DJ Vance = the winner

[illuminati]

Because she's being mentioned as a better alternative.  So much so, that agnostic said he doesn't even have to explain why.  So let's see.

I think it's pretty obvious what will happen at the midterms.  If the economy improves, the right will maintain control, and will stay the course, and win the next two elections after.  If it does not, they could lose the House and Sentate, then nothing will pass, and the left will repeat the same mistakes they did last time.

One thing the left has NOT done (outside of maybe folks like Fetterman and Torres), is doing an introspective and trying to figure out why they lost.  There are doubling down on divisiveness and attacks, the same as last time. No real leaders are emerging, and it's the same clowns continuing to act like the clowns that they are.

He makes a statement about Khvntmala & then backs out of backing his statement
Up saying its not important    it was important enough for him to make his stupid
Statement.

Good god these Libturd Dummycraps are so Fucked up.

[Grape Ape]

Oh, I think many folks on the left are trying to figure out why the election turned out as it did,  right now. Also, there are many folks who voted for Trump in 2024 who are rethinking and regretting they did and are questioning how they could have been so wrong, (conned).

Define "many".

He still has a positive approval rating.

But how were they "conned"?

[jude2]

Define "many".

He still has a positive approval rating.

But how were they "conned"?

2 Muslims

[Grape Ape]

You make this kind of post, someone responds, and you just disappear for awhile until the thread moves on.

I'm not stupid.  I keep up on events, research them, use independent sources, and listen to other views.

I have not seen one compelling argument on why Harris would have been better, be it policy, past history, etc...

Go for it.  I will listen.

bump

[chaos]

bump

Good luck. This is one reason I treat him like a troll.

[Primemuscle]

Define "many".

He still has a positive approval rating.

But how were they "conned"?

Many means a lot, a substantial number, or more than a few.

As of 3/12 Trump had a 46.5 favorable rating and a 49.7 unfavorable rating  while J.D. Vance had a 41.7 favorable rating and a 44.5 unfavorable rating, according to the RCP average.

Conned as in not delivering on his campaign promises, and because they thought they would be better off financially with Trump in office. However, there has yet to be an improved economy, because prices have not come down. Also, a goodly number of folks who voted for Trump have subsequently been fired over the past couple of months from their federal civil service jobs or worry the future of their jobs is tenuous. Understandably this poses a great financial uncertainty for them.   

[illuminati]

Many means a lot, a substantial number, or more than a few.

As of 3/12 Trump had a 46.5 favorable rating and a 49.7 unfavorable rating  while J.D. Vance had a 41.7 favorable rating and a 44.5 unfavorable rating, according to the RCP average.

Conned as in not delivering on his campaign promises, and because they thought they would be better off financially with Trump in office. However, there has yet to be an improved economy, because prices have not come down. Also, a goodly number of folks who voted for Trump have subsequently been fired over the past couple of months from their federal civil service jobs or worry the future of their jobs is tenuous. Understandably this poses a great financial uncertainty for them.   

Yawn 🥱

Boring

[Primemuscle]

Yawn 🥱

Boring

You are boring.

[illuminati]

You are boring.

Try & think of something original  - Copying me is very

Boring

Yawn  🥱

[Grape Ape]

Many means a lot, a substantial number, or more than a few.

As of 3/12 Trump had a 46.5 favorable rating and a 49.7 unfavorable rating  while J.D. Vance had a 41.7 favorable rating and a 44.5 unfavorable rating, according to the RCP average.

Conned as in not delivering on his campaign promises, and because they thought they would be better off financially with Trump in office. However, there has yet to be an improved economy, because prices have not come down. Also, a goodly number of folks who voted for Trump have subsequently been fired over the past couple of months from their federal civil service jobs or worry the future of their jobs is tenuous. Understandably this poses a great financial uncertainty for them.   

This is so absurd, it's laughable.

First, he's been in office 50 days.

Second, he's doing / done everything he campaigned on.  Border, Paris accord, tariffs, DEI, men in women's sports. etc you name it.  He did an insane amount of EOs and and talked through them in real time.  How can you possibly say he's not delivering on campaign promises, unless you believed every single one of them would happen instantly?

In addition, for anyone ignoring the mainstream and paying attention to actual words and videos, there are numerous interviews with Trump/Vance where they said that in order to get prices down, they had to get energy costs down first.  Do that, and shipping and manufacturing get less expensive and prices should drop.  There was no magic wand he could wave and prices would drop.

Do I personally like or cheer people getting fired?  No, I really don't.  But the fact is that there is tremendous waste and it needs to be cut.  My only gripe is I wish the did this a little more slowly to ensure there's no mistakes, and I wish everything they find was confined to a monthly report instead of an instant X tweet.

But apparently people shouldn't by Teslas now because the founder is trying to eliminate waste and fraud.

Makes sense.

[Primemuscle]

This is so absurd, it's laughable.

First, he's been in office 50 days.

Second, he's doing / done everything he campaigned on.  Border, Paris accord, tariffs, DEI, men in women's sports. etc you name it.  He did an insane amount of EOs and and talked through them in real time.  How can you possibly say he's not delivering on campaign promises, unless you believed every single one of them would happen instantly?

In addition, for anyone ignoring the mainstream and paying attention to actual words and videos, there are numerous interviews with Trump/Vance where they said that in order to get prices down, they had to get energy costs down first.  Do that, and shipping and manufacturing get less expensive and prices should drop.  There was no magic wand he could wave and prices would drop.

Do I personally like or cheer people getting fired?  No, I really don't.  But the fact is that there is tremendous waste and it needs to be cut.  My only gripe is I wish the did this a little more slowly to ensure there's no mistakes, and I wish everything they find was confined to a monthly report instead of an instant X tweet.

But apparently people shouldn't by Teslas now because the founder is trying to eliminate waste and fraud.

Makes sense.

Here is what makes sense. People should not have taken Trump at his word when he said, "“When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One.” Truthfully, I didn't believe him then and I do not believe him now. Once a liar and a con, always a liar and a con.

People should buy whatever automobiles they want and can afford. However, boycotting Tesla is peacefully protesting the process Musk and Trump are employing to eliminate so-called waste and fraud in government.

[Grape Ape]

Here is what makes sense. People should not have taken Trump at his word when he said, "“When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One.” Truthfully, I didn't believe him then and I do not believe him now. Once a liar and a con, always a liar and a con.

People should buy whatever automobiles they want and can afford. However, boycotting Tesla is peacefully protesting the process Musk and Trump are employing to eliminate so-called waste and fraud in government.

So, I have seen that quote about Day One prices before, and tried to have a discussion about it.

It was a stupid thing to say - let's get that out of the way.

However, I have seen the energy related quotes as well.  So my question was always, what was the timing of his comment?  Was it pre-bird flu, and anything else that's happened?  Meaning, if he said it in April, but pivoted to the energy part AFTER, I can get that.  If he said it right before the election, I don't know then.

I do know there's no magic wand to wave, and I actually did expect prices to rise for a bit.  So, it's a matter of timing, and whether you believe he was just lying, or if he actually believed at that time he said it that he could do it.

But there's also always going to be low informed voters who are pissed when they feel wronged.  I don't put too much stock in those dumbasses.

[Primemuscle]

So, I have seen that quote about Day One prices before, and tried to have a discussion about it.

It was a stupid thing to say - let's get that out of the way.

However, I have seen the energy related quotes as well.  So my question was always, what was the timing of his comment?  Was it pre-bird flu, and anything else that's happened?  Meaning, if he said it in April, but pivoted to the energy part AFTER, I can get that.  If he said it right before the election, I don't know then.

I do know there's no magic wand to wave, and I actually did expect prices to rise for a bit.  So, it's a matter of timing, and whether you believe he was just lying, or if he actually believed at that time he said it that he could do it.

But there's also always going to be low informed voters who are pissed when they feel wronged.  I don't put too much stock in those dumbasses.

You know, I have no idea either how many times Trump repeated this during his campaign or the timing of his saying it. Clearly, he said things people wanted to hear in order to get votes, regardless of if he actually believed what he was claiming. This is what politicians do. The 'truth bar' for politicians is pretty low in most cases. If they are never called on these 'fibs' this is upon us.  No one but Trump knows whether he believes what he says or not, he says a lot of things and changes his mind a lot as well.

Personally, I am not noticeably impacted by the current state of the economy because I have much more income than expenses. People who are living paycheck to paycheck have more reason to worry about the economy because it impacts them the most.

Being an old fella, I remember when everything cost considerably less than it does now. When I was fifteen and got my first car, regular gas was 25 cents a gallon. The first house I bought cost me $13 K. Today, it is appraised by the real estate site, Trulia, at about $600 K. My parents paid less than $5 grand for a new 1957 Cadillac. Last week, I had five rooms, and the exterior of my house painted. I paid the contractor almost $13 K for four days work with 5-6 painters on the job. In 1960 the federal minimum wage was $1.00. Today the federal minimum wage is $7.25 (which is ridiculously low). State minimum wages are twice that or more. 

[illuminati]

Here is what makes sense. People should not have taken Trump at his word when he said, "“When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One.” Truthfully, I didn't believe him then and I do not believe him now. Once a liar and a con, always a liar and a con.

People should buy whatever automobiles they want and can afford. However, boycotting Tesla is peacefully protesting the process Musk and Trump are employing to eliminate so-called waste and fraud in government.

Boring -

So you take every thing a president says as absolute & if they
don't do it by the stated time you complain - Do you do it for
all Presidents or just Donald. ??

 

[Primemuscle]

Boring -

So you take every thing a president says as absolute & if they
don't do it by the stated time you complain - Do you do it for
all Presidents or just Donald. ??

 

You have an odd concept of what a complaint is verses just a statement. Could it be that everything someone says with which you disagree, is automatically a complaint?

Anyway, I don't take anything 'a' President says as absolute, mostly just one person, this being Trump. It is because he says so much which isn't truthful... like pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth.

[Grape Ape]

You know, I have no idea either how many times Trump repeated this during his campaign or the timing of his saying it. Clearly, he said things people wanted to hear in order to get votes, regardless of if he actually believed what he was claiming. This is what politicians do. The 'truth bar' for politicians is pretty low in most cases. If they are never called on these 'fibs' this is upon us.  No one but Trump knows whether he believes what he says or not, he says a lot of things and changes his mind a lot as well.

Personally, I am not noticeably impacted by the current state of the economy because I have much more income than expenses. People who are living paycheck to paycheck have more reason to worry about the economy because it impacts them the most.

Being an old fella, I remember when everything cost considerably less than it does now. When I was fifteen and got my first car, regular gas was 25 cents a gallon. The first house I bought cost me $13 K. Today, it is appraised by the real estate site, Trulia, at about $600 K. My parents paid less than $5 grand for a new 1957 Cadillac. Last week, I had five rooms, and the exterior of my house painted. I paid the contractor almost $13 K for four days work with 5-6 painters on the job. In 1960 the federal minimum wage was $1.00. Today the federal minimum wage is $7.25 (which is ridiculously low). State minimum wages are twice that or more.

I don't disagree with the first paragraph.

As for the rest, like you, I am amazed what we pay for things now, and how I've just accepted shelling out the amounts I do for things.

[deadz]

I don't disagree with the first paragraph.

As for the rest, like you, I am amazed what we pay for things now, and how I've just accepted shelling out the amounts I do for things.

Just wait until AI takes over, you wanna see mass unemployment and extreme poverty, it's coming!

[illuminati]

You have an odd concept of what a complaint is verses just a statement. Could it be that everything someone says with which you disagree, is automatically a complaint?

Anyway, I don't take anything 'a' President says as absolute, mostly just one person, this being Trump. It is because he says so much which isn't truthful... like pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth.

You're just very odd.

[Primemuscle]

I don't disagree with the first paragraph.

As for the rest, like you, I am amazed what we pay for things now, and how I've just accepted shelling out the amounts I do for things.

It is curious how we come to accept some stuff over time, like high prices. Almost every time I price something I want to buy or get an estimate for it; I am at first shocked and then I acquiesce.

Last Week I priced custom shades for my bedroom windows and exterior door. One company, The Shade Store, quoted just under $1G per opening. These openings are about 14 square feet each, so they are not huge. I ended up buying them from a different local company for half that amount, which still seems like a lot to spend on shades.

On the other hand, I bought eggs today at a specialty neighborhood grocery store, Market of Choice, which tends to be more expensive than the big chain stores like Safeway. For organic, free-range, cage-free eggs, I paid $5.59 for a dozen large brown eggs. Compared to what some folks are paying for eggs, these were a bargain. Maybe I just got lucky.

[Grape Ape]

Just wait until AI takes over, you wanna see mass unemployment and extreme poverty, it's coming!

The company I work for actually develops AI platforms.

People's jobs will evolve, not necessarily be replaced.

I've seen AI write code at 100x the speed or more of a person, but the person is still necessary to review, tweak, modify.  AI can hallucinate, make up bullshit, etc.....

[Grape Ape]

It is curious how we come to accept some stuff over time, like high prices. Almost every time I price something I want to buy or get an estimate for it; I am at first shocked and then I acquiesce.

Last Week I priced custom shades for my bedroom windows and exterior door. One company, The Shade Store, quoted just under $1G per opening. These openings are about 14 square feet each, so they are not huge. I ended up buying them from a different local company for half that amount, which still seems like a lot to spend on shades.

On the other hand, I bought eggs today at a specialty neighborhood grocery store, Market of Choice, which tends to be more expensive than the big chain stores like Safeway. For organic, free-range, cage-free eggs, I paid $5.59 for a dozen large brown eggs. Compared to what some folks are paying for eggs, these were a bargain. Maybe I just got lucky.

When I bought my house in 2003, we got a custom shade and it was $250.  I was like WTF.  That one doesn't surprise me - custom anything is always expensive.

Costco by me has the free range pastured eggs for 8.99 for two doz.  That went up a buck in the last two weeks - thankful they keep egg prices relatively constant throughout all the chaos.

[Primemuscle]

The company I work for actually develops AI platforms.

People's jobs will evolve, not necessarily be replaced.

I've seen AI write code at 100x the speed or more of a person, but the person is still necessary to review, tweak, modify.  AI can hallucinate, make up bullshit, etc.....

I know practically nothing about AI. Thanks for sharing this because now I know a tiny bit more, especially that it can hallucinate and make up bullshit, plus some other negative stuff about it.

I tried American Greetings' version of AI which supposedly writes a verse for you to use in an Ecard based on information you provide. It did not work as I imagined, so I rejected the AI suggestions.

[Grape Ape]

I know practically nothing about AI. Thanks for sharing this because now I know a tiny bit more, especially that it can hallucinate and make up bullshit, plus some other negative stuff about it.

I tried American Greetings' version of AI which supposedly writes a verse for you to use in an Ecard based on information you provide. It did not work as I imagined, so I rejected the AI suggestions.

Yeah man, I was very surprised to learn about the hallucinations.

It will get better over time.  Musk has theorized in a year or so, we'll have AI  that will smarter than a human, which could extrapolate very quickly into being smarter than all humans combined.

However, AI will do what it's programmed to do, and we've seen the outcome - like when Google's AI made all the founding fathers, nazis, etc all black.  We have to be extremely careful there.

I do think if done right this this will be beneficial, especially in the medical field.  For example, for every 10 breast cancer surgeries, 30% have to go back because stuff gets missed due to human error.  So one of those three has to go back again.   There is thought that  AI assistance could eliminate this.  That's the good.

The bad could be, say, if the AI is programmed for equality of outcome by race or something.   The AI could take the unfeeling logical path and say the best way to make this happen is simply to kill enough white people to balance out the population, or shit like that.

But I also think that old school illustrators, sculptors, painters, etc might see a revival, because the old school human touch will become en vogue once AI gets into everything.

We'll see.

[Primemuscle]

Yeah man, I was very surprised to learn about the hallucinations.

It will get better over time.  Musk has theorized in a year or so, we'll have AI  that will smarter than a human, which could extrapolate very quickly into being smarter than all humans combined.

However, AI will do what it's programmed to do, and we've seen the outcome - like when Google's AI made all the founding fathers, nazis, etc all black.  We have to be extremely careful there.

I do think if done right this this will be beneficial, especially in the medical field.  For example, for every 10 breast cancer surgeries, 30% have to go back because stuff gets missed due to human error.  So one of those three has to go back again.   There is thought that  AI assistance could eliminate this.  That's the good.

The bad could be, say, if the AI is programmed for equality of outcome by race or something.   The AI could take the unfeeling logical path and say the best way to make this happen is simply to kill enough white people to balance out the population, or shit like that.

But I also think that old school illustrators, sculptors, painters, etc might see a revival, because the old school human touch will become en vogue once AI gets into everything.

We'll see.

Thanks for your well thought out excellent post, which unfortunately, is a rarity on these Getbig forums.

[deadz]

JD 2028!