Author Topic: Dante's Doggcrapp Training - unique and effective? (Read 58906 times)

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #100 on:** July 29, 2006, 06:21:31 PM »

Quote from: DOGGCRAPP on July 29, 2006, 02:54:55 PM

Really Matt?

There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years

(this should be good)

Hate to butt in but at the Ironman I believe he weighed in somewhere in the low to mid 190's and when you say he was 163 when he turned pro don't forget he had to make a weight class and probably had to sacrifice some muscle to get there. If you're a knowlegable trainer you should know as well as I when you don't have to sacrifice muscle you're going to come in heavier so saying he put on 40lbs of muscle IMO Isn't quite accurate....BUT, let's say he did, putting on 30-40lbs of muscle in a 3 year period is roughly a little over 13lbs of muscle per year and when you're on gear, even small amounts for long cycles it's not that difficult to expect such a gain.

Now on to another point. Why, please tell me why he needs to gain an extra 40lbs in the offseason for little gain...there is absolutly no proof gaining that much in the offseason will mean significant gains come contest day unless....again...he loads up on gear for the better part of his offseason training. Seems Henry does well on his conditioning and not his size....why ruin it?

I ETA PI · « **Reply #101 on:** July 29, 2006, 06:41:59 PM »

He turned pro as a middleweight.
I doubt he had to "make weight" at 163lbs, as the middleweight cut off is 176. Hell, he could have made lightweight!

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on July 29, 2006, 06:21:31 PM

Hate to butt in but at the Ironman I believe he weighed in somewhere in the low to mid 190's and when you say he was 163 when he turned pro don't forget he had to make a weight class and probably had to sacrifice some muscle to get there. If you're a knowlegable trainer you should know as well as I when you don't have to sacrifice muscle you're going to come in heavier so saying he put on 40lbs of muscle IMO Isn't quite accurate....BUT, let's say he did, putting on 30-40lbs of muscle in a 3 year period is roughly a little over 13lbs of muscle per year and when you're on gear, even small amounts for long cycles it's not that difficult to expect such a gain.

Now on to another point. Why, please tell me why he needs to gain an extra 40lbs in the offseason for little gain...there is absolutly no proof gaining that much in the offseason will mean significant gains come contest day unless....again...he loads up on gear for the better part of his offseason training. Seems Henry does well on his conditioning and not his size....why ruin it?

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #102 on:** July 29, 2006, 06:49:54 PM »

looks pretty young here

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #103 on:** July 29, 2006, 07:19:05 PM »

Quote from: I ETA PI on July 29, 2006, 06:41:59 PM

He turned pro as a middleweight.
I doubt he had to "make weight" at 163lbs, as the middleweight cut off is 176. Hell, he could have made lightweight!

I know, I should have clarified. What I meant to say is he more than likely sacrificed muscle to come in as depleted as he seemed to be.

DOGGCRAPP · « **Reply #104 on:** July 29, 2006, 07:22:34 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on July 29, 2006, 06:21:31 PM

Hate to butt in but at the Ironman I believe he weighed in somewhere in the low to mid 190's and when you say he was 163 when he turned pro don't forget he had to make a weight class and probably had to sacrifice some muscle to get there. If you're a knowlegable trainer you should know as well as I when you don't have to sacrifice muscle you're going to come in heavier so saying he put on 40lbs of muscle IMO Isn't quite accurate....BUT, let's say he did, putting on 30-40lbs of muscle in a 3 year period is roughly a little over 13lbs of muscle per year and when you're on gear, even small amounts for long cycles it's not that difficult to expect such a gain.

Now on to another point. Why, please tell me why he needs to gain an extra 40lbs in the offseason for little gain...there is absolutly no proof gaining that much in the offseason will mean significant gains come contest day unless....again...he loads up on gear for the better part of his offseason training. Seems Henry does well on his conditioning and not his size....why ruin it?

Make a weight class? 156 TO 172 LBS? He weighed 163 at the Nats. Did he diet off another 9 because he loves dieting-lol?
After carb up he weighed 204lbs last year. Thats 41lbs of muscle mass and he was far more shredded than any time he was an amateur so if he lost muscle mass it was to get down to 204. Forty lbs of muscle mass isnt a hard gain? Then AGAIN name all the other pro's doing it...simple as that.

To your second point. 228 offseason dieting down to 204...thats 24lbs. We are going to 242 so we can get him in the 210-220 range. Did you not see he was the most shredded human being on the planet at the NOC? He got third, and was told "got to get bigger" so the only way he can get 2nd or 1st is getting larger, so if they want larger, we are giving them larger. For MattC yes i do all of Daves offseason diet, and Dave does all of his own prep work (he sure as heck doesnt need any help in that aspect)

sarcasm · « **Reply #105 on:** July 29, 2006, 07:28:14 PM »

Quote from: DOGGCRAPP on July 29, 2006, 07:22:34 PM

Make a weight class? 156 TO 172 LBS? He weighed 163 at the Nats. Did he diet off another 9 because he loves dieting-lol?
After carb up he weighed 204lbs last year. Thats 41lbs of muscle mass and he was far more shredded than any time he was an amateur so if he lost muscle mass it was to get down to 204. Forty lbs of muscle mass isnt a hard gain? Then AGAIN name all the other pro's doing it...simple as that.

To your second point. 228 offseason dieting down to 204...thats 24lbs. We are going to 242 so we can get him in the 210-220 range. Did you not see he was the most shredded human being on the planet at the NOC? He got third, and was told "got to get bigger" so the only way he can get 2nd or 1st is getting larger, so if they want larger, we are giving them larger. For MattC yes i do all of Daves offseason diet, and Dave does all of his own prep work (he sure as heck doesnt need any help in that aspect)

anyone can go from 163 to 204, now, have him go from 220 to 250 onstage and we'll talk.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #106 on:** July 29, 2006, 07:57:38 PM »

Quote from: DOGGCRAPP on July 29, 2006, 07:22:34 PM

Make a weight class? 156 TO 172 LBS? He weighed 163 at the Nats. Did he diet off another 9 because he loves dieting-lol?
After carb up he weighed 204lbs last year. Thats 41lbs of muscle mass and he was far more shredded than any time he was an amateur so if he lost muscle mass it was to get down to 204. Forty lbs of muscle mass isnt a hard gain? Then AGAIN name all the other pro's doing it...simple as that.

To your second point. 228 offseason dieting down to 204...thats 24lbs. We are going to 242 so we can get him in the 210-220 range. Did you not see he was the most shredded human being on the planet at the NOC? He got third, and was told "got to get bigger" so the only way he can get 2nd or 1st is getting larger, so if they want larger, we are giving them larger. For MattC yes i do all of Daves offseason diet, and Dave does all of his own prep work (he sure as heck doesnt need any help in that aspect)

1. No, not that he loves dieting, because he might have been afraid of coming in too smooth at a heavier weight.

2. CARBING UP before a show does not equate to muscle gain. Example..when I competed (1991) I weighed in at 172 in the morning...at prejudging (some 3-4 hours later) I was 178.....by the night show I was 186lbs and tight. your telling me I (or Dave) gained some 14lbs of muscle in an 8hr period?? Thats seems to me that's what you're saying!

Count Grishnackh · « **Reply #107 on:** July 29, 2006, 09:42:06 PM »

I just want to know if Henry rinses his ground beef off and drinks olive oil in his protein shakes. $:-\$

I will give DC credit for one thing, he didn't rip off Mentzer's dieting theories. So if there is actually 1 thing he's done legit and on his own, it's his nutritional counseling.

But then we get into the protein distributor recommending 600 grams of protein debates and the fact that carb cutoffs and food combining is alchemy at best.

The Freakshow · « **Reply #108 on:** July 29, 2006, 10:41:20 PM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on May 04, 2006, 09:48:54 PM

bingo!

I agree with Mike. I think it's just his genetics.

The Freakshow · « **Reply #109 on:** July 29, 2006, 10:42:02 PM »

Quote from: The Freakshow on July 29, 2006, 10:41:20 PM

I agree with Mike. I think it's just his genetics.

However, I do believe he will bring them up significantly in the future.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #110 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:46:02 PM »

Quote from: Count Grishnackh on July 29, 2006, 09:42:06 PM

But then we get into the protein distributor recommending 600 grams of protein debates and the fact that carb cutoffs and food combining is alchemy at best.

I loved how in the 1995 Mr. Olympia vhs Nasser claimed that he gained 30 lbs of solid muscle that year by increasing his ~~insulin~~ protein intake

sarcasm · « **Reply #111 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:47:01 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on September 04, 2006, 04:46:02 PM

I loved how in the 1995 Mr. Olympia vhs Nasser claimed that he gained 30 lbs of solid muscle that year by increasing his ~~insulin~~ protein intake

that's one of the most photoshopped pics i've ever seen.

alexxx · « **Reply #112 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:47:55 PM »

Quote from: sarcasm on September 04, 2006, 04:47:01 PM

that's one of the most photoshopped pics i've ever seen.

I bet you've seen a lot of photshoped ~~dicks~~ picks

Hedgehog · « **Reply #113 on:** September 04, 2006, 05:31:16 PM »

While I think a lot of the Doggcrapp theories holds merits, the part with the enourmous protein intake has no support in any literature that I've seen.

On the contrary, the only thing it will lead to, IN MY OPINION, is stress on the kidneys.

I'd like to get links to threads where the reason behind the extreme protein intake is discussed, and I also wonder if Dante has ever seriously bumped up the calories using a moderate protein and more complex carbs such as brown rice and such. If so, what were the lack of effects?

YIP
Zack

Count Grishnackh · « **Reply #114 on:** September 04, 2006, 07:20:03 PM »

Quote from: Hedgehog on September 04, 2006, 05:31:16 PM

the part with the enourmous protein intake has no support in any literature that I've seen.

On the contrary, the only thing it will lead to, IN MY OPINION, is stress on the kidneys.

I'd like to get links to threads where the reason behind the extreme protein intake is discussed, and I also wonder if Dante has ever seriously bumped up the calories using a moderate protein and more complex carbs such as brown rice and such. If so, what were the lack of effects?

YIP
Zack

concur

as long as your macronutrient totals are good to go, you will only get as big as your genetics will allow, or take more drugs.

there was a study back in the early 70's about increased protein intake. it was all excreted. mentzer use to refer to it in his writings. He never took in more than 100g of protein or so per day at any point.

Cold · « **Reply #115 on:** September 05, 2006, 03:04:01 PM »

Nasser ElSonbaty is a clown. Dont listen to a word he says.

flinstones1 · « **Reply #116 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:54:05 AM »

What's the general thoughts of this guy? since Im officially an enemy of gh15, and since I fucking hate gh15, I suppose that would make me friends with the guy now "in theory"

He claims Im maxed out, burned out, will never be a freak cause I started too young etc but i really dont give a shit about that....what I do want to know is, if if what he says is legit or not. I mean he claimed he was about to fight craig titus and craig backed out like a bitch, and that he writes $1,000 anonymous checks to "Good people" in this industry...

anyone know the guy on a personal level? be curious to hear some REAL opinions on the guy

polychronopolous · « **Reply #117 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:55:41 AM »

We ran him off years ago.

flinstones1 · « **Reply #118 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:57:23 AM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on August 09, 2013, 06:55:41 AM

We ran him off years ago.

well I know that, cause of his pics,,,,,,but I mean all I saw was a massive dude in the offseason with 6 really nice cars in a garage. He owns a million dollar company And he has a hot wife I recall....guy seems happy. Wouldn't mind that life 10 years from now

THEBOSS · « **Reply #119 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:57:35 AM »

Doggcrap is a proper discription

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #120 on:** August 09, 2013, 07:54:32 AM »

Geez, so now you're looking for a new "guru"?

AlphaMaleDawg · « **Reply #121 on:** August 09, 2013, 07:54:41 AM »

Is this even a serious question? He is one of the most knowledgeable bodybuilding gurus when it comes to health and other things bodybuilding related. He and John Meadows are FANTASTIC for bodybuilding. They also NEVER push their products or try to make an easy buck. Pure class and integrity. Anyone who thinks otherwise is smoking crack or in denial. Please do yourselves all a favor and search through all of his posts over the years on professionalmuscle.com. And yes, his wife is a legit 10/10 (there are pics of her on his facebook page in a bikini). She is definitely way out of his league on the looks scale so good for him.

LATS · « **Reply #122 on:** August 09, 2013, 07:55:45 AM »

Truthfully? Great guy.. Generous with those around him.. Helps more aspiring competitors with advise and supplements that you will never hear about.. I could go on but on this board it is " cooler" to degrade about anyone in bodybuilding yet its a bodybuilding board.. Odd.. Ya dont have to agree with him on his training or theories.. That's your purgative.. But it doesn't take away the fact he is a all around good guy..

AlphaMaleDawg · « **Reply #123 on:** August 09, 2013, 07:58:12 AM »

Quote from: LATS on August 09, 2013, 07:55:45 AM

Truthfully? Great guy.. Generous with those around him.. Helps more aspiring competitors with advise and supplements that you will never hear about.. I could go on but on this board it is " cooler" to degrade about anyone in bodybuilding yet its a bodybuilding board.. Odd.. Ya dont have to agree with him on his training or theories.. That's your purgative.. But it doesn't take away the fact he is a all around good guy..

Truth. I have learned so much from his teachings on gear and health

flinstones1 · « **Reply #124 on:** August 09, 2013, 08:17:12 AM »

Quote from: DroppingPlates on August 09, 2013, 07:54:32 AM

Geez, so now you're looking for a new "guru"?

no, but the fact that I made it to my level following some gimmick who lives with his mom in florida (gh15) and training like a moron, imagine what I could do if I followed a guys advice who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about..

despite what I have said and the confrontations i have had with dante in the past I look at it like this- Dante has turned a lot of guys into freaks, and has pics to back it..gh15 does NOT! .

alot of the guys he has trained and has turned into freaks were around the block for a while, so only a fool could say it was purely chemical related,right? those guys were all on lots of shit before... and he turned gym rats into freaks over and over again.