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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #275 on: July 12, 2025, 06:56:18 AM »
so what you think is moral is moral.. gotcha...
most grown men think like that, of course you could be in the % who don´t.

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« Reply #276 on: July 12, 2025, 06:58:38 AM »
most grown men think like that, of course you could be in the % who don´t.
Your morals are based on your preferences, nothing more nothing less.

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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #277 on: July 12, 2025, 07:02:24 AM »
Your morals are based on your preferences, nothing more nothing less.
yes mine are based on the majority, yours is the minority

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« Reply #278 on: July 12, 2025, 07:12:00 AM »
yes mine are based on the majority, yours is the minority
how do you know what mine are?

I havent made any moral claims at all.

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« Reply #279 on: July 12, 2025, 07:16:56 AM »
how do you know what mine are?

I havent made any moral claims at all.

exactly .. Check Mate  :D

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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #280 on: July 12, 2025, 07:21:49 AM »
Of course I wouldnt be happy about it but people are calling for Andrew to be in jail...

Thats my point.

Im taking emotion out of the equation and using logic and reason and facts.
Aren't you the same country that puts people in jail for posts on the internet? Did you pay for your tv license so Andrew can pay for underage girls??? If he broke the law, he should pay for his crime, whatever that means in the court system. I don't know your laws over there, but if you were accused of doing what he did, would you be facing the gallows right now?
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« Reply #281 on: July 12, 2025, 07:35:44 AM »
Aren't you the same country that puts people in jail for posts on the internet? Did you pay for your tv license so Andrew can pay for underage girls??? If he broke the law, he should pay for his crime, whatever that means in the court system. I don't know your laws over there, but if you were accused of doing what he did, would you be facing the gallows right now?

Obviously not

he slept with a 17 year old where the legal age of consent is 16.

Is it right or wrong morally isnt the question, its a fact he didnt break any laws.

My opinons on the morality of it isnt even relevant to the point I was making.

And if I did what he did no, I wouldnt be facing the gallows at all, I would be "frowned upon" at worst.

Fucks sake can you lot not distinguish beween an "ought" and an "is"

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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #282 on: July 12, 2025, 08:12:51 AM »
Obviously not

he slept with a 17 year old where the legal age of consent is 16.

Is it right or wrong morally isnt the question, its a fact he didnt break any laws.

My opinons on the morality of it isnt even relevant to the point I was making.

And if I did what he did no, I wouldnt be facing the gallows at all, I would be "frowned upon" at worst.

Fucks sake can you lot not distinguish beween an "ought" and an "is"
Relax, take your emotions out of it. I admitted I was not aware of your laws over there. If he didn't break the law, then what's the problem? Those feeling some moral way about it should petition to get the law changed.
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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #283 on: July 12, 2025, 08:31:41 AM »
Truth will never come out. Too many people and agencies (CIA) that have to be protected. I guess it's some kind of improvement that the CIA does not feel the need to murder another American president, but now chooses to blackmail them.

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« Reply #284 on: July 12, 2025, 08:33:45 AM »
Relax, take your emotions out of it. I admitted I was not aware of your laws over there. If he didn't break the law, then what's the problem? Those feeling some moral way about it should petition to get the law changed.

The issue was never about age-of-consent laws in the straightforward sense. As Joswift was saying, those weren't violated. However, she filed a civil suit alleging that she was the victim of sex trafficking and sexual assault. It never went to trial, so her version of events was not proven and there was obvious skepticism around her claims of being under duress. I believe that in the US there would have been a case regardless, as individuals under the age of 18 cannot legally consent to 'commercial sex'.

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« Reply #285 on: July 12, 2025, 09:40:11 AM »

Maybe in the middle ages people fucked young girls but we have nowadays morals for a reason. were you brought up in a stable?

You don't have to go back to the middle ages ::) Go back a few decades. Look at age of consent laws in say France or Mexico or here in Sweden (15). If I'm not mistaken the most popular porn category is "teens" now often called "18-19 year olds." Why is that, could it have to do with that DNA thing joswift mentioned? dj has mentioned anonymous questionnaires on what age men find most attractive on average, they are instructive. I'm not going to talk about my personal preferenses or morals, it's absolutely useless, no one can read minds over the internet. Go back just a few ears and all rockers bragged about having 18 year old girlfriends, it was a batch of achievement. Look at all famous men in recent decades, how many were "pedos"? Quite many. It's fucked up fathers for example can't protect their daughters nowadays, can't lock thrm up, though of course in the past they may have married them off with some much older rich dude. The Muslims do, but they are repressive barbarians right? There are some "Nazis" who talk about a need for "white sharia" to protect white girls but we don't want that right?

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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #286 on: July 12, 2025, 11:34:53 AM »
You don't have to go back to the middle ages ::) Go back a few decades. Look at age of consent laws in say France or Mexico or here in Sweden (15). If I'm not mistaken the most popular porn category is "teens" now often called "18-19 year olds." Why is that, could it have to do with that DNA thing joswift mentioned? dj has mentioned anonymous questionnaires on what age men find most attractive on average, they are instructive. I'm not going to talk about my personal preferenses or morals, it's absolutely useless, no one can read minds over the internet. Go back just a few ears and all rockers bragged about having 18 year old girlfriends, it was a batch of achievement. Look at all famous men in recent decades, how many were "pedos"? Quite many. It's fucked up fathers for example can't protect their daughters nowadays, can't lock thrm up, though of course in the past they may have married them off with some much older rich dude. The Muslims do, but they are repressive barbarians right? There are some "Nazis" who talk about a need for "white sharia" to protect white girls but we don't want that right?
Link? For research purposes of course.
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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #287 on: July 12, 2025, 11:46:42 AM »
So what was on Bondi's desk then?  She practically bragged about it.   :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #288 on: July 12, 2025, 04:34:50 PM »
Guys, don’t waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about. (unlike, say, Rosie O’Donnell.)


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« Reply #289 on: July 12, 2025, 04:53:15 PM »
Guys, don’t waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about. (unlike, say, Rosie O’Donnell.)



Exactly. Who gives a fuck about Rosie ??? Bondi sucks cawk

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« Reply #290 on: July 12, 2025, 04:58:06 PM »
Exactly. Who gives a fuck about Rosie ??? Bondi sucks cawk

Agreed. So …

Trump is still talking about Rosie O’Donnell? Somebody that nobody (or very very few) cares about.

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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #291 on: July 12, 2025, 05:42:24 PM »
has any body queried the significance of inverted commas :

This systematic review revealed no incriminating “client list.”

does it mean there are no incriminated clients or just that they have not been specifically listed...? 




https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25992101/epstein.pdf

U.S. Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ __
As part of our commitment to transparency, the Department of Justice and the Federal
Bureau of Investigation have conducted an exhaustive review of investigative holdings relating to
Jeffrey Epstein. To ensure that the review was thorough, the FBI conducted digital searches of its
databases, hard drives, and network drives as well as physical searches of squad areas, locked
cabinets, desks, closets, and other areas where responsive material may have been stored. These
searches uncovered a significant amount of material, including more than 300 gigabytes of data
and physical evidence.
The files relating to Epstein include a large volume of images of Epstein, images and videos
of victims who are either minors or appear to be minors, and over ten thousand downloaded videos
and images of illegal child sex abuse material and other pornography. Teams of agents, analysts,
attorneys, and privacy and civil liberties experts combed through the digital and documentary
evidence with the aim of providing as much information as possible to the public while
simultaneously protecting victims. Much of the material is subject to court-ordered sealing. Only
a fraction of this material would have been aired publicly had Epstein gone to trial, as the seal
served only to protect victims and did not expose any additional third-parties to allegations of
illegal wrongdoing. Through this review, we found no basis to revisit the disclosure of those
materials and will not permit the release of child pornography.
This systematic review revealed no incriminating “client list.” There was also no credible
evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not
uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.
Consistent with prior disclosures, this review confirmed that Epstein harmed over one
thousand victims. Each suffered unique trauma. Sensitive information relating to these victims is
intertwined throughout the materials. This includes specific details such as victim names and
likenesses, physical descriptions, places of birth, associates, and employment history.
One of our highest priorities is combatting child exploitation and bringing justice to
victims. Perpetuating unfounded theories about Epstein serves neither of those ends.
To that end, while we have labored to provide the public with maximum information
regarding Epstein and ensured examination of any evidence in the government’s possession, it is
the determination of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that no
further disclosure would be appropriate or warranted.
After a thorough investigation, FBI investigators concluded that Jeffrey Epstein committed
suicide in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City on August 10, 2019.
This conclusion is consistent with previous findings, including the August 19, 2019 autopsy
findings of the New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, the November 2019 position
of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York in connection with the
investigation of federal correctional officers responsible for guarding Epstein, and the June 2023
conclusions of DOJ’s Office of the Inspector General.
The conclusion that Epstein died by suicide is further supported by video footage from the
common area of the Special Housing Unit (SHU) where Epstein was housed at the time of his
death. As DOJ’s Inspector General explained in 2023, anyone entering or attempting to enter the
tier where Epstein’s cell was located from the SHU common area would have been captured by
this footage. The FBI’s independent review of this footage confirmed that from the time Epstein
was locked in his cell at around 10:40 pm on August 9, 2019, until around 6:30 am the next
morning, nobody entered any of the tiers in the SHU.
During this review, the FBI enhanced the relevant footage by increasing its contrast,
balancing the color, and improving its sharpness for greater clarity and viewability. The full raw
and enhanced videos are available at the following links: https://www.justice.gov/video-file1;
https://www.justice.gov/video-file2.
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« Reply #292 on: July 12, 2025, 07:51:52 PM »
Is that quote is supposed to clear Trumps name?  All it says is that Trump drew the line at going after the children of Mar-a-Lago members.  He was apparently fine with them going after the teenaged staff at Mar-a-Lego—after all, that’s where Victoria Giuffre was recruited. 

Even still, this was after 15+ years of friendship and several trips on the Lolita Express.  That’s a lot of time to have spent with the most notorious pedophile sex trafficker of our lifetime.

I am operating on what I read - that Trump jumped a ride on Epstein's plane when his own was under repair.  I have not seen him connected to trips to the island.

I'm not naive, but that stuff has never seemed to been Trump's MO.

After for his "likes them younger" that's open to interpretation.  I refuse to believe he'd be fine with Epstein abusing children.
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« Reply #293 on: Today at 02:39:21 AM »
Link? For research purposes of course.

I didn't read all this, but from an anti-white supremacist source. It's half humorous and ironic and half serious.

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/white-sharia-and-militant-white-nationalism/

The idea is that women have to be controlled and not let loose to whore around and mate with non-whites. Even on getbig many bemoan what has become of white women, or women in general, but everyone is at a loss as to what to do about it. Some extreme misogynist racist think women should be married off real early and get to making babies when they are most fertile, smaller chance of them being corrupted and used goods and childless unhappy career women. Maybe there's something to this? Hell if I know :D



This systematic review revealed no incriminating “client list.”

does it mean there are no incriminated clients or just that they have not been specifically listed...? 



If you have time check this podacast out. He had some comments on this. Too lazy to search for the exact timestamp. I watched 2/3 of this and it was good.

&t=7137s

Guys, don’t waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about. (unlike, say, Rosie O’Donnell.)



"They haven't even given up on JFK" WTF man. Move along, nothing to see here ::) For sure forget about USS Liberty, as the President said “I don’t give a damn if the ship sinks and all the Americans are killed. I will not embarrass my ally”...indeed ::)

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« Reply #294 on: Today at 02:50:28 AM »
I didn't read all this, but from an anti-white supremacist source. It's half humorous and ironic and half serious.

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/white-sharia-and-militant-white-nationalism/

The idea is that women have to be controlled and not let loose to whore around and mate with non-whites. Even on getbig many bemoan what has become of white women, or women in general, but everyone is at a loss as to what to do about it. Some extreme misogynist racist think women should be married off real early and get to making babies when they are most fertile, smaller chance of them being corrupted and used goods and childless unhappy career women. Maybe there's something to this? Hell if I know :D

If you have time check this podacast out. He had some comments on this. Too lazy to search for the exact timestamp. I watched 2/3 of this and it was good.

&t=7137s

These ideas are not new & i remember in the 80s & early 90s staying at this place for military training. I saw all the Statues in the Gardens & i remember the long flight of stairs you had to climb every morning..going to Breakfast

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordensburg_Vogelsang

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« Reply #295 on: Today at 02:53:16 AM »
These ideas are not new & i remember in the 80s & early 90s staying at this place for military training. I saw all the Statues in the Gardens & i remember the long flight of stairs you had to climb every morning..going to Breakfast

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordensburg_Vogelsang

Remember this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

The Lebensborn children were horribly treated after the war.

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« Reply #296 on: Today at 02:54:08 AM »
I am operating on what I read - that Trump jumped a ride on Epstein's plane when his own was under repair.  I have not seen him connected to trips to the island.

I'm not naive, but that stuff has never seemed to been Trump's MO.

After for his "likes them younger" that's open to interpretation.  I refuse to believe he'd be fine with Epstein abusing children.

You gotta be kidding

Like AJ once said 95% of what is written is hogwash and complete bullshit

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« Reply #297 on: Today at 03:01:01 AM »
Remember this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

The Lebensborn children were horribly treated after the war.
It wasn´t just German children they started to take Polish children who looked liked their ideal specimen

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/hitlers-lebensborn-children-kidnappings-in-german-occupied-poland/

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« Reply #298 on: Today at 03:06:24 AM »
You gotta be kidding

Like AJ once said 95% of what is written is hogwash and complete bullshit

After for his "likes them younger" that's open to interpretation.  I refuse to believe he'd be fine with Epstein abusing children.

Sure, I agree. But "children" is also somewhat open to interpretation too, know what I mean? Legally there's a definition, under 18, but morally? "Child" sex is legal in many or most countries (?) still if you look at age of consent laws.

For example, Mexico:

Quote
"Federal Law:

The federal law sets the age of consent at 15.
State Laws:
State laws vary, with some setting the age of consent as low as 12, while others follow the federal standard of 15.
Age 18:
The age at which there are no restrictions on consensual sexual activity, regardless of state or federal law, is 18.

"Estupro":
This law can be applied to situations where a person over the age of consent (but under 18) obtains sexual consent through deception or manipulation. This means that even if the age of consent is met, prosecution can still occur if the consent was not truly freely given.

"Primary" Age of Consent:
Some Mexican states have a "primary" age of consent (potentially as low as 12 or the onset of puberty), and sexual activity with someone below that age is always illegal, according to a Wikipedia page on age of consent in North America."

I think it's a good thing that there's more laws helping young females not be abused and not forced to "grow up" too early, I'm not advocating the above, just to make sure I'm not misunderstood. Just showing what the world looks like even now in many parts. Donny talked about Middle Ages but this goes on right now. Some extreme objective biological views say if a male and a female animal can bear children then nature has approved of the union, which is why some cultures believe only sex before fertility is wrong. We as humans of course add our own right and wrongs. Someone said they don't believe in "right and wrong", which is human morals subject to interpretation. Instead one should think in terms of "good and bad." In earlier times, like in the US, it was thought that marrying off a young child to a wealthy older gentleman if possible, was the best overall "good" for the child's life.

I mentioned Elvis before, what do you guys think of this?

"Elvis Presley started dating Priscilla Beaulieu (later Presley) in 1959 when she was 14 years old, according to People.com and Business Insider. At the time, Elvis was 24 and stationed in Germany with the US Army. They met at a party at his house in Bad Nauheim."


I wasn't around then, did it cause an uproar, probably not but could be mistaken.


It wasn´t just German children they started to take Polish children who looked liked their ideal specimen

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/hitlers-lebensborn-children-kidnappings-in-german-occupied-poland/

Yup, read that a while back. Interesting that they thought slav untermench genes could beneficially be incorporated into the Aryan white farbic. The whole program may seem uncivilized and wrong to many people today, but otoh many popular people advocate the "browning" of white societies, breeding out the "pure" white genes. What is evil and what is good? Subjective :D

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Re: Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files.
« Reply #299 on: Today at 03:27:50 AM »
let´s not forget this sick kunt .. The Rolling Stone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandy_Smith

Smith and Wyman married on 2 June 1989 in a civil ceremony on his Suffolk estate; she was 18 and he 52. Smith had by this time developed health issues which she blamed on being on birth control pills since the age of 14, when she said her relationship with Wyman was illegally consummated; not long after the wedding, she weighed only 80 pounds (36 kg). Wyman reportedly grew impatient with her health problems and she moved out only weeks after they wed; the marriage officially ended in divorce after 23 months. Smith won a settlement then worth a reported US$880,000.[3]