Author Topic: Dante's Doggcrapp Training - unique and effective?  (Read 58927 times)

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #125 on: August 09, 2013, 08:28:03 AM »
Truthfully? Great guy.. Generous with those around him.. Helps more aspiring competitors with advise and supplements that you will never hear about.. I could go on but on this board it is " cooler" to degrade about anyone in bodybuilding yet its a bodybuilding board.. Odd.. Ya dont have to agree with him on his training or theories.. That's your purgative.. But it doesn't take away the fact he is a all around good guy..

Lats I read your posts, one that I find curious....you mentioned that a well known guru has pros take 300-400mg test with 4iu of gh in the offseason and eat lots of clean food. what is the purpose of this?

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #126 on: August 09, 2013, 08:39:52 AM »
Lats I read your posts, one that I find curious....you mentioned that a well known guru has pros take 300-400mg test with 4iu of gh in the offseason and eat lots of clean food. what is the purpose of this?



I'd like to see LATS answer this too. My guess is they were maxed out so he just put them on a health offseason and then went balls to the wall pre contest

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #127 on: August 09, 2013, 08:44:21 AM »
Lats I read your posts, one that I find curious....you mentioned that a well known guru has pros take 300-400mg test with 4iu of gh in the offseason and eat lots of clean food. what is the purpose of this?

Lowest maintenance dose possible as far as the gear goes, GH to heal injuries that happen during contest prep, and the clean food because there is no sense in clogging your system up with useless calories and fat with a dirty bulking lifestyle. 

When the prep starts and the diet is cleaned up the competitor will not find himself suddenly missing the pizza or two dozen chicken wings he was  eating daily prior.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #128 on: August 09, 2013, 08:45:40 AM »
And what is the obsession with gh15?   You fall for one of his scams or something?

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #129 on: August 09, 2013, 09:06:24 AM »
no, but the fact that I made it to my  level following some gimmick who lives with his mom in florida (gh15) and training like a moron, imagine what I could do if I followed a guys advice who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about.. :o

despite what I have said and the confrontations i have had with dante in the past I look at it like this- Dante has turned a lot of guys into freaks, and has pics to back it..gh15 does NOT! .

 alot of the guys he has trained  and  has turned into freaks were around the block for a while, so only a fool could say it was purely  chemical related,right?  those guys were all on lots of shit before... and he turned gym rats into freaks over and over again.


Don't get me wrong, I believe we can all learn from people/sources that prove themselves, but you should NEVER -blindly- follow a single person or source! (other when you hire someone) Guys like Milos, Chad and numerous others had good reputations as well, but they weren't perfect (yes, brutal understatement, LOL). I strongly believe in the principles of "wisdom of the crowd"; multiple people know more than one single person. This forum is a great example of this.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #130 on: August 09, 2013, 09:07:13 AM »
Geez, so now you're looking for a new "guru"?  ::)
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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #131 on: August 09, 2013, 09:09:26 AM »
no, but the fact that I made it to my  level following some gimmick who lives with his mom in florida (gh15) and training like a moron, imagine what I could do if I followed a guys advice who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about.. :o

despite what I have said and the confrontations i have had with dante in the past I look at it like this- Dante has turned a lot of guys into freaks, and has pics to back it..gh15 does NOT! .

 alot of the guys he has trained  and  has turned into freaks were around the block for a while, so only a fool could say it was purely  chemical related,right?  those guys were all on lots of shit before... and he turned gym rats into freaks over and over again.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #132 on: August 09, 2013, 09:11:35 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I believe we can all learn from people/sources that prove themselves, but you should NEVER -blindly- follow a single person or source! (other when you hire someone) Guys like Milos, Chad and numerous others had good reputations as well, but they weren't perfect (yes, brutal understatement, LOL). I strongly believe in the principles of "wisdom of the crowd"; multiple people know more than one single person. This forum is a great example of this.
i believe in the principle of

"the freakiest bbers of all time were not rocket surgeons"

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #133 on: August 09, 2013, 09:19:11 AM »
i believe in the principle of

"the freakiest bbers of all time were not rocket surgeons"

They had money, good sources and good receptors, that's pretty much it

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #134 on: August 09, 2013, 09:21:22 AM »
They had money, good sources and good receptors, that's pretty much it
and those that didnt have money simply sold their dignity

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #135 on: August 09, 2013, 09:24:56 AM »
and those that didnt have money simply sold their dignity

Yip, yip :-\

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #136 on: August 09, 2013, 09:32:29 AM »
Yip, yip :-\
DO NOT USE RONNIE COLEMAN PHRASES IN THIS CONTEXT

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #137 on: August 09, 2013, 09:37:46 AM »
What's the general thoughts of this guy? since Im officially an enemy of gh15, and since I fucking hate gh15,  I suppose that would make me friends with the guy now "in theory"

He claims Im maxed out, burned out, will never be a freak cause I started too young etc but i really dont give a shit about that....what I do want to know is, if if what he says is legit or not. I mean he  claimed he was about to fight craig titus and craig backed out like a bitch, and that he writes $1,000 anonymous checks to "Good people" in this industry...

 anyone know the guy on a personal level? be curious to hear some REAL opinions on the guy

Like him or not, there is no doubt Titus would have back away, Dante is a BIG boy.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #138 on: August 09, 2013, 09:50:09 AM »
LOL, I wasn't even referring to the GOAT, but I love the meltdown :D

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #139 on: August 09, 2013, 10:15:41 AM »
I tried his training for a while. I liked the log book part of it. It's useful.
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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #140 on: August 09, 2013, 10:31:38 AM »
The original 'cycles for pennies' article was actually a pretty good one for anyone looking to make big size gains.

it was legendary here maybe 8 years ago.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #141 on: August 09, 2013, 10:53:51 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I believe we can all learn from people/sources that prove themselves, but you should NEVER -blindly- follow a single person or source! (other when you hire someone) Guys like Milos, Chad and numerous others had good reputations as well, but they weren't perfect (yes, brutal understatement, LOL). I strongly believe in the principles of "wisdom of the crowd"; multiple people know more than one single person. This forum is a great example of this.

This, times a million. Gotta listen to everyone and take bits and pieces from it.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #142 on: August 09, 2013, 11:17:17 AM »
Dante pushes protein powder hard and coincidentally has a supplement company with a primary focus on... protein!

His program is great for building tons of strength. I was benching 3 plates under 170lbs which is great for a REAL LIFE LIFT and not a fake e-stat. I never see kids my size pushing weight like that. Was doing rack deads for 8 reps with 450lbs on the bar and same with squats (all the way down because I was obsessed with being hardcore). I was very, very, very proud of my lifts but got more and more scared of my log book. The nice thing about his program and that you hold yourself accountable. If you cheat and push heavy weights, the next workout you'll pay for it. So you really can't deviate away from things when you're recording the numbers and having to routinely beat them. I honestly liked his program a lot and after following it for a while, my log book thankfully got destroyed in the rain and that's when I stopped.

His program makes a lot of sense but after a while you don't keep gaining mass. Strength doesn't mean mass, it means strength. Pushing heavy weights helps to build mass, but it's not the only pillar to support everything. I think just about anyone could follow a similar program as what he lays out. I tried the different splits and put my own spin on things. I like volume training too, so I'd do some heavy training along with a couple extra exercises to balance things out. I still use things I adopted from his program like the extended rest-pause sets along with some focus on the eccentric phase of lifts. And I also do a big ass volume set which he calls widow makers and he is really pissy about because "no one understands it properly".

He's a bit of an ass and is egocentric. A lot of his principals were adopted from others too, so I don't like how rigorously he protects his program because no one really invented shit in the last few decades. It's all a rehash of something that someone else did a few decades before. But taken ego out of the equation, he's got a good general outline and lots of good ideas. Don't worry about rinsing your beef, crushing a kilogram of protein a day or cutting off carbs at night. That's all hog wash gimmicks because everyone resonates and gets a gushing pussy when someone offers a gimmick. But gimmicks aside, good program to start with and mold into your own. And his gear information was pretty good too. Keep things simple, push weights, eat in alignment with whatever your goal is. That's not Dante's advice, it's just good advice period.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #143 on: August 09, 2013, 11:18:33 AM »
Smart guy when it comes to health and perspective on life. His comments on whether the drugs and shit are worth it in the long run made me rethink things. His training methods are mentally taxing as fuck after awhile but you can pick some useful things out of his philosophy. He gets more a lot more hate than he deserves.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #144 on: August 09, 2013, 11:33:01 AM »

I got nothing but respect for Dante. he's represented himself well on boards, is quick to share his knowledge and advise and loves the bodybuilding lifestyle just like the rest of us. imo he's a credit to the online community and and given all that I wouldn't hesitate to use his supps if I didn't have to go thru the pain if going thru customs.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #145 on: August 09, 2013, 11:53:45 AM »
Like him or not, there is no doubt Titus would have back away, Dante is a BIG boy.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #146 on: August 09, 2013, 11:57:52 AM »
ESF you don't know shit. Dante came here and pretty much called craig out, and apparently was the biggest pussy around. Chris cormier was about to give him a whopping and he gets on his knees and begs  chris to not kick his ass
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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #147 on: August 09, 2013, 12:00:24 PM »
I used to attack people a lot more back in the day, but now that I see what kind of industry it is I realize that you can't get by on honesty. Who's honest in this industry and makes money? No one. You either sell a gimmick or lie about being a natural, which is a bit of a gimmick in and of itself. Ain't no body got any time for the straight truth. It's sad, but true.

I really don't care about him selling congealed beef amino soup mix with glutamines or whatever it is that he's pimping, but a brother's gotta have multiple revenue streams. In business you can't spend too much time caring about how people feel and everybody's feelings. This is a dirty industry and like any other business, what matters is the return on your investment. If suckers wanna buy expensive proteins and green tea extracts from him, I guess they will no matter what. I just hope that people don't make TOO much of an outlandish claim when they hawk their wares. Protein powder works and is okay, but the way he pushes it is much too aggressive. Also the way they don't talk about drugs and say they just inject a thimble of testosterone booster every fortnight is a joke. Drugs are a pivotal component for all of his trainees success. He just can't advertise that fact obviously, I just wish he would skirt the issue a bit more gracefully instead of outright denying it. You can't churn out mass monsters and say they all watched a guy in the gym locker pop a couple dbols one day and then everyone in the gym magically blew up.

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #148 on: August 09, 2013, 12:02:44 PM »
I remember all the hoopla about dante's 'cycle on pennies' back in '02... to most of us who'd been around a while and worked with bbers as trainers/coaches, none of that shit he was saying was new. I had a 40 page thread on rippedmass pointing that out. train hard, stimulate growth, eat and recover. he (over)simplified it for most ppl. "train a muscle 1x/wk and you gain .5mm of muscle... so that's 26mm/year.. train 3x a week, that's 76mm muscle/year" blah blah blah... it's a nice theory to sell and get your name out... easy to market yourself and your products (look at FST7). but it just doesn't work that way.

cycle on pennies? sure. test, tren, and dbol... chicken breasts, protein shakes, rice and oatmeal..... cheap and effective, and appeals to a lot of ppl who were looking for so-called "exotic" drugs (well, exotic back in '02 when they were harder to get.. and more expensive)

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Re: Dante Trudel/Doggcrapp
« Reply #149 on: August 09, 2013, 12:06:39 PM »
I remember all the hoopla about dante's 'cycle on pennies' back in '02... to most of us who'd been around a while and worked with bbers as trainers/coaches, none of that shit he was saying was new. I had a 40 page thread on rippedmass pointing that out. train hard, stimulate growth, eat and recover. he (over)simplified it for most ppl. "train a muscle 1x/wk and you gain .5mm of muscle... so that's 26mm/year.. train 3x a week, that's 76mm muscle/year" blah blah blah... it's a nice theory to sell and get your name out... easy to market yourself and your products (look at FST7). but it just doesn't work that way.

cycle on pennies? sure. test, tren, and dbol... chicken breasts, protein shakes, rice and oatmeal..... cheap and effective, and appeals to a lot of ppl who were looking for so-called "exotic" drugs (well, exotic back in '02 when they were harder to get.. and more expensive)

It was more of a great discussion than anything. The actual conversation piece was pretty cut and dry, but everyone was enthused and there was a good vibe. Most people there were probably used to the regular gym banter you hear in a locker room that's completely false.

Thank goodness for the internet, because I still hear the craziest shit at the gym and it makes me shake my head. If you've done any level of research, it should almost be hard to be flat out wrong these days. You can download full fucking books and entire studies, as well as ready stickied, dummified threads on a billion forums that should lay it all out. :-\