Lifting- over FML

[MAXX]

How is the shoulder feeling?

Resting fully now. Had another pretty devastating injury that puts me out fully. This is nothing in comparison. So training in general is pretty much over,, for probably a year now. Only light rehab stuff coming months.

Before that injury I think it was progressing abit. I did light bench still with elbows tucked to my body, more like a tricep press almost. Then it did not hurt other than liftoff.

[LurkerNoMore]

Resting fully now. Had another pretty devastating injury that puts me out fully. This is nothing in comparison. So training in general is pretty much over,, for probably a year now. Only light rehab stuff coming months.

Before that injury I think it was progressing abit. I did light bench still with elbows tucked to my body, more like a tricep press almost. Then it did not hurt other than liftoff.

Sorry to hear.  Did you have any MRI or anything?  For the labrum, not the more recent injury.

[MAXX]

Not for the labrum. Just did my own rehab. I didn't want surgery anyways wanted to try rehab it.

Now i tore my quad tendon of the bone.. Down and out. Pretty much the most depressing thing in my life.

[LurkerNoMore]

Not for the labrum. Just did my own rehab. I didn't want surgery anyways wanted to try rehab it.

Now i tore my quad tendon of the bone.. Down and out. Pretty much the most depressing thing in my life.

Holy fuck.  How did that happen?

Man, it sounds corny, but stay positive.  This could be the chance you need to pursue other things that you are interested in and have been putting off.

[MAXX]

Holy fuck.  How did that happen?

Man, it sounds corny, but stay positive.  This could be the chance you need to pursue other things that you are interested in and have been putting off.

Just being stupid and stubborn training through tendonitis I think was main cause

Had a miss step and like 1 meter fall bracing with one foot/leg. Quad contracted hard/sudden and load was heavy. that +tendon weakened from tendonitis= tendon snapped

[Krankenstein]

Just being stupid and stubborn training through tendonitis I think was main cause

Had a miss step and like 1 meter fall bracing with one foot/leg. Quad contracted hard/sudden and load was heavy. that +tendon weakened from tendonitis= tendon snapped

Most likely tendinosis....thats a chronic tendonitis which will cause the tendon to be more susceptible to tearing.

Rupture down by knee?  I feel for ya regardless...9 days out from bicep rupture repair (along with some repair of rotator)

[MAXX]

Most likely tendinosis....thats a chronic tendonitis which will cause the tendon to be more susceptible to tearing.

Rupture down by knee?  I feel for ya regardless...9 days out from bicep rupture repair (along with some repair of rotator)

Yes, torn at the kneecap. Tendon is anchored back with wires drilled through the kneecap. I have a looong road ahead of me. Lesson learned re tendonitis. Really costly lesson 

btw. can you ever get rid of chronic tendonitis? I have it at my other knee at the same location aswell...

[Krankenstein]

Yes, torn at the kneecap. Tendon is anchored back with wires drilled through the kneecap. I have a looong road ahead of me. Lesson learned re tendonitis. Really costly lesson 

btw. can you ever get rid of chronic tendonitis? I have it at my other knee at the same location aswell...

Yes, one of the best things is actually eccentrics...long eccentrics with low load.  Also the "scraping" can help.  Maybe collagen peptides.  It will take a few months.  One issue is that once people start to do things to heal they feel better and go back to the loading that caused it in the first place rather than finish out the process.

[Krankenstein]

Always better to check with the experts of GB then a doctor...

I fill both check marks

[MAXX]

Yes, one of the best things is actually eccentrics...long eccentrics with low load.  Also the "scraping" can help.  Maybe collagen peptides.  It will take a few months.  One issue is that once people start to do things to heal they feel better and go back to the loading that caused it in the first place rather than finish out the process.

Okay, thanks for the advices. I will have to adress that at my left knee when doing rehab on right. Yeah I have never really taken long time away from training. Tops 1 month. So probably never had a chance to heal. Plus my rehab for it wasn't really rehab, just lighter weights in what I already did that caused it.

[1Patrick]

Speedy recovery man.

[IroNat]

Always better to check with the experts of GB then a doctor...

I'm not a doctor but I play one on Getbig and I resent your assertion.

My advices to Maxx is to take two aspirin and post in this thread in the morning.

(Seriously, get well.)

[Krankenstein]

Okay, thanks for the advices. I will have to adress that at my left knee when doing rehab on right. Yeah I have never really taken long time away from training. Tops 1 month. So probably never had a chance to heal. Plus my rehab for it wasn't really rehab, just lighter weights in what I already did that caused it.

Now is your best time to get the left knee fixed as well.  As your PT to assess the mechanics of that left hip.  Just say you are worried that the same thing will happen to that knee as your right one.

[LurkerNoMore]

Most likely tendinosis....thats a chronic tendonitis which will cause the tendon to be more susceptible to tearing.

Rupture down by knee?  I feel for ya regardless...9 days out from bicep rupture repair (along with some repair of rotator)

You are having surgery soon as well?

[Van_Bilderass]

I know it must feel demoralizing. But since I bet you will spend a lot of time rehabbing the quad etc in the gym you could train many other bodyparts as well more conventionally. I've been given the advice just now not to lift at all for a period of time, not by doctors, have to consult them on monday, and I feel very depressed, it's often been my lifeline so to speak. "Just take long walks" they say, as if that's a replacement 
My bicep repair was a breeze, but of course that's not the case for others. My guess is that most don't rehab as much as is recommended, I certainly didn't with the bicep.

[Krankenstein]

You are having surgery soon as well?

9 days post bicep tenodesis, labrum repair/clean up, and some other clean up of shoulder.

Most injure bicep with rotator cuff injury.  I didn't in 2017....so maybe I was on borrowed time. 

[MAXX]

I know it must feel demoralizing. But since I bet you will spend a lot of time rehabbing the quad etc in the gym you could train many other bodyparts as well more conventionally. I've been given the advice just now not to lift at all for a period of time, not by doctors, have to consult them on monday, and I feel very depressed, it's often been my lifeline so to speak. "Just take long walks" they say, as if that's a replacement 
My bicep repair was a breeze, but of course that's not the case for others. My guess is that most don't rehab as much as is recommended, I certainly didn't with the bicep.

I have my own gym in my basement so I will be doing most rehab here first weeks since I can't drive a car first 6-8 weeks anyways. Luckily I have all equipment I need for rehab work.


But yes last weeks my mood has just been down too much to think of anything. Just ordering home crappy food ate alot and getting fat just sitting by the TV/PC. I did order home a bunch of supplements that will help tendon healing like MSM/glukasomine all the various vitamins etc. Thinking some of it might help the healing process of the tendon. As far as PED's I was thinking about getting deca and running it for just 2 months during the initial healing, I will still continue trt as it helps healing and nutrition partitioning/anabolic activity for healing aswell. I did try benching with the leg fixated straight and it's really akward with flat back but it works. So I will continue upper body,, somewhat. But then again I should really just rest that too with the crappy labrum.. 

But mood is up somewhat anyways because I have been able to flex the quad and there is no visable change in the appearance of the surrounding muscles(which I feared) other than athrophy(crazy how fast it does). The teardrop muscle is there and the lateral part is not torn either. I was scared of that because alot of times people tear those the same time.

[Kwon]

I have my own gym in my basement so I will be doing most rehab here first weeks since I can't drive a car first 6-8 weeks anyways. Luckily I have all equipment I need for rehab work.


But yes last weeks my mood has just been down too much to think of anything. Just ordering home crappy food ate alot and getting fat just sitting by the TV/PC. I did order home a bunch of supplements that will help tendon healing like MSM/glukasomine all the various vitamins etc. Thinking some of it might help the healing process of the tendon. As far as PED's I was thinking about getting deca and running it for just 2 months during the initial healing, I will still continue trt as it helps healing and nutrition partitioning/anabolic activity for healing aswell. I did try benching with the leg fixated straight and it's really akward with flat back but it works. So I will continue upper body,, somewhat. But then again I should really just rest that too with the crappy labrum.. 

But mood is up somewhat anyways because I have been able to flex the quad and there is no visable change in the appearance of the surrounding muscles(which I feared) other than athrophy(crazy how fast it does). The teardrop muscle is there and the lateral part is not torn either. I was scared of that because alot of times people tear those the same time.

Tried TB-500?

[MAXX]

Tried TB-500?

nope, maybe I should, just throw everything I can at it. Probably hgh would help too 

[Grape Ape]

nope, maybe I should, just throw everything I can at it. Probably hgh would help too 

I'm a rookie, but if you were going the supps route, would definitely do the BPC / TB 500 combo.

If you are going the enhanced route, would GH be helpful?

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm a rookie, but if you were going the supps route, would definitely do the BPC / TB 500 combo.

If you are going the enhanced route, would GH be helpful?

nope, maybe I should, just throw everything I can at it. Probably hgh would help too 

I think GH would help, even if the effect is minor if you think about what it does it shouldn'xt hurt any healing processes. Just a little, something that at least doubles your natural GH like 2iu. I think the TB/BPC have been trialed by the public enough to say it's not just a placebo effect. When RFK Jr talked about "peptides"  what else could he have referred to? Sure there are many more but those are the main ones talked about, not that he's a doctor or anything.But even if they work amazing they aren't miracles, like my buddy expected them to fix half a dozen tears in his shoulder, no, only surgery will work. Regarding the roids I think an HRT level, not levels in the stratosphere, would be appropriate. An addition of Deca could be just 50mg a week and give hoint effects. Maybe a little Anavar could help increase "good" collagen formation. I'm not a doctor but I would probably not take anything a few weeks before or after surgery. I think bhank claimed he did it that way, might have been at the docs advice, I don't know. Once a girl did a neck surgery and asked me about GH and I said it might be risky, the water retention might compress things in there and cause problems, and what do you know, that's what the docs told her. This girl was a stripper and had previously gotten a year long cycle of 2iu of Norditropin from her gynecologist!! I don't know if she had to suck dick in exchange but it's  amazing what sexiness can get you. But I digress.

[Krankenstein]

I think GH would help, even if the effect is minor if you think about what it does it shouldn'xt hurt any healing processes. Just a little, something that at least doubles your natural GH like 2iu. I think the TB/BPC have been trialed by the public enough to say it's not just a placebo effect. When RFK Jr talked about "peptides"  what else could he have referred to? Sure there are many more but those are the main ones talked about, not that he's a doctor or anything.But even if they work amazing they aren't miracles, like my buddy expected them to fix half a dozen tears in his shoulder, no, only surgery will work. Regarding the roids I think an HRT level, not levels in the stratosphere, would be appropriate. An addition of Deca could be just 50mg a week and give hoint effects. Maybe a little Anavar could help increase "good" collagen formation. I'm not a doctor but I would probably not take anything a few weeks before or after surgery. I think bhank claimed he did it that way, might have been at the docs advice, I don't know. Once a girl did a neck surgery and asked me about GH and I said it might be risky, the water retention might compress things in there and cause problems, and what do you know, that's what the docs told her. This girl was a stripper and had previously gotten a year long cycle of 2iu of Norditropin from her gynecologist!! I don't know if she had to suck dick in exchange but it's  amazing what sexiness can get you. But I digress.

He droned on and on about the tendon aspect of things which there's no correlation.  The reason most surgeons recommend coming off due to the polycthemia that can occur with taking test which could increase risk of blood clots.  Lets be real, most get biggers laugh at anyone under 2000mg test per week.

[Van_Bilderass]

He droned on and on about the tendon aspect of things which there's no correlation.  The reason most surgeons recommend coming off due to the polycthemia that can occur with taking test which could increase risk of blood clots.  Lets be real, most get biggers laugh at anyone under 2000mg test per week.

There was this bodybuilding gyno surgeon who later suicided who claimed MANY bodybuilders had to come off for 6 months before he would operate on them, their bloodwork was that bad. I doubt that but he said it. My RBCs are always within range regardless of what I take and I have low iron levels (don't know why, PED related perhaps, no idea).

[MAXX]

well I didn't even think about the blood clots I don't know why.. so stupid of me.. because I know it increases red blood cell count..I was only thinking about blood pressure but I tested before and it was "only" 124/something normal.  I was on trt before and after surgery.. around 250-300mg.
Well that's more of a mini cycle I guess.. but anyways so far so good 

@Van_Bilderass if anavar works better for collagen type of tissue than deca maybe I should use that instead. Less sides are better for me for sure... HGH yes lower dosage, if I can even find it. Current supplier doesn't have HGH, and I don't really like trying out new ones... have to think about it..

[Krankenstein]

Self admitted, I really don't know all the intricacies on AAS.  From what I have read is that there is new collagen being laid down in response to things like winstrol or anavar, but it is potentially more brittle than normal collagen.

There appears to be more research on increasing collagen production with consumption of collagen peptides and Vitamin c (and to a lesser extent Vitamin D).  I think the amount on collagen is 30gm a day and Vitamin C is like 2 - 3000mg per day.  That was the recommendation from the surgeon when I had my rotator repair in 2017.

Overall, the best bet is still going to be active therapy.  Simply doing leg extensions or light leg press isn't the way to go.  It should be from BOTH sides of the quad.  Its a hip flexor as well as a lower leg extender.  So, thinking globally, if you have issues with your "hip" that could have put the other side of the muscle at risk