72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)

[Soul Crusher]

I maintain we do not know how any will react, because I don't think anyone in history ever had to make this decision (Bay of Pigs?)

However, I do agree with SC that the more experience you have running the country may prepare you better for it.

Not the same context, but I also want the guy there who will least likely get us to that point.  This current admin letting Ukraine use US weapons across the border is the exact wrong thing to do.

They caused it!   Remember Obama/Biden actions in 2014 set this all in motion.    Remember Obama/Biden way in Lybia/Syria? 

Liberal cultist apologists refuse to accept facts when it destroys the narrative they are trying to sell. 

[loco]

If the enemies of the US and its allies really believe Trump is nuke trigger happy, then these enemies will not dare mess with the US or its allies while Trump is president.

[loco]

January 2, 2018






January 3, 2018

North Korea calls hotline to South Korea in diplomatic breakthrough
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/asia/north-korea-south-hotline/index.html



January 10, 2018

South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/10/south-koreas-moon-says-trump-deserves-big-credit-for-north-korea-talks.html


June 12, 2018




North Korea is less dangerous today than it was at the end of 2017

A report by Stanford University's Center for International Security and Cooperation found

February 12, 2019

https://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-may-made-more-nuclear-bombs-threat-051230002.html

[Dos Equis]

I am not asking to pick one.   I am not asking to compare the 2.  I am simply in asking if any of the 3 are up to the task.

Trump record of no new wars, terroirs attacks have nothing to do with the premise of this thread.

Read the exchanges between me, Grape and Beach.  I am not debating Trump decisions when he had days and weeks.   I contesting that he is not fit to make nuclear decisions under duress that decides the fate of mankind in 6 minutes.   

Or let’s just say I don’t have confidence he would make the right ones.

If you're not doing a comparison then it's kind of pointless.  We have to make a choice in November. 

[Grape Ape]

They caused it!   Remember Obama/Biden actions in 2014 set this all in motion.    Remember Obama/Biden way in Lybia/Syria? 

Liberal cultist apologists refuse to accept facts when it destroys the narrative they are trying to sell.

I know.

Ozmo is just trying to break it down to how one person will react in a very specific situation, regardless of how it got there.

Not what he's asking, but I'd be hopeful if NK launched one missle, we have the tech to destroy it.

[OzmO]

I know.

Ozmo is just trying to break it down to how one person will react in a very specific situation, regardless of how it got there.

Not what he's asking, but I'd be hopeful if NK launched one missle, we have the tech to destroy it.

Only a 40%-55% chance in test conditions.  And we presently only have 54 of these missiles.  And in the scenario that’s presented in the book we do retaliate with 82 nukes, 50 ICBMs and 32 sub launched nukes.  The problem is the ICBMs have to fly over Russian air space to get there and the Russians do not have advanced enough detection systems to gauge the trajectory of our nukes.  So they think we mistakenly think they launched the nuke and are launching on them. They also have a launch on warning policy, so they launch at us, we launch on them, this all happens in about 20 minutes. 

[Grape Ape]

Only a 40%-55% chance in test conditions.  And we presently only have 54 of these missiles.  And in the scenario that’s presented in the book we do retaliate with 82 nukes, 50 ICBMs and 32 sub launched nukes.  The problem is the ICBMs have to fly over Russian air space to get there and the Russians do not have advanced enough detection systems to gauge the trajectory of our nukes.  So they think we mistakenly think they launched the nuke and are launching on them. They also have a launch on warning policy, so they launch at us, we launch on them, this all happens in about 20 minutes.

Yes, read that.

This 40-55% is what is known to the author, correct?  I'll admit I didn't read who the author is or why they know what they know.

There is black ops tech funded by dark money that nobody knows about.

[OzmO]

Yes, read that.

This 40-55% is what is known to the author, correct?  I'll admit I didn't read who the author is or why they know what they know.

There is black ops tech funded by dark money that nobody knows about.

Yes 40-55% is correct.   

There are like 100+ pages of acknowledgements, sources, interviews credits in this book. 

I am more worried about Iran when they get nukes than North Korea.

Annie Jacobsen (born June 28, 1967) is an American investigative journalist, author, and a 2016 Pulitzer Prize finalist. She writes for and produces television programs, including Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan for Amazon Studios, and Clarice for CBS. She was a contributing editor to the Los Angeles Times Magazine from 2009 until 2012.

Jacobsen writes about war, weapons, security, and secrets. Jacobsen is best known as the author of the 2011 non-fiction book Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base, which The New York Times called "cauldron-stirring."[1] She is an internationally acclaimed and sometimes controversial author who, according to one critic, writes sensational books by addressing popular conspiracies.[2]

[Grape Ape]

Yes 40-55% is correct.   

There are like 100+ pages of acknowledgements, sources, interviews credits in this book. 

I am more worried about Iran when they get nukes than North Korea.

Annie Jacobsen (born June 28, 1967) is an American investigative journalist, author, and a 2016 Pulitzer Prize finalist. She writes for and produces television programs, including Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan for Amazon Studios, and Clarice for CBS. She was a contributing editor to the Los Angeles Times Magazine from 2009 until 2012.

Jacobsen writes about war, weapons, security, and secrets. Jacobsen is best known as the author of the 2011 non-fiction book Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base, which The New York Times called "cauldron-stirring."[1] She is an internationally acclaimed and sometimes controversial author who, according to one critic, writes sensational books by addressing popular conspiracies.[2]

Ok, but the black ops / dark money point still stands.  I doubt she has any access.

[SOMEPARTS]

OP believes Biden was running the country, therefore the whole thread is wrecked.

[OzmO]

Ok, but the black ops / dark money point still stands.  I doubt she has any access.

She probably doesn’t; but that’s a kind of a hope we do.  It’s kind of hard to hide a deployed weapon system.  Or maybe we aren’t being truthful about the existing systems which wouldnt make much sense to me because if we had an effective ICBM defense system it would act as a deterrent. 

[Grape Ape]

She probably doesn’t; but that’s a kind of a hope we do.  It’s kind of hard to hide a deployed weapon system.  Or maybe we aren’t being truthful about the existing systems which wouldnt make much sense to me because if we had an effective ICBM defense system it would act as a deterrent.

If we have a major advantage that we know works we don't need a deterrent.  They launch, we stop without a counter, they're done.

[OzmO]

If we have a major advantage that we know works we don't need a deterrent.  They launch, we stop without a counter, they're done.

If we have a legit system that can knock out ICBM's launched from silos or subs at a let's say 90% rate it definitely becomes a deterrent for other countries to launch on us.  Even if we can knock out 90% of those nukes, we will strike back and the fallout from the detonations from other countries will still bring about the end of the world or close to it.  That was the purpose of promoting the system we have now, although it is shit.  It is essentially a bullet hitting a bullet in space and the ICBM is traveling at 15,000 mph while the missile is traveling at 20,000 mph.   That's why I don't think we have some secret weapons systems to protect us from a massive nuclear strike.

I think powerful land-based lasers will eventually get there.  But they would be a massive system that would be impossible to fully keep secret. And, again why would we?

You should read the book.  It's a great read.

[OzmO]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/09/asia/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-intl-latam/index.html

 North Korea’s Kim Jong Un says country to increase number of nuclear weapons ‘exponentially,’ state media reports

[OzmO]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/12457289/russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapon-test-war-putin/

Moscow threatens to ‘MELT’ Kyiv if Ukraine uses British missiles to strike Russia as Putin urged to detonate nuke bomb

[loco]

[OzmO]

https://apnews.com/article/china-missile-us-taiwan-9eba29cf62b21a19c15a8e119736182c

China test-fires an intercontinental ballistic missile into the Pacific Ocean


The difference here is, NK doesn't announce it before they do it.

[illuminati]

The crisis he reacted to vs the crisis I outlined are 2 very different things.  The question is whether or not you think he could act rationally when he and he alone has to make a decision that could end the world based on available intel that might be lacking in the heat of the moment when he is getting screamed at STRATCOM the defense secretary and his top generals while he is being physically man handled by the CAT team while shoved into marine one all in 6 minutes. 

If you think so, fine.  I don’t have the confidence that he could.  Now, negotiate, keep out of wars, make good economy decisions,, etc.  sure.  But I am not confident about this one.   Biden is a no brainer.

You should read the book. It’s a good read.

FFS what is it with you ?
you've been given the answer many Times Trump is the best man
in your supposed situation.
Stop trying to change the goal post -

Any way who do you think would be best in that situation. ?

[OzmO]

FFS what is it with you ?
you've been given the answer many Times Trump is the best man
in your supposed situation.
Stop trying to change the goal post -

Any way who do you think would be best in that situation. ?

Not you for sure.

[Dos Equis]

Not you for sure.

He is asking a good question.  The issue is pointless if you're not doing a comparison.  We are going to have either Trump or Harris with the nuclear football in January. 

[OzmO]

He is asking a good question.  The issue is pointless if you're not doing a comparison.  We are going to have either Trump or Harris with the nuclear football in January.

Frankly I am not good with either of them.  But it’s gonna be one of them. 

[OzmO]

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/nuclear-war-risks-rise-again-stoked-by-global-conflicts-fa3333b6

Nuclear-War Risks Rise Again, Stoked by Global Conflicts

[Soul Crusher]

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/nuclear-war-risks-rise-again-stoked-by-global-conflicts-fa3333b6

Nuclear-War Risks Rise Again, Stoked by Global Conflicts

Biden and Kamala both said she was in charge of most decisions - so the blame is on her. 

[loco]

Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US-supplied long-range missiles for deeper strikes inside Russia

President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range missiles to strike deeper inside Russia, easing limitations on the weapons as Russia deploys thousands of North Korean troops to reinforce its war, according to a U.S. official and three other people familiar with the matter.

Biden's move also follows the presidential election victory of Donald Trump, who has said he would bring about a swift end to the war and raised uncertainty about whether his administration would continue the United States' vital military support for Ukraine.

Biden had remained opposed, determined to hold the line against any escalation that he felt could draw the U.S. and other NATO members into direct conflict with nuclear-armed Russia.

Worried about Russia’s response, however, the Biden administration repeatedly has delayed providing some specific advanced weapons sought by Ukraine, agreeing only under pressure from Kyiv, its supporters and in consultation with allies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-sources-biden-first-time-183552178.html


Four years of peace with Trump as President.

With filthy Joe pedo as President?

[OzmO]

This is problematic.  Here we are with an opportunity to end the war with a new POTUS and Biden complicates things by authorizing long range missles.  N. Korean soldiers are shit.  Basically machine gun fodder.   

What was the purpose of this?