".

[RocketSwitch625]

I made this screen capture from the 96 Olympia video. drwdak really should consider ending it all.

[RocketSwitch625]

Ray got pwned from the front too. Yates' calf looks as big as the midgets thigh in this comparison. LOL

[beefcakeblake]

I made this screen capture from the 96 Olympia video. drwdak really should consider ending it all.

yeah that drwdak guy is really fucking annoying, he says to dumbest shat

[beefcakeblake]

Ray got pwned from the front too. Yates' calf looks as big as the midgets thigh in this comparison. LOL

yeah and nasser and shawn fans say dorian should of lost in 96 

hahah I laugh at people and their opinions.

[RocketSwitch625]

yeah and nasser and shawn fans say dorian should of lost in 96  

hahah I laugh at people and their opinions.

Yeah and he's making Nasser look quite flat there too. Dorian Yates didn't just have the width he had tons of thickness as well which separated him from the other no hopers.

[beefcakeblake]

Yeah and he's making Nasser look quite flat there too. Dorian Yates didn't just have the width he had tons of thickness as well which separated him from the other no hopers.

even though I like Nasser, he never realistically came close to Dorian.

Dorian was always a mile ahead.

[Royal Lion]

Diesel!

[NeoSeminole]

Diesel!

put Levrone's upper body on him and he would look so much better. Dorian's chest is very underwhelming in the side poses

[Shockwave]

put Levrone's upper body on him and he would look so much better. Dorian's chest is very underwhelming in the side poses

Nah your just being rediculous. Dorians chest looks far thicker than levrones in that shot. Sometimes I wonder what youre looking at?   Hugely thicker than Levrones.

[NeoSeminole]

Nah your just being rediculous. Dorians chest looks far thicker than levrones in that shot. Sometimes I wonder what youre looking at? Hugely thicker than Levrones.

brah, c'mon. It seriously looks like Dorian has boobs in that pic. Where are the square pecs? Where did his upper chest go?

[Royal Lion]

Dorian's chest was never a weakness.

[Royal Lion]

brah, c'mon. It seriously looks like Dorian has boobs in that pic. Where are the square pecs? Where did his upper chest go?

His upper chest looks way thicker than KL's in this pic...when he flexes the outside pec it simply has that pop effect.  Here are the "square" pecs for you...

[RocketSwitch625]

brah, c'mon. It seriously looks like Dorian has boobs in that pic.

I wonder if Neosemen would dare say that about Arnold?

[JP_RC]

In BB, large calves that compliment large quads are a plu. 
I think I have finally tired of this argument... You know its a lost cause when people are trying to argue that Dorian's calves are to big for his quads,... yeah...
I guess the current crop of pros have just changed what people think BB is supposed to be.. Oh well....

Lee Priest is an example of big calves that compliment great quads, Dorian's quads appear narrow from the front making his calves overpower them a bit.