20 chins at 60

[joswift]

Diet and cardio ??or just less food generally and downsizing ?
I’ve cleaned up my pantry as well and lost 6 lbs .Will try to get in some decent shape for summer.

intermittent fasting

eat between 4pm and 8pm, only have one meal and maybe a bowl of granola cereal
probably only eating 75gms protein , zero muscle loss.

Coming to the conclusion protein is way over eaten by athletes these days

[illuminati]

intermittent fasting

eat between 4pm and 8pm, only have one meal and maybe a bowl of granola cereal
probably only eating 75gms protein , zero muscle loss.

Coming to the conclusion protein is way over eaten by athletes these days

I've long thought Protien is way over pushed - So they can sell Tons
of Fart powder at exorbitant prices. 

[joswift]

I've long thought Protien is way over pushed - So they can sell Tons
of Fart powder at exorbitant prices.

yep, along with the "you can only absorb 25gms per sitting"
That makes it impossible to eat 200gms a day unless you eat 8 meals a day

Along came fart powder and you can now drink 50gms over two shakes


I mentioned before guy who owned the gym used to eat one meal a day of steamed veg and he used to do Triathalons

He then added 6 eggs a day and added 28lb of volume just by adding some test and mast and hitting the weights again
It was old mass he regained but still he didnt eat any meat , it was 6 eggs , about 50 gms protein a day

[illuminati]

yep, along with the "you can only absorb 25gms per sitting"
That makes it impossible to eat 200gms a day unless you eat 8 meals a day

Along came fart powder and you can now drink 50gms over two shakes


I mentioned before guy who owned the gym used to eat one meal a day of steamed veg and he used to do Triathalons

He then added 6 eggs a day and added 28lb of volume just by adding some test and mast and hitting the weights again
It was old mass he regained but still he didnt eat any meat , it was 6 eggs , about 50 gms protein a day

So many lies & deliberate misinformation about dietary needs in
bodybuilding - all to sell more crap - I find it amusing though just
how many that should know better are still falling for it. 

[chaos]

intermittent fasting

eat between 4pm and 8pm, only have one meal and maybe a bowl of granola cereal
probably only eating 75gms protein , zero muscle loss.

Coming to the conclusion protein is way over eaten by athletes these days

Agreed on the protein. It was pushed as 2g per pound of bodyweight for a long time. Eating and drinking all day trying to get that 500-600g per day.

[joswift]

Agreed on the protein. It was pushed as 2g per pound of bodyweight for a long time. Eating and drinking all day trying to get that 500-600g per day.

I urge everyone on here to half their protein intake for a month, I gurantee you wont notice the difference.

[Van_Bilderass]

I urge everyone on here to half their protein intake for a month, I gurantee you wont notice the difference.

I'm bad at following my own advice but I think as we get older we need more protein to get the same effect we got when younger

As an athlete I think eating below the RDA is bad

[King Shizzo]

Eating and drinking all day

Something you are good at.

[joswift]

I'm bad at following my own advice but I think as we get older we need more protein to get the same effect we got when younger

As an athlete I think eating below the RDA is bad

Try thinking something else..

[BigRo]

High protein is important for maximizing recovery and gains, I aim for 300grams a day from whole food sources and I notice the difference. The body can absorb much more than 25 grams per sitting. Plus it is satisfying and I enjoy eating. I am presently billowing full after 4 good meals today.

[joswift]

High protein is important for maximizing recovery and gains, I aim for 300grams a day from whole food sources and I notice the difference. The body can absorb much more than 25 grams per sitting. Plus it is satisfying and I enjoy eating. I am presently billowing full after 4 good meals today.

agreed
But that was all part of Weidfers plan to sell fart powder

Nubret ate once a day , about 3-4lbs of horse meat...by Weiders argument he only absorbed 25gms per day

What differences do you notice?

[BigRo]

agreed
But that was all part of Weidfers plan to sell fart powder

Nubret ate once a day , about 3-4lbs of horse meat...by Weiders argument he only absorbed 25gms per day

What differences do you notice?

I get bigger fuller and harder and soreness fades faster, then in the gym I am stronger with better energy for my long sessions. Pre contest it helps me get leaner and preserve tissue.

[joswift]

I get bigger fuller and harder and soreness fades faster, then in the gym I am stronger with better energy for my long sessions. Pre contest it helps me get leaner and preserve tissue.

all the things you listed are more linked to carbs, maybe not the recovery from muscle soreness.

Pre-contest you increase drugs

[Van_Bilderass]

agreed
But that was all part of Weidfers plan to sell fart powder

Nubret ate once a day , about 3-4lbs of horse meat...by Weiders argument he only absorbed 25gms per day

What differences do you notice?

TBH the recommendation was based on protein synthesis, which is not the same as digestion or absorption. And the data on the protein synthesis has changed a bit lately.

[joswift]

TBH the recommendation was based on protein synthesis, which is not the same as digestion or absorption. And the data on the protein synthesis has changed a bit lately.

Yes, now its not a lie to sell fart powder...

then again people keep wasting money on it..

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes, now its not a lie to sell fart powder...

then again people keep wasting money on it..

Though now the data helps protein sales even more. One study showed 70 grams post workout was even better than 40 or 50 or whatever it was, the study can be easily found. One study said theres no ceiling to the protein synthesis increase lol

[illuminati]

Yes, now its not a lie to sell fart powder...

then again people keep wasting money on it..

Sometimes when I've finished my workout I sit in reception & eat my Banana/ chicken
or yogurt while watching the uneducated buying tubs of Fart powder   

[BigRo]

all the things you listed are more linked to carbs, maybe not the recovery from muscle soreness.

Pre-contest you increase drugs

Carbs are protein sparing but they are not the building blocks of muscle. Protein helps maintain the size pre contest even more than drugs. I can loose muscle and be on a gram of shite.

[illuminati]

High protein is important for maximizing recovery and gains, I aim for 300grams a day from whole food sources and I notice the difference. The body can absorb much more than 25 grams per sitting. Plus it is satisfying and I enjoy eating. I am presently billowing full after 4 good meals today.

300 grams !!  Glad it works for you.

[joswift]

Though now the data helps protein sales even more. One study showed 70 grams post workout was even better than 40 or 50 or whatever it was, the study can be easily found. One study said theres no ceiling to the protein synthesis increase lol

yes , a bit like if you train hard you will become a champion

[BigRo]

yes , a bit like if you train hard you will become a champion

If you train hard you are a champion!

[BigRo]

300 grams !!  Glad it works for you.

Well, today I had around 650 grams of chicken (uncooked weight)
2 organic beef burgers 230gms
3 cans of tuna steak
6 large whole eggs

[illuminati]

Well, today I had around 650 grams of chicken (uncooked weight)
2 organic beef burgers
3 cans of tuna
6 whole eggs

Ha , I had pretty much the same except for the 3 tuna cans.
I had some sausages & bacon.   

[Van_Bilderass]

yes , a bit like if you train hard you will become a champion

They only tested 100 grams though.

The anabolic response to protein ingestion during recovery from exercise has no upper limit in magnitude and duration in vivo in humans

Abstract
The belief that the anabolic response to feeding during postexercise recovery is transient and has an upper limit and that excess amino acids are being oxidized lacks scientific proof. Using a comprehensive quadruple isotope tracer feeding-infusion approach, we show that the ingestion of 100 g protein results in a greater and more prolonged (>12 h) anabolic response when compared to the ingestion of 25 g protein. We demonstrate a dose-response increase in dietary-protein-derived plasma amino acid availability and subsequent incorporation into muscle protein. Ingestion of a large bolus of protein further increases whole-body protein net balance, mixed-muscle, myofibrillar, muscle connective, and plasma protein synthesis rates. Protein ingestion has a negligible impact on whole-body protein breakdown rates or amino acid oxidation rates. These findings demonstrate that the magnitude and duration of the anabolic response to protein ingestion is not restricted and has previously been underestimated in vivo in humans.

The anabolic response to a meal containing different amounts of protein is not limited by the maximal stimulation of protein synthesis in healthy young adults

Abstract
We have determined whole body protein kinetics, i.e., protein synthesis (PS), breakdown (PB), and net balance (NB) in human subjects in the fasted state and following ingestion of ~40 g [moderate protein (MP)], which has been reported to maximize the protein synthetic response or ~70 g [higher protein (HP)] protein, more representative of the amount of protein in the dinner of an average American diet. Twenty-three healthy young adults who had performed prior resistance exercise (X-MP or X-HP) or time-matched resting (R-MP or R-HP) were studied during a primed continuous infusion of l-[(2)H5]phenylalanine and l-[(2)H2]tyrosine. Subjects were randomly assigned into an exercise (X, n = 12) or resting (R, n = 11) group, and each group was studied at the two levels of dietary protein intake in random order. PS, PB, and NB were expressed as increases above the basal, fasting values (mg·kg lean body mass(-1)·min(-1)). Exercise did not significantly affect protein kinetics and blood chemistry. Feeding resulted in positive NB at both levels of protein intake: NB was greater in response to the meal containing HP vs. MP (P < 0.00001). The greater NB with HP was achieved primarily through a greater reduction in PB and to a lesser extent stimulation of protein synthesis (for all, P < 0.0001). HP resulted in greater plasma essential amino acid responses (P < 0.01) vs. MP, with no differences in insulin and glucose responses. In conclusion, whole body net protein balance improves with greater protein intake above that previously suggested to maximally stimulating muscle protein synthesis because of a simultaneous reduction in protein breakdown. 

Interesting that 70 grams is said to be more representative of a typical American dinner than 40 grams. 40 grams is about 2 chicken breasts, which is not that easy for me to eat always. Well Americans are very fat though, so perhaps not surprising...

[joswift]

Well, today I had around 650 grams of chicken (uncooked weight)
2 organic beef burgers 230gms
3 cans of tuna steak
6 large whole eggs

I had two sausages, 2 eggs
two fishcackes
bowl of granola cereal

Yesterday I ate 1 flap jack, 4 southern fried chicken fillet strips