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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2024, 03:55:02 PM »
Considering the territory they started with, and the huge losses, they've barely gained anything.

Their aim was to take over Ukraine and annex it, now all they have are the 'republics' they initially occupied before the war and a bit of surrounding territory.

At best it's a stalemate.

Their goal was never to takeover Ukraine, they only ever wanted the Donbas and Ukraine to not join NATO, if the CIA had not removed Yanukovych a pro Russian leader and replaced him with Zelensky a pro western leader and sought NATO membership they would still have the Donbas and Crimea, but the west and Europe decided to do it and now we have a loss of territory for Ukraine and a million dead.

The whole war like all other wars is being fought over economic opportunity. Russia needed to protect their gas monopoly over Europe, there are gas assets off the Ukraine coastline that where developed could have neutralised Russias position this would never happen under a pro Russian administration but could under a pro western one with NATO protection. Putin is just protecting his position and the west looking to undermine his and insert their own economic agenda. No one cares about Ukraine or Ukrainians and that is the true crime, just like Putin doesn't care like Stalin before him how many Russians die to protect their interests. They now have ensuredwitheir strategic land grab that where those gas assets are developed it will be Russian companies doing it.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2024, 12:01:02 AM »
^^^ Very accurate.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2024, 12:12:31 AM »
Their goal was never to takeover Ukraine, they only ever wanted the Donbas and Ukraine to not join NATO, if the CIA had not removed Yanukovych a pro Russian leader and replaced him with Zelensky a pro western leader and sought NATO membership they would still have the Donbas and Crimea, but the west and Europe decided to do it and now we have a loss of territory for Ukraine and a million dead.

The whole war like all other wars is being fought over economic opportunity. Russia needed to protect their gas monopoly over Europe, there are gas assets off the Ukraine coastline that where developed could have neutralised Russias position this would never happen under a pro Russian administration but could under a pro western one with NATO protection. Putin is just protecting his position and the west looking to undermine his and insert their own economic agenda. No one cares about Ukraine or Ukrainians and that is the true crime, just like Putin doesn't care like Stalin before him how many Russians die to protect their interests. They now have ensuredwitheir strategic land grab that where those gas assets are developed it will be Russian companies doing it.

Incorrect.

Putin has a few days ago introduced a new directive for the 'de-nazification' of Ukraine.

They tried to take Kiev, topple the government, takeover the country, and failed.

Ukraine, with western backing, took back half the territory Russia initially occupied.

Europe now hardly gets any gas from Russia, so they've lost that market. If their aim was to protect their 'gas monopoly' then they've completely failed.

The ruble is now over a 100 to the USD, having collapsed from about 30, Russia is now sanctioned and have suffered huge losses in military equipment and lives. Their military is now considerably weakened and depleted compared to the West.

Two other countries have also joined NATO as a result of the war, increasing NATO presence on their borders.

Besides a few pieces of surrounding territory to the 'republics', they've gained nothing. The losses to their economy far outweigh any of these small territorial claims. Most Russians are now poorer and worse off.

The Russian military has lost credibility and is considered obsolete and incapable compared to western countries. Before the war, the Russian military still had some prestige from the Soviet days, now they look like clowns.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2024, 12:22:01 AM »
How it started:



How it's going:


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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2024, 01:18:53 AM »
We can agree like I do with others to disagree, this has been the most misreported war ever, what's Europe running on solar and wind, historical nuclear, its running on Russian gas purchased through third parties to avoid sanctions, whilst they are attempting to increase nuclear capacity.  This war is as fake as the world can run on solar and wind without fossil fuels.

Sweden and Finland don't have competing energy reserves, the gas position I only know this as I work in an energy intensive industry with active team members from both Russia and Ukraine.  But hey lets call it Rubbish Ukraine is winning, there is only 100 dead to 1 million Russians and there are no US UK France Germany or NATO special forces in Ukraine just poorly trained North Koreans, and any day now Putin will surrender.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2024, 01:21:04 AM »
We can agree like I do with others to disagree, this has been the most misreported war ever, what's Europe running on solar and wind, historical nuclear, its running on Russian gas purchased through third parties to avoid sanctions, whilst they are attempting to increase nuclear capacity.  This war is as fake as the world can run on solar and wind without fossil fuels.

Sweden and Finland don't have competing energy reserves, the gas position I only know this as I work in an energy intensive industry with active team members from both Russia and Ukraine.  But hey lets call it Rubbish Ukraine is winning, there is only 100 dead to 1 million Russians and there are no US UK France Germany or NATO special forces in Ukraine just poorly trained North Koreans, and any day now Putin will surrender.

no it cant, the wind doesnt always blow and the sun doesnt always shine and we dont have the capacity to store the energy
the sun doesnt shine in the UK for months on end

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2024, 01:31:24 AM »
no it cant, the wind doesnt always blow and the sun doesnt always shine and we dont have the capacity to store the energy
the sun doesnt shine in the UK for months on end

My point exactly and claiming Ukraine are winning from this war is just as ridiculous. Russia has been fighting the US and NATO since about day 4 when they were 150 miles from Kiev. Ukraine just provide the frontline cannon fodder, and Russia are still winning territory all be it slowly.

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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2024, 04:20:33 AM »
^^^ Very accurate.

Not at all, the goal was to capture Kyiv, decapitate the government, demilitarize and "denazify" and wipe out Ukrainian culture and language before pushing west for more territorial conquests to bring back the glory days.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2024, 05:05:13 AM »
N Korean soldiers like lambs to the slaughter
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Shameful and sad that so many are getting killed or seriously injured, but I find them drones both cool and terrifying.  I could be mistaken, but it seems to me like a huge shift on how to wage war, cheap drones taking out multi-million dollar tanks and other war equipment.

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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2024, 05:08:40 AM »
Shameful and sad that so many are getting killed or seriously injured, but I find them drones both cool and terrifying.  I could be mistaken, but it seems to me like a huge shift on how to wage war, cheap drones taking out multi-million dollar tanks and other war equipment.

watching videos of Ukrainians dropping bombs onto wounded in trenches is disgusting but hey ho for the West it´s OK

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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2024, 05:11:47 AM »
watching videos of Ukrainians dropping bombs onto wounded in trenches is disgusting but hey ho for the West it´s OK

That dragon drone spraying trenches is terrifying.  I had never seen anything like it before.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2024, 05:18:00 AM »
That dragon drone spraying trenches is terrifying.  I had never seen anything like it before.

Flame throwers in WW1 were used but maybe they could get away if lucky but these Drones are from the Devil himself

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2024, 05:20:13 AM »
watching videos of Ukrainians dropping bombs onto wounded in trenches is disgusting but hey ho for the West it´s OK

Russia does not even care for its own wounded but leaves them to die on the battlefield. That way their deaths will not be tallied and compensation not have to be paid to the families.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2024, 05:25:24 AM »
Russia does not even care for its own wounded but leaves them to die on the battlefield. That way their deaths will not be tallied and compensation not have to be paid to the families.
Normally wounded cause more trouble for an enemy (treatment & resources) but to just kill them with Drones is wrong.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2024, 07:24:27 AM »
surprised they havent come up sith shotgun carriages foll of wire/ twine to shoot at the drones to wrap the propellers.

opps quick search and yes they do

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2024, 07:47:57 AM »
Normally wounded cause more trouble for an enemy (treatment & resources) but to just kill them with Drones is wrong.

Its not right but thats what Russia thinks of its wounded too, more trouble. There is a hotline that many Russian soldiers call to surrender to Ukraine where they get fair treatment, unlike the concentration camps where Ukrainian soldiers come out emaciated to the bone. Of course I don't know all the details of what goes on in Ukrainian camps, if there is torture etc but there is definitely torture in the Russian camps.

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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2024, 07:51:43 AM »
Its not right but thats what Russia thinks of its wounded too, more trouble. There is a hotline that many Russian soldiers call to surrender to Ukraine where they get fair treatment, unlike the concentration camps where Ukrainian soldiers come out emaciated to the bone. Of course I don't know all the details of what goes on in Ukrainian camps, if there is torture etc but there is definitely torture in the Russian camps.
apart from the Pro West Media , where is the proof of this? by the way i´m not being a twat as i do like you my Irish friend  :)

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« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2024, 07:56:32 AM »
apart from the Pro West Media , where is the proof of this? by the way i´m not being a twat as i do like you my Irish friend  :)
Ukrainians are torturing Russians guranteed

I saw a video of some "soldiers" cutting a prisoners cock and balls off, it said "Russians castrate Ukranian"

The "Soldiers" had fucking trainers on, no way were they Russian troops

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2024, 08:04:55 AM »
Ukrainians are torturing Russians guranteed

I saw a video of some "soldiers" cutting a prisoners cock and balls off, it said "Russians castrate Ukranian"

The "Soldiers" had fucking trainers on, no way were they Russian troops
a lot of misinformation & disinformation .. Putin is a Beast

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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2024, 08:06:06 AM »
apart from the Pro West Media , where is the proof of this? by the way i´m not being a twat as i do like you my Irish friend  :)

yes there is plenty of proof of emaciated soldiers when the leave Russian camps and stories of torture but I could not be arsed to go and look for them myself.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2024, 08:07:48 AM »
Ukrainians are torturing Russians guranteed

I saw a video of some "soldiers" cutting a prisoners cock and balls off, it said "Russians castrate Ukranian"

The "Soldiers" had fucking trainers on, no way were they Russian troops

If the video says Russians castrate Ukrainian then how is that Ukrainians castrating Russians?  ???

So much rape by Russian soldiers and it is well documented.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2024, 08:09:28 AM »
a lot of misinformation & disinformation .. Putin is a Beast

The devil, fuck him to hell.

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2024, 08:10:07 AM »
we know who did this..


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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2024, 08:12:28 AM »
If the video says Russians castrate Ukrainian then how is that Ukrainians castrating Russians?  ???

So much rape by Russian soldiers and it is well documented.

where is your proof Ro ? 

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Re: Cannon fodder
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2024, 08:14:35 AM »
If the video says Russians castrate Ukrainian then how is that Ukrainians castrating Russians?  ???

So much rape by Russian soldiers and it is well documented.
the trainers... Ukranians are not equiped like the Russian forces

of course its well reported, its called propaganda

Did anyone know that the allied forces ordered the killing of all soldiers that surrendered in the d-day landings?