IFBB 'Professional League'??

[kmhphoto]

 The IFBB has a history of cancelling shows, the PDI doesn't.  

Promoters cancel shows.
The PDI has a history iof being cancelled.

[Cool Black Clyde]

Why would Wayne be so gleeful that he took the name "Pro Division Incorporated" away from the IFBB.  Could there be a worst name for a bodybuilding organization than Pro Division Incorporated?  It could've been the Pro Bodybuilding League, but now that's too close to the IFBB.  D'oh!

We really need to help him out and come up with a real name.

[RHINO290]

The PDI has the same history as most prom dates.
Promise the world... Produce NOTHING!

Calm down!!!

[dr.chimps]

they claim it's a 60 year history, but they've held contests consistantly since 1959.   the first congress of the amateur IFBB was held in 1964.  they incorporated in Canada in 1969.

Thank you Tim. I was hoping someone would show up and reveal this venerable institution is built on smoke and mirrors and does not see stooping to changing dates and disingenuous. I think there is an Orwell quote that is apt (and I'm paraphrasing): 'whoever controls the past controls the future; those who control the present control the past.' Come on Bob, somewhere in there is a decent guy, but all this doublespeak leaves you looking like the IFBB propaganda Minister.

[RHINO290]

They're not.

It was Wayne that worked on the whole "Pro division" thing when he was still with the IFBB.

The language was changed within the IFBB rules to include the word "pro division" as a division amongst the IFBB.

When Wayne went on his own, he retained the rights to the name "pro division"  and decided to use it to form his corp.

In order to avoid any confusion between the parties, and any legal rights problems...the IFBB decided to simply change the name to Pro League to distinguish between the two...

Until a show comes to fruition, Jack...it can't be anything but speculation.

I think it is really funny how people argue semantics untill they are blue in the face. Fact is, Bob is right, unitll we have our first show, nothing has happened yet. I like to believe that this is not all for nothin' as they say.

I am banking on it.......

All, in all though, can't argue with what Bob is saying.....

And since I am on the subject, although i am not in the IFBB, I just want to say i admire you Bob, for at least trying to things for the athletes in the ifbb, at least you try, there is alot to be said for that.

[tommywishbone]

That logo is great. Imagine all the kids wanting to wear that on their T-shirt or hat. Let me guess... Rembrandt and Monet were brought back from the dead, to design for the IFBB.

The IFBB can not do anything right.

[kmhphoto]

Having read the negative things written about you here, I am well aware of how little regard people have for the opinions or physiques of others.

Do you dispute that it is the promoters who cancel shows?
Do you dispute that the PDI failed in 2004?
Those are not opinions, they're facts.

Considering you're one of the founding members of the PDI, I'd hardly call you impartial. Your use of the word "minion" would be better used to descibe yourself and your involvement with Wayne - a servile or fawning dependant.

[Disgusted]

Promoters cancel shows.
The PDI has a history iof being cancelled.

That was weak. 

[240 is Back]

Promoters cancel shows.
The PDI has a history iof being cancelled.

Kevin Horton-

Please explain PDI's "history of being cancelled".

We're listening.

[timfogarty]

Do you dispute that the PDI failed in 2004?

were any shows actually scheduled?  any venues actually rented? 

postponing the start of a business is not the same as failing

[LuciusFox]

Nobody would ever put YOU in a peanut galley, sweetie..!

Keep fighting the good fight.

 This post will make her day!

[onlyme]

were any shows actually scheduled?  any venues actually rented? 

postponing the start of a business is not the same as failing

Exactly.  Kevin has some sort of grudge agaist anything not IFBB.  He gets all mixed up inside.  I think we all see it.  We just have to try to bear with him till he gets over it and realizes the cancelling of the Toronto Pro is just the beginning.  It's too bad cause now he may have to go back taking pictures of little kids and their pets.  Sorry Kevin you have been owned or whatever else it is called

[kmhphoto]

Kevin Horton-

Please explain PDI's "history of being cancelled".

We're listening.

Well it was tried before, Wayne had high hopes for it but when it failed he "cancelled" it.

[kmhphoto]

Exactly.  Kevin has some sort of grudge agaist anything not IFBB.  He gets all mixed up inside.  I think we all see it.  We just have to try to bear with him till he gets over it and realizes the cancelling of the Toronto Pro is just the beginning.  It's too bad cause now he may have to go back taking pictures of little kids and their pets.  Sorry Kevin you have been owned or whatever else it is called

I have no grudge against Wayne or the PDI. If anyone has a clear agenda against the IFBB, Jim Manion, the Weiders etc. it's you! Your hatred for everything even has you hoping Shawn's show fails and you are relishing the facy that the Toronto show was cancelled. If shows fail, athletes lose.

What I have is an opinion just as you do. You see the PDI as viable, I do not. That's opinions. We are both entitled to them. Unfortunately, you choose to insult people with different ones, even to the point of wishing them an early death!

I welcome any new organisation that would allow more athletes to earn a living from this sport.
What I do not believe is that the PDI are the ones to do it. That's my opinion.

Now waddle off back to Wayne and have him compose your reply.

As for photographing little kids, isn't that what floats your boat? I've never done it.

[onlyme]

Well it was tried before, Wayne had high hopes for it but when it failed he "cancelled" it.

Kevin, since you know so much and no one else seems to knwo what you know can you help u out a little.

Where was the PDI show held that failed.(city and state)
How many people showed up. 
How many people lost money (fans and sponsors)
How many competitors were just so pissed because they had dieted and trained and even bought plane tickets
What was the prize money and did everyone get paid
What was the date of the show
What were just two of the headliner BB's that were competiting
How many pros had contracts for the show
What magazines had ads in them promting the show and can you scan one to show us.
How much was the sanction fee
Was the figure contest good
Who won

Kevin, please answer these so we all can get a better vision of how the PDI failed back in 04.  Thanks buddy for all your help.  We are there with you

[kmhphoto]

were any shows actually scheduled?  any venues actually rented? 

postponing the start of a business is not the same as failing

2004 NOC was held as a PDI event. When Wayne arrived in Hungary two weeks later he was told quite clearly that he would have nothing to do with the show. It was an IFBB event.
Would you call that a failure or a cancellation?

[Ron]

Where'd the new name come from?  

IFBB Pro Division was the name for the last few years. Wayne owns the name Pro Division in the United States. Instaed of keeping IFBB Pro Division and having it confused with Pro Division Inc., they changed the name, and the logo for the IFBB, aka Professional League. Are they aware of the PDI - yes, of course - after all, it is Wayne, and I would be mildly concerned. So they changed the name to avoid any confusion in the future. And yes, it was confusing to some.

Well it was tried before, Wayne had high hopes for it but when it failed he "cancelled" it.

Well, this is a little more difficult. Wayne wanted to start the Pro Division, with the backing of others. The backers didn't come through, so Wayne effectively was out, and chose not to continue. Technically, the Night of Champions was an IFBB event, even though it said Pro Division on there, and Pro Division was running it. The other shows that were planned were allegedly IFBB shows that would come and join the PDI - and that didn't happen. They weren't cancelled, they just didnt change.

the PDI failed back in 04

Yes, it did. No question about it. What many pro's at the Florida Pro show were wondering, and many people at the Night of Champions were wondering was if this PDI or Pro Division was going to take over. It was definately news, and since Wayne was a key figure for many years, many didn't doubt what he was saying. No one knew what was going on between the Florida Pro and at least four days before the Night of Champions, until the press release came out saying that AMI and Weider's will continue to support the IFBB, and Wayne has no connection. It was that simple. So yes, the PDI did fail back in 2004.

[kmhphoto]

2004 NOC.
You've seen the letter yourself so why ask?

Here's the letter.

[kmhphoto]

Kevin, since you know so much and no one else seems to knwo what you know can you help u out a little.

Keith,
Whatever I say, you're going to accuse me of being biased towards the IFBB so maybe you should listen to what Ron has to say. He was there, he saw what happened in the US and he was and I believe still is the registrant of the PDI's first web address.

[thisiskeith12]

just call him onlyme, this is confusing

[kmhphoto]

just call him onlyme, this is confusing

Probably for him too

[thisiskeith12]

P.S. I'm drunk! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kmhphoto]

P.S. I'm drunk! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[thisiskeith12]

[RHINO290]

Having read the negative things written about you here, I am well aware of how little regard people have for the opinions or physiques of others.

Do you dispute that it is the promoters who cancel shows?
Do you dispute that the PDI failed in 2004?
Those are not opinions, they're facts.

Considering you're one of the founding members of the PDI, I'd hardly call you impartial. Your use of the word "minion" would be better used to descibe yourself and your involvement with Wayne - a servile or fawning dependant.

What is written here is meaningless. I have been told, privately, by most of my so called"citics" who have been negative at me, that it is all in fun and that they have nothing but respect. I don't beleive that people on this thread are against me or PDI.

In addition, I am not a founder of PDI, just an athlete, and supporter.

Also, don't think for one second that I am dependent on the PDI, IFbb, or anything, or anybody, I am a different animal all together, I have a job, a life, other than bodybuilding, and my life does not teter on whether or not the PDI makes it.

You, on the other hand, make a living on pictures, and you need the IFBB- I have never met you, but know your rep, and it is not good. My reputation, is flawless.