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Re: Money Launder $1M. GO!
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2024, 02:56:22 PM »
how you gonna explain the $$$ used to open those business's genius?

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2024, 02:56:49 PM »
Both the Bragg and James' cases will be overturned.  The appeal went horribly for the prosecution already in the James' case.

It's lawfare, don't fall for it.

Back on topic:

Casino?  10g at a time?

 Yeah, but they keep track of things like that.  And if you get audited and can't show that you drew the money out of a legit savings or checking account, it won't look good.

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2024, 02:57:24 PM »
Can you claim to have made it from bitcoin and just pay capital gains?

If you show that you owned the BitCoin in the beginning and the original purchase of it.

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2024, 02:58:13 PM »
take a business loan

A car wash , all you need is some spare land (old garage forecourt) a couple of jetwash and some cloths and cleaning product
It's not that easy. And hard work to make it all stick and appear convincing under IRS scrutiny.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2024, 02:59:54 PM »
Local bitcoin and or local Monero. 10 people a day for 10k for 100 days.

Also, buy physical gold and silver.
How do you go back to FIAT? Via local methods? Now you decide to buy a house or car. ISR agent wants to know where the money came from to buy the car or house. If you say the local Monero guy it won't go over well.

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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2024, 03:02:40 PM »


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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2024, 03:08:15 PM »
If you show that you owned the BitCoin in the beginning and the original purchase of it.
All Bitcoin transactions can be traced by anyone. Good luck showing you mined or bought it in 2010.

Monero and Zcash are privacy coins with Monero offering the greatest amount of anonymity. But how do you get into Monero without leaving a trail? The most common way would be via a KYC exchange. You need to link your checking or savings account. Then deposit the cash in those accounts first. See where we're going with that. Won't work.

Some might say why not buy a few ASIC miners and solar panels in cash, and then try and mine Bitcoin. Well, you won't make a lot of money that way. Bitcoin mining is expensive. You might end up losing $500,000 before you know it. And those ASIC devices will be useless once newer and faster models come out. They can only do one thing and that is mine BTC. The IRS agent could also ask how you paid for the solar panels or ASIC devices. They might ask to see your email messages with the eBay or Craigslist sellers.

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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2024, 03:11:40 PM »
how you gonna explain the $$$ used to open those business's genius?
It's businesses. And if you wanted to indicate the possessive form of a business it would be: "The business' income." Not the business's income.

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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2024, 03:14:05 PM »
My good friend here in Ft. Lauderdale owns two bars.  One directly on the beach.   He has told me that today, the people that get into the bar business as a bar owner are people that are looking to make money.  Up until 2015, the people that got into the bar business was people that already HAD money was looking to wash it.  It was primary cash business, so you could skim off the top with under reporting it, or you could launder more money through the business in the way of phantom sales in order to make it legit.

Today, it is the opposite because so many people pay with their card, phone, watch, etc..  He said that up until 2018, he was going to the bank every morning to deposit a sack full of cash in the drop box.  365 deposits a year.  Today, he goes to the bank at least 3 times a week to withdraw cash instead, usually $10K at a time so that he has cash in the business safe to be able to tip his bartenders and servers out each night.  He pays their tips in cash each night although like many other places, he is considering just cutting them a check every two weeks for it instead.  It is easier, but a lot of bartenders don't like that.  LOL

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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2024, 03:14:59 PM »
All Bitcoin transactions can be traced by anyone. Good luck showing you mined or bought it in 2010.

Monero and Zcash are privacy coins with Monero offering the greatest amount of anonymity. But how do you get into Monero without leaving a trail? The most common way would be via a KYC exchange. You need to link your checking or savings account. Then deposit the cash in those accounts first. See where we're going with that. Won't work.

Some might say why not buy a few ASIC miners and solar panels in cash, and then try and mine Bitcoin. Well, you won't make a lot of money that way. Bitcoin mining is expensive. You might end up losing $500,000 before you know it. And those ASIC devices will be useless once newer and faster models come out. They can only do one thing and that is mine BTC. The IRS agent could also ask how you paid for the solar panels or ASIC devices. They might ask to see your email messages with the eBay or Craigslist sellers.

This is true.  The anonymous nature was ended when they killed Silk Road.

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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2024, 03:15:16 PM »
Here are some ideas:

https://www.tookitaki.com/blog/5-methods-that-modern-money-launderers-use-to-beat-detection

Traditional Money Laundering Techniques

Common money laundering techniques include the following:

Structuring or Smurfing
Smurfing involves breaking down large amounts of money into smaller, less suspicious amounts. These small sums are then deposited separately to avoid drawing attention.

Shell Companies
Shell Companies are fake companies set up purely to handle money. On paper, they might seem like they're offering a service or product, but in reality, they roexist just to move money around without drawing suspicion.

Offshore Accounts
Criminals stash their illegal earnings in foreign banks. This way, the money is away from prying eyes and under different regulations, making it hard to trace.

Real-Estate Laundering
Buying property with illicit money is another method. Once bought, the property can be sold, turning the 'dirty' money into 'clean' profit from the sale.

Casino Laundering
Gamblers use illicit funds to buy casino chips, play for a bit, and then convert the chips back to money, making it seem like genuine gambling winnings.

Gambling
Using illicit money to gamble online or offline and then claiming the proceeds as genuine gambling winnings.

Bank Laundering
Sometimes even banks are involved, either willingly or unknowingly. Large transactions are disguised as genuine business deals, hiding the illicit origins.

Trade-Based Laundering
This involves over or under-invoicing for goods and services. By manipulating prices, money launderers can move money across borders without suspicion.

Cash Smuggling
As simple as it sounds, this is just physically moving cash to a different location, often across borders.

Front Companies
These are genuine businesses that also deal with illegal funds. They blend legal and illegal money to make everything seem legitimate.

Round Tripping
Money is sent out of a country and then quickly sent back, disguised as foreign investment, thus appearing clean.

Digital Money Laundering Methods

As technology advances, so do the methods criminals use. The digital age has given rise to a set of new money laundering techniques, many revolving around the internet and cryptocurrencies. Some of the modern money laundering techniques include:

Cryptocurrency Mixing or Tumbling
Criminals use services that mix potentially identifiable cryptocurrency funds with others, making it difficult to track them.

Layering through Cryptocurrencies
Just like smurfing but in the digital world. Small crypto transactions are made to mask the actual amount being transferred.

Read More: Money Laundering via Cryptocurrencies: All You Need to Know

Peer-to-Peer (P2P) Exchanges
These are platforms where one can buy or sell cryptocurrencies directly with other individuals, often without needing to provide personal information.

Privacy Coins
Some cryptocurrencies, like Monero or ZCash, are designed to be private and untraceable. They're perfect for those wanting to hide their transactions.

Shell Companies with Cryptocurrency Accounts
Combining the old with the new: shell companies now sometimes deal solely in cryptocurrencies, making detection even harder.

Online Gambling
Just like traditional gambling but online. Criminals use illegal funds to play online games or bet, then withdraw their 'winnings,' making the money appear legitimate.

Initial Coin Offerings (ICOs) and Token Sales
Criminals invest illicit money into new cryptocurrency startups. Once the tokens or coins increase in value, they sell them, turning the illicit funds into genuine investment returns.

Microtransactions
Tiny digital transactions, especially in online games or apps, can be used to move money without raising suspicions. By making thousands of these small transactions, significant amounts can be laundered.

Digital Payment Platforms
Platforms like PayPal or other online payment systems can be used to move money. By disguising transfers as genuine payments for goods or services, illicit funds can be hidden.

Dark Web Marketplaces
The hidden parts of the internet, known as the Dark Web, have marketplaces where illegal items, from drugs to weapons, are sold. Money can be laundered through these platforms, often using cryptocurrencies.

Digital Art and NFTs
Recent trends include buying digital art or NFTs (non-fungible tokens) with illicit funds. Once their value increases, they can be sold, making the money appear as legal earnings from investments.

Online Marketplaces
Sites like eBay or Amazon can be used to sell items at inflated prices to move money. By buying these overpriced items, criminals can transfer money without raising suspicion.

Digital Identity Theft
This involves stealing someone's online identity to conduct financial transactions, thus diverting the attention from the actual perpetrator.

Blockchain Anonymizers
Services that help in making blockchain transactions anonymous, further complicating the tracing process.

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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2024, 03:22:54 PM »
Open a barbers doing 30 haircuts a week and say we did 300
Do you have 300 receipts? All barber shops I have gone to provide a receipt.

If you claim $50,000 income but only have receipts for 100 haircuts, did you charge $500 per hair cut? Also now you have to go cut a 100+ people's hair. No thanks that sucks.

I think a better way is to learn how to do electrical, plumbing, mechanical and carpentry work and then fix places up via cash payments to contractors. You could also go into a deal with a friend or relative who have and can prove their savings - and ask them to fund the purchase of a property. Then you take care of all the cash payments for the contractors. You claim you did the bulk of the work. You would still need receipts for the hardware and materials required. If you have the skill to perform the work yourself and can back it up then it would be plausible that you did the work yourself. But, witnesses might claim there were a ton of contractors working on the site. Which would blow your cover story.

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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2024, 03:24:44 PM »
You try paying for a car with 10k in cash, most dealers wont take it , they want card payments or bank transfers.
One they are wary of counterfiet cash and another they cant just put large cash deposits in the bank without it raising suspicion.

You even get question taking anything over 3k OUT the bank in the UK.
If I deposited 5k in cash in my account the bank inform the police

You buy from a private sale. Cash is exchanged all the time as are the sale prices altered from the actual. Down here I sold a 100k car and wrote down 8k for the registration slip, no issues at all.

I sold a car for cash and had the guy come to my bank with me and deposit it into my account so it could be verified as legit. Zero issues. If the seller accepts cash it becomes their problem not yours, you bought the car for for 10k remember?

Sellers need to be wary of this stuff, not the buyer. The buyer is squeaky clean. Perhaps the seller will use the cash to pay for another car? Holiday? Renovations etc. don’t overthink it.

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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2024, 03:26:30 PM »
My good friend here in Ft. Lauderdale owns two bars.  One directly on the beach.   He has told me that today, the people that get into the bar business as a bar owner are people that are looking to make money.  Up until 2015, the people that got into the bar business was people that already HAD money was looking to wash it.  It was primary cash business, so you could skim off the top with under reporting it, or you could launder more money through the business in the way of phantom sales in order to make it legit.

Today, it is the opposite because so many people pay with their card, phone, watch, etc..  He said that up until 2018, he was going to the bank every morning to deposit a sack full of cash in the drop box.  365 deposits a year.  Today, he goes to the bank at least 3 times a week to withdraw cash instead, usually $10K at a time so that he has cash in the business safe to be able to tip his bartenders and servers out each night.  He pays their tips in cash each night although like many other places, he is considering just cutting them a check every two weeks for it instead.  It is easier, but a lot of bartenders don't like that.  LOL
If the bartenders get paid in cash but live in a fancy house, how can they prove how they bought the house? And they would have to deposit the cash into accounts. Where did all this cash come from? They might get away with it and never receive an IRS audit. But they could get caught as well. It's not a sure bet.

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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2024, 03:28:32 PM »
I sold a car for cash and had the guy come to my bank with me and deposit it into my account so it could be verified as legit. Zero issues. If the seller accepts cash it becomes their problem not yours, you bought the car for for 10k remember?
But where did your 10k originally come from. Did it grow from a tree? Did you earn it? Why was it not reported on your income tax documents?

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« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2024, 03:36:05 PM »
When the IRS audits someone for suspected tax evasion / money laundering, not only do they look at what you bought (high purchases like vacations, tv/audio, cars, jewelry, etc..) but they also look at what you have NOT bought.  If you are paying for your gas, food, dining out, etc.. with cash.. then your bank statements will not show any purchases for those items.   So then you wind up getting questions like "does your car run on water?", "how come you so fat for someone that hasn't bought groceries or food in three months", etc...   Remember a paper trail can help you just as much as it hurts you.
There's always the option to become an anorexic. Then you could convince them you barely ate any food. Oh wait....! Then you really would not be buying food with cash - lmao!

How about learning how to get excess food from restaurants and then occasionally go there so the staff knows you're trying to get food. Then you tell the IRS agents you lived off free food and water. And have witnesses that saw you ask for food. Or frequent a food bank / soup kitchen every now and then. This still requires work.  ;D

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« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2024, 03:37:56 PM »
Why would I launder it? I would spend it as cash and no one’s the wiser. Very easy.

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« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2024, 03:41:40 PM »
Why would I launder it? I would spend it as cash and no one’s the wiser. Very easy.
On what? If you want the money to work for you as an investment you have limited options. Spending just for the sake of spending is just a waste.

And if you spend it on a $20k motorcycle, how did you pay for that motorcycle? Cash! Ok, where did you get that cash?!


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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2024, 03:50:06 PM »
Small delis, pizza shops, barber shops, self serve laundry mats, and the $1 stores were/are the big ones in my area. I imagine weed and head shops are good for this too.

How can you tell a Deli, pizza shop, or barber are fronts for money laundering?  What are the tell tale signs?

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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2024, 03:52:06 PM »
You buy from a private sale. Cash is exchanged all the time as are the sale prices altered from the actual. Down here I sold a 100k car and wrote down 8k for the registration slip, no issues at all.

I sold a car for cash and had the guy come to my bank with me and deposit it into my account so it could be verified as legit. Zero issues. If the seller accepts cash it becomes their problem not yours, you bought the car for for 10k remember?

Sellers need to be wary of this stuff, not the buyer. The buyer is squeaky clean. Perhaps the seller will use the cash to pay for another car? Holiday? Renovations etc. don’t overthink it.

I once tried to buy a car for cash and the seller (dealership) wouldnt take it

I wouldnt trust someone giving me 100k cash, it could be littered with fake notes, imagine sitting there going through 100k in $10 and $20 notes

Many shops and stores in the UK wont even take £50 notes for fear of them being fakes

I used to work at a factory in 1983, we used to get paid in cash but nothing higher than a £10 note (before online banking of course), I once tried to give the canteen lady a £20 note and she said "where did n you get that from, this company only pays out £10 notes"

There are still very few £50 notes in physical circulation as most are hoarded and kept


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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2024, 03:52:55 PM »
Do you have 300 receipts? All barber shops I have gone to provide a receipt.

If you claim $50,000 income but only have receipts for 100 haircuts, did you charge $500 per hair cut? Also now you have to go cut a 100+ people's hair. No thanks that sucks.

I think a better way is to learn how to do electrical, plumbing, mechanical and carpentry work and then fix places up via cash payments to contractors. You could also go into a deal with a friend or relative who have and can prove their savings - and ask them to fund the purchase of a property. Then you take care of all the cash payments for the contractors. You claim you did the bulk of the work. You would still need receipts for the hardware and materials required. If you have the skill to perform the work yourself and can back it up then it would be plausible that you did the work yourself. But, witnesses might claim there were a ton of contractors working on the site. Which would blow your cover story.

never had a receipt from a barbers in my life

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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2024, 03:53:46 PM »
On what? If you want the money to work for you as an investment you have limited options. Spending just for the sake of spending is just a waste.

And if you spend it on a $20k motorcycle, how did you pay for that motorcycle? Cash! Ok, where did you get that cash?!



Everything I have I bought cash. No one asks a god damn thing. All my watches bought cash, vehicles, etc… investments made in other peoples names, all easy shit to do to get around the man. I’ve been audited 3-4 times now.  As I say prove it.

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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2024, 03:54:00 PM »
How can you tell a Deli, pizza shop, or barber are fronts for money laundering?  What are the tell tale signs?
their pizzas are shit and the driver has a Ferrari

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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2024, 04:24:15 PM »
Flip a house and use cash to pay for the renovations. Pay the contractors in cash. Restore an old car, pay for all of it in cash. Sell the car when done.

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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2024, 04:29:37 PM »
Everything I have I bought cash. No one asks a god damn thing. All my watches bought cash, vehicles, etc… investments made in other peoples names, all easy shit to do to get around the man. I’ve been audited 3-4 times now.  As I say prove it.

Burden of proof lies with you, the cops seize assets of criminals all the time, if they cant justify were they got the money to buy it they dont get it back

If cops pulled you over in the car with a lot of cash they would expect you to be able to tell them how you came about it, telling them to fuck off wouldnt cut it.

I knew a guy years ago he had 3 cars seized, Range Rover, Sierra Cosworth, cant remember the other

Cops said how did you afford them, he said "keep them, I will get some more"  ;D