The only way how to build real cannonball shoulders !!

[Van_Bilderass]

Real pharma grade anavar is insane.

Crazy strength
Crazy pumps
Crazy vascularity
Burns fat
Builds muscle I forget the exact numbers but something like the average user gains 7-9 lbs of muscle and lose 3-4 lbs of fat.
Makes you feel great
When you come off you keep most of it
Doesn’t shut you down completely.
Side effects slim to none, mainly screwed up lipids, it’s metabolized mainly by the kidneys so really no liver stress.
I’ve had great results off 15-20mgs of pharma grade. I wouldn’t touch black market cause it’s prob not anavar.

Next to test it’s the best imo and for some reason the shoulders really respond to it if you have good genetics. I guess the receptors in the shoulders like it.

There is real Anavar on the black market for sure but you are right it's often hard to know if your product is good unless you send it in for testing. One point I'd like to make. I don't know what HRT service you use but ironically most clinics use "black market" oxandrolone from China and have them compounded by a "legit" compounding pharmacy. If you think abour it, what US API producer would sell to an operation prescribing it for "HRT," they wouldn't take a risk like that. Some clinics prescribe oral steroids which have no legit source so it's obviously Chinese. But it can be good stuff regardless. Today the "pharma" term is a bit ambiguous, like all the Chinese growth would qualify as pharma quality as it's more than 96% pure.

On forums noncompetitors have been known to use up to 150-200mg of Anavar, it's insane, 100mg seems to be a dose no one bats an eye at, average.

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Regarding chest exercises or any exercises, some say this or that movement works the best for me, but imho most of us, and very much myself, aren't gaining shit, as in all new muscle, so it's hard to say which exercise actually works for us, we tend to choose the exercises we just like to do the most, which "feel" best. I will say benches to the neck felt like they worked the chest the most brutally, unfortunately I destroyed my pec doing them, in retrospect I wouldn't load chest with elbows out presses 

[Krankenstein]

just watched his video

He also does pullovers for rib expansion......FFS


he uses a very wide grip and stretches the pecs

Shame he didnt know that his pecs were a downward pressing muscle

Its a humeral adductor and flexor at the shoulder joint.  Its fan shaped so it will fire in all degrees of adduction.  There may be more activation of sternal head when the weight is moving more inferiorly (i.e. hand moving more down towards the waist rather than perpendicular to the sternum)...but to say its a downward pressing muscle is inaccurate.

[IroNat]

Bhanky says he developed his massive pecs doing pushups in wrestling practice.

Is there anything else you'd like to know?

[joswift]

Its a humeral adductor and flexor at the shoulder joint.  Its fan shaped so it will fire in all degrees of adduction.  There may be more activation of sternal head when the weight is moving more inferiorly (i.e. hand moving more down towards the waist rather than perpendicular to the sternum)...but to say its a downward pressing muscle is inaccurate.

if you stand up and push your hand out at a 45 degree angle the pec activates but does not contract full.
If you push your hand down towards your waist it contracts full, it literally couldnt contract any more.
The pectroal evolved to enable us to climb over things by allowing us to move through rough terrain

Just look how any bodybuilder flexes their pecs


I have no idea why anyone would question it unless they havent tried the pec flex method I keep advocating

Once you do that and see how much more tension is put on the pecs and how contracted it gets its blatantly obvious

[Krankenstein]

if you stand up and push your hand out at a 45 degree angle the pec activates but does not contract full.
If you push your hand down towards your waist it contracts full, it literally couldnt contract any more.
The pectroal evolved to enable us to climb over things by allowing us to move through rough terrain

evolved?  like it wasn't there and then suddenly we had it?  what is it, the magic extra muscle of hankins?  FFS the muscle fibers fan out.  i pointed out the action of the muscle.  Doing the 'no weight' test you advocating is flawed.  When under load and the arm needs to adduct, the pec will be involved.  By your comment, doing a push down should be all we need to do in order to "fully work" the pecs. 

Just look how any bodybuilder flexes their pecs

Again, a very flawed example.  The hands together there is resistance to adducting the humerus.  They hold them like that because they are showing the muscle.  Thats all!   Try this....stand to the left of a door frame, right hand down towards your waist, palm facing in against the frame.  Now press hard and move the arm up the frame.  The ONLY time there will be a reduction in the pec (sternal) contraction is when the hand is above the shoulder and more of the clavicular portion will be involved. 

I have no idea why anyone would question it unless they havent tried the pec flex method I keep advocating

The pec flexing method?  sort of like a weider bullshit principle?  When looking at the origin and insertion of a muscle, you can see how it will contract.  Now, if it is prime mover in a movement is a different subject.  Don't believe that?   The bicep is NOT a prime mover in shoulder flexion, yet that is one of its actions.  Why some people develop better pecs through one exercise or another can be attributed to things like mechanical , neurological, and anatomical issues

Once you do that and see how much more tension is put on the pecs and how contracted it gets its blatantly obvious

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[Donny]

Exactly,they should be doing Barbell Inclines !   

[Donny]

compare Doug to Sergio...  ´nough said... 

[Krankenstein]

compare Doug to Sergio...  ´nough said... 

Check the age on him in that pic.  There is a definite correlation between the "fullness" of pec in younger trainees vs. older (50+).  Its almost like the upper part of the sternal fibers begin to atrophy the older someone gets.  It gives the appearance of the 'droopy' pecs or more flat appearance in the so-called "upper chest".  Only reasonable explanation may be that the older a trainee gets...the more beat up their shoulders become and they can't do same pressing (esp down to waist) that they could and the pec isn't as stimulated.

[Donny]

Check the age on him in that pic.  There is a definite correlation between the "fullness" of pec in younger trainees vs. older (50+).  Its almost like the upper part of the sternal fibers begin to atrophy the older someone gets.  It gives the appearance of the 'droopy' pecs or more flat appearance in the so-called "upper chest".  Only reasonable explanation may be that the older a trainee gets...the more beat up their shoulders become and they can't do same pressing (esp down to waist) that they could and the pec isn't as stimulated.

very true but even in pictures of a young Doug Brignole he never had that thick upper chest that incline work gives.
I think incline work is more important as we age for the reasons you wrote.

[Krankenstein]

very true but even in pictures of a young Doug Brignole he never had that thick upper chest that incline work gives.
I think incline work is more important as we age for the reasons you wrote.

I would disagree about the incline though.  The "upper chest" fiber direction is more for pressing below that perpendicular line from sternum.  Its probably more-so that not enough of the 'decline' benching isn't done.

[joswift]

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evolved from Apes....

[ProudVirgin69]

evolved from Apes....

Absolutely incorrect.  We share a common ancestor.  Hope that helps.

[ProudVirgin69]

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Great post but you are wasting your time.  Jeffrey doesn’t think humans have any reason to lift things overhead, either.  His understanding of human function is, shall we say, limited.

[Donny]

I would disagree about the incline though.  The "upper chest" fiber direction is more for pressing below that perpendicular line from sternum.  Its probably more-so that not enough of the 'decline' benching isn't done.

I can only say that i´ve very good results from incline flyes & Barbell press.
I do like Dips though & i know the arguments about fibers..etc
still i think it depends on the individuell

[joswift]

I can only say that i´ve very good results from incline flyes & Barbell press.
I do like Dips though & i know the arguments about fibers..etc
still i think it depends on the individuell

some people are born with more than others.

If hyperplasia occured then why do people shirnk back down to their previous size once they stop training?

You think with all the additional fibre growth they would be bigger.

Its the same way people blow back up again after they start training after a lay off, its the muscles expanding back to their previously stretched size

[Donny]

some people are born with more than others.

If hyperplasia occured then why do people shirnk back down to their previous size once they stop training?

You think with all the additional fibre growth they would be bigger.

Its the same way people blow back up again after they start training after a lay off, its the muscles expanding back to their previously stretched size

If doug Brignole was so correct why then was his chest weak in thickness especially in the upper regions all his life?

[joswift]

If doug Brignole was so correct why then was his chest weak in thickness especially in the upper regions all his life?

he stretched and expanded his pecs to his full potential...

If hyperplasia was a thing then maybe he could have developed them further.

Same way Larry Scott never had biceps like Albert Beckles.

[Donny]

he stretched and expanded his pecs to his full potential...

 

[IroNat]

Absolutely incorrect.  We share a common ancestor. Hope that helps.

Is Bhanky proof of this theory?

Pics onsite:  https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=680234.925;topicseen

[joswift]

Great post but you are wasting your time.  Jeffrey doesn’t think humans have any reason to lift things overhead, either.  His understanding of human function is, shall we say, limited.

we used to be on all fours

Do dogs lift things over their head?

[MAXX]

it's more about the drugs than a certain exercise

golden era bb'ers didn't really have huge cannon ball delts. Mostly from the 90's and on.

Levrone had huge round delts and he did light side laterals but heavy presses.

[Donny]

it's more about the drugs than a certain exercise

golden era bb'ers didn't really have huge cannon ball delts. Mostly from the 90's and on.

Levrone had huge round delts and he did light side laterals but heavy presses.

His Press behind neck was insane

[NarcissisticDeity]

His Press behind neck was insane

[Donny]

we used to be on all fours

Do dogs lift things over their head?

yes but cave man had to throw a spear to kill a Mammoth which involves upper pecs & shoulders.
I doubt very much cave man stood over a Mammoth thrusting downwards 

[Donny]

he was a beast in that exercise & benches