Lifting- over FML

[LurkerNoMore]

Yes, there is no inflammation involved. Since I tore it a week ago. Only did one bench workout, which felt fine(no popping anyways in that movement). Tried OHP but did not feel good so stopped that.

Stem cells would probably be my go to for this rehab process. But I heard that the stem cells you want that work the best by far is the navelcord/placenta stemcells. The ones from your own old body are not as effective. But I can not find that treatment in my country(maybe laws against)

And even the ones from your own body that treatment is minimum 5000usd. I'd imagine the stem cells from placenta is 5x that probably. Rich man option....

I don't have much experience or knowledge of how stem cells is being used today.  I know that in the past it was very iffy, expensive and most were disappointed.  I know of a kid that was suffering from hearing loss due to premature thinning of the stereocilia in the ear.  (the hair that picks up vibrations and converts to sound).  He parents were paid over $40K out of their own pocket (insurance would not cover it) in 10 months to regrow the hair.  There was about a 20% increase the first 4 months and then nothing.  Once they stopped treatment, it all died within 8 weeks.
If you are considering going that route, I would spend hours online reading every review of the process and treatment that is available.

[IroNat]

I don't have much experience or knowledge of how stem cells is being used today.  I know that in the past it was very iffy, expensive and most were disappointed.  I know of a kid that was suffering from hearing loss due to premature thinning of the stereocilia in the ear.  (the hair that picks up vibrations and converts to sound).  He parents were paid over $40K out of their own pocket (insurance would not cover it) in 10 months to regrow the hair.  There was about a 20% increase the first 4 months and then nothing.  Once they stopped treatment, it all died within 8 weeks.
If you are considering going that route, I would spend hours online reading every review of the process and treatment that is available.

Bhanky could try that to grow hair on his head.

[beakdoctor]

I don't have much experience or knowledge of how stem cells is being used today.  I know that in the past it was very iffy, expensive and most were disappointed.  I know of a kid that was suffering from hearing loss due to premature thinning of the stereocilia in the ear.  (the hair that picks up vibrations and converts to sound).  He parents were paid over $40K out of their own pocket (insurance would not cover it) in 10 months to regrow the hair.  There was about a 20% increase the first 4 months and then nothing.  Once they stopped treatment, it all died within 8 weeks.
If you are considering going that route, I would spend hours online reading every review of the process and treatment that is available.

When my first child was born we were bombarded with sales pitches and contracts for her stem cells and the cost of keeping them, storage, maintenance.  It was all over the news  and the topic of many conversations. Eventually we went with a bank and they collected her stem cells.

I can't remember what the monthly cost was but after a few years the conversations around stem cells died down. All the medical miracles that were promised -one was a potential cure for paralysis- never came to fruition. I eventually stopped paying the service.

By the time my second child was born I couldn't even find information on half of the companies that initially approached us.

I have no idea what happened to them all. One of the main selling points was in order for stem therapy to work they had to be the stem cells OF THE PERSON receiving the treatment.

IIRC, at the time there was a 'moral' debate around the ethics of stem cell therapy and the president at the time, George Dubya Bush, opposed stem cell research.

[Griffith]

It could be caused by muscle spasms in the upper back, traps and especially shoulder-blade area.

[IroNat]

Probably you need an MRI to find out if you have a labrum tear.

[Grape Ape]

Probably you need an MRI to find out if you have a labrum tear.

I think the ortho can figure it out from symptoms.

[Moontrane]

Who knew men had labrums?

An inattentive motorist hit me from behind when cycling, and a torn labrum was one of my injuries.  It was a mild tear that healed on its own.  I just avoided activities and exercises that irritated it.

[AbrahamG]

How's Maxx's labia progressing?

[RxBandit]

Cartilage worn out in just a year? So I guess you just pushed through pain and trained with the unstable shoulder joint?

Anyways Im going to give it 4-6 weeks rest now to see if it improves. Will do som light band work for blood flow to the joint.

yes i was so stupid and continued to train with pain. on the one hand i thought it was just something harmless and on the other hand i didn't go to the doctor because it was during the pandemic and the assholes said you should only go to the doctor if it's life-threatening. I learned my lesson the hard way.

[Van_Bilderass]

They "all" go to Mexico and I think Colombia for treatment. Ronnie iirc etc.

[Griffith]

yes i was so stupid and continued to train with pain. on the one hand i thought it was just something harmless and on the other hand i didn't go to the doctor because it was during the pandemic and the assholes said you should only go to the doctor if it's life-threatening. I learned my lesson the hard way.

What were the symptoms?

[RxBandit]

What were the symptoms?

I interpreted it as muscular pain in the rotator cuff. No overheating or swelling. The pain got worse and worse over time until I could no longer lie down. The MRI revealed a cyst that was pressing on nerves, the damaged labrum and grade 4 osteoarthritis. In comparison, the other shoulder showed no signs of osteoarthritis.

[LurkerNoMore]

The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear.  When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding.  The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than  you may think.  People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off".  But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too.  Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it.  When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.

[MajorDomo]

The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear.  When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding.  The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than  you may think.  People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off".  But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too.  Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it.  When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.

^This!   It feels like a dull ache that never goes away after any kind of shoulder exertion. Easy to mistake it for just microtrauma after lifting heavy.

[MAXX]

The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear.  When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding.  The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than  you may think.  People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off".  But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too.  Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it.  When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.

Yes I'm doing blood flow exercises 2 or 3 times a day. Anything that doesn't hurt or makes it pop. Neither internal or external rotation hurts or pops so I do that for blood flow. Along with pressing motion in a direction that doesn't hurt. All resistance bands and just quick light reps for bloodflow.

[MAXX]

yes i was so stupid and continued to train with pain. on the one hand i thought it was just something harmless and on the other hand i didn't go to the doctor because it was during the pandemic and the assholes said you should only go to the doctor if it's life-threatening. I learned my lesson the hard way.

Long time lifters are used to lifting with pain often times the mind become stronger than the flesh so to speak and you just learn to override the pain. Which can be good but in the long run probably bad. Look a Ronnie Coleman, perfect example of that. Just pushing through any pain no matter how bad.

[MAXX]

They "all" go to Mexico and I think Colombia for treatment. Ronnie iirc etc.

Figures...

Though Ronnie could probably live with 24/7 stemcell IV and nothing would change his body is wrecked beyond

[wes]

Best of luck Maxx. 

[Hulkotron]

The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear.  When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding.  The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than  you may think.  People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off".  But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too.  Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it.  When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.

Great post

[Krankenstein]

Think I have it.. Anyone with experience how to deal with it?

I can train but shoulder feels abit unstable and it pops in alot of movement vectors.

Thing is I'm improving my bench and I don't want to take a step back now and it doesn't hurt benching. I can still bench heavy. Only hurts overhead pressing.

I should probably rest fully from any upper body I'm guessing and only do rehab?

Got it from punching a heavy bag not any lifting.

How is the shoulder feeling?

[Krankenstein]

True but unlike the rest of you apparently, I have had a labrum repair time was not enough for me. I still have issues though and need another shoulder surgery. Its not stable it does move side laterals hurt and I have a smaller side and front delt so just assume you are fucked.

But that may have been right shoulder I had labrum could be both hard to say 2 surgeries on the left shoulder and one on the right. Right shoulder is ok left is not good

Because you  side laterals and your shitty pressing will keep your shoulder strong

[Krankenstein]

Cartilage worn out in just a year? So I guess you just pushed through pain and trained with the unstable shoulder joint?

Anyways Im going to give it 4-6 weeks rest now to see if it improves. Will do som light band work for blood flow to the joint.

Doing some stability work is important in the healing of the labrum.  It was thought that there was minimal blood supply to the labrum, like ligaments, but this is not true.  The labrum does have a rich supply so exercise can help provided it is correct for labrum

[Krankenstein]

Yes, there is no inflammation involved. Since I tore it a week ago. Only did one bench workout, which felt fine(no popping anyways in that movement). Tried OHP but did not feel good so stopped that.

Stem cells would probably be my go to for this rehab process. But I heard that the stem cells you want that work the best by far is the navelcord/placenta stemcells. The ones from your own old body are not as effective. But I can not find that treatment in my country(maybe laws against)

And even the ones from your own body that treatment is minimum 5000usd. I'd imagine the stem cells from placenta is 5x that probably. Rich man option....

PRP would be better.  Most places tell you to go back to normal activity within 3 - 5 days.  Worst thing.  You literally should stop upper body training for 4 weeks to get maximum benefit of the stem cell increase from PRP.  Its painful to have done.  After four weeks, start back at 50% intensity and volume.

[Krankenstein]

I have 2 bulging disca L4,L5 and have had back spasams for years , turns out its fuck all to do with the discs, its tight fascia in the glutes hams and quads that causes back spasms
Since having fascial massage with blades my low backs been fine

Maybe in your case, but the problem with disc herniations (bulge, protrusion, extrusion, sequestration) is that cytokines are released from the disc injury with can not only irritate but inflame surround structures.  This includes the branches from nerve roots that supply the paraspinal muscles (notably QL, multifidi, and iliocostalis lumborum).  This is why a lot of people feel their 'pain' off the spine.

People with non-specific low back pain (which is often lumped in with 'mechanical low back pain') have been receiving relief from facia work.  Overall...we still so very little about pain in general.  People who have been in pain for years can remain in pain despite structures being 'healed'.  Thats the brain being too stupid to shut the signals off

[CalvinH]

Always better to check with the experts of GB then a doctor...