Diabetes - Type 2 Diagnosed

[IroNat]

Type 2 Diabetes was diagnosed around early November, with a glucose level of 11.2% (been that high for 2+ years).     Took Metformin for a month, then stopped because it was whacking my stomach, but the best thing I did was get a Freestyle Libra 3, which tells me what was actually spiking me with the sugar glucose.  That helped the most.  Stopped rice, sushi, oatmeal and basically watched the spiking levels, and within 3 months, went to to about 6.9%, which I am now.

Learned a ton about what to eat, etc.  More protein, definitely more fat (aka, olives, humas, even real ice cream) and eating protein with fat and less carbs made me, in 3-4 months, lose 30 pounds too, which is cool.  Yes, can't eat pasta or dumplings, but worth it at the end learning about what spikes glucose.  Not what I thought would do it too.

That's what you have to do.

Good job, Ron.

[Blockingback]

do you guys get some high readings now and then even though you stick to doing right things?
Im pretty religious about exercise and food but did a 9.5 on the glucose meter today and thats insanely high for me. Doesnt worry me, just frustrating since im doing things correctly

[wes]

^^^^^  I have a Freestyle Libra monitor but my readings are very different than yours.

Of course it is probably because I have Type 1 Diabetes.

For instance a low reading would/could be 69 and a hypothetical high reading could be 195.

My Endo wants my blood/glucose level to stay between the 70-160 range ideally.

If I drink my usual 2 cups of coffee in the AM with artificial sweetener my levels go into the 200 plus range so it`s not just carbs that can cause spikes.

[Blockingback]

^^^^^  I have a Freestyle Libra monitor but my readings are very different than yours.

Of course it is probably because I have Type 1 Diabetes.

For instance a low reading would/could be 69 and a hypothetical high reading could be 195.

My Endo wants my blood/glucose level to stay between the 70-160 range ideally.

If I drink my usual 2 cups of coffee in the AM with artificial sweetener my levels go into the 200 plus range so it`s not just carbs that can cause spikes.

Id absolutely love to get a libre but so cant afford it
the finger prick readings are measured differently than libre, I dont know the technical jargon for it

ah fuck we are doomed anyways, lets just go you know where and take a cattle prod to you know who

[wes]

oh ya Henda, I forgot to ask. Were you or are you still getting up a lot in the night to piss? I was getting up 6 times a night thankfully only a couple now

I`m up all night pissing................. was always this way but now it`s tenfold................f ucks up my already lack of sound sleeping. 

I do 23 IU`s of a pen daily so it could be worse if I had to take fast acting insulin in conjunction with the fucking pen.

[Blockingback]

I`m up all night pissing................. was always this way but now it`s tenfold................f ucks up my already lack of sound sleeping. 

I do 23 IU`s of a pen daily so it could be worse if I had to take fast acting insulin in conjunction with the fucking pen.

if i have carbs im pissing all night, less carbs less pissing,....only got up twice last night which was nice

[wes]

if i have carbs im pissing all night, less carbs less pissing,....only got up twice last night which was nice

I eat too many carbs, so when I piss I excrete blood sugar which lowers your BG levels.

I have to really tighten up my diet.

[tatoo]

if i have carbs im pissing all night, less carbs less pissing,....only got up twice last night which was nice

are you taking metformin?... i got diagnosed type 2 a couple years back and was able to correct it w low carbs and stopping hgh... i was a borderline case tho... i took metformin and had no problems except for lack of a pump in the gym.. took about a month for my stomach and ass to adjust.. good to hear from ya tho brother!

[Blockingback]

are you taking metformin?... i got diagnosed type 2 a couple years back and was able to correct it w low carbs and stopping hgh... i was a borderline case tho... i took metformin and had no problems except for lack of a pump in the gym.. took about a month for my stomach and ass to adjust.. good to hear from ya tho brother!

ya ive been on the metformin since Feb 1. No issues with it. I found out today that when you go hard in the gym and it raises cortisol levels your glucose levels will also go up with the cortisol. I had no idea. I measured mine after the gym so Im guessing correlation there

[wes]

Id absolutely love to get a libre but so cant afford it
the finger prick readings are measured differently than libre, I dont know the technical jargon for it

ah fuck we are doomed anyways, lets just go you know where and take a cattle prod to you know who

Medicaid covered my monitor......I also have the finger stick one just in case I run out of sensors that attach to the back of my arm.

The fucki9ng sensors go for $166.00......can`t tell you how many times I accidentaly knocked one off on a doorway or taking off a shirt etc. etc.

I`m just glad I don`t have to pay for them or I`d be fucked.

[wes]

ya ive been on the metformin since Feb 1. No issues with it. I found out today that when you go hard in the gym and it raises cortisol levels your glucose levels will also go up with the cortisol. I had no idea. I measured mine after the gym so Im guessing correlation there

Is it true that metformin can be tough on the kidneys ?

I got my cattle prod charging as I type this.   

[IroNat]

^^^^^  I have a Freestyle Libra monitor but my readings are very different than yours.

Of course it is probably because I have Type 1 Diabetes.

For instance a low reading would/could be 69 and a hypothetical high reading could be 195.

My Endo wants my blood/glucose level to stay between the 70-160 range ideally.

If I drink my usual 2 cups of coffee in the AM with artificial sweetener my levels go into the 200 plus range so it`s not just carbs that can cause spikes.

Some artificial sweeteners "fool" the body and are recognized as sugar and trigger an insulin response.

That may be what causes your reaction.

[IroNat]

Blood glucose levels are naturally higher in the early morning because the body ramps up glucose production for energy it anticipates being needed.

[wes]

Some artificial sweeteners "fool" the body and are recognized as sugar and trigger an insulin response.

That may be what causes your reaction.

Yeah I thought of that Nat as I had read it online before.

I`ll ask my doc,though you are probably correct.

[IroNat]

Yeah I thought of that Nat as I had read it online before.

I`ll ask my doc,though you are probably correct.

No need to ask your Doc.

I play one on Getbig. 

[Ron]

The Freestyle Libre 3 is expensive, but once a doctor oks it, you can get deals from various pharmacies sometimes.  Last time, we got a 2-pack at CVS for $150 for both, which was the best deal so far.  But kinda cool watching the 'glucose' levels as I learn, what I can eat or not.

For instance, I go to a sushi place or dumpling place, and the levels shoot up extremely for a few hours, so staying away from those.
 But today, I ate a huge piece of ice cream vanilla cake, and shot up a little, and then went way down.

For me, eating more fat and protein slows down the glucose rising rate, and makes it go down lower.  For others, different experiences.

[jwb]

Fat can cause insulin resistance just as badly as carbs can.

A steady blood glucose level doesnt mean much if it requires your body to make massive amounts of insulin to acheive it.

The key to reversing type 2 diabetes is to get the fat out of the liver and the pancreas.

The way to do that is a sustained energy deficit until that happens and insulin sensitivity returns.

Dr Roy Taylor is the best diabetes guy out there. Search for him on youtube.

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[Van_Bilderass]

Fat can cause insulin resistance just as badly as carbs can.

A steady blood glucose level doesnt mean much if it requires your body to make massive amounts of insulin to acheive it.

The key to reversing type 2 diabetes is to get the fat out of the liver and the pancreas.

The way to do that is a sustained energy deficit until that happens and insulin sensitivity returns.

Dr Roy Taylor is the best diabetes guy out there. Search for him on youtube.

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Good points. Will watch the video, thanks. I've also read that excess protein is another factor, it's well known it can cause resistance, I think particularly the BCAAs, lots of papers on this but unsure how relevant in context.

My fasting and A1C have been good but I've eaten ungodly amounts of carbs and sugar for so long it's a miracle I don't have Type 2, that I know of. Used lots of insulin too and a many other bad things as well. Used metformin, unprescribed, to counter some.

I wonder if there are supps to limit the nerve damage from high glucose, things that actually might work to a degree? I know lipoic acid is a drug for this in Germany but I know some studies say it's ineffective. There's Benfotiamine, a vitamin B2 analogue, I think it has been sold as a drug for diabetics and used to be popular in life extension circles. Maybe acetyl-l-carnitine? Not sure if a chromium supp could be useful to help the body use insulin more effectively, it's also known as "glucose tolerance factor." I know there was some tiny trial showing a high dose, 2K mics, increased acute protein synthesis a lot so I saw it in some bodybuilding supps fairly recently. Back in the 90s chromium was pushed like crazy in Muscular Development mag by a doctor named Dr Colgan. They put chromium picolinate in all the Twinlab supps at the time.

Obviously diet and obesity and exercise are key, just interested in all the substances you can take too, as everyone here knows. Shoot me

[ProudVirgin69]

Some artificial sweeteners "fool" the body and are recognized as sugar and trigger an insulin response.

That may be what causes your reaction.

This doesn’t make sense.  If the artificial sweeteners triggered an insulin response, they would LOWER his blood sugar.

[Van_Bilderass]

This doesn’t make sense.  If the artificial sweeteners triggered an insulin response, they would LOWER his blood sugar.

Exactly and that was disproven long ago so it's not true anyway.

[IroNat]

This doesn’t make sense.  If the artificial sweeteners triggered an insulin response, they would LOWER his blood sugar.

Right, that's what the video I posted says.

This puts a strain on the pancreas to produce excess insulin just like eating carbs and sugars.

Eventually, usually over decades of high carb and sugar consumption, the pancreas' ability to produce insulin decreases and now blood glucose becomes unmanageable and results in Type 2 diabetes.

A "normal" blood glucose level just means your pancreas is producing enough insulin to counter the glucose in your bloodsteam.
It says nothing about how hard your pancreas is working to produce the insulin.

Wes has an entirely different situation because a tumor on his pancreas shut it down.

[ProudVirgin69]

Right, that's what the video I posted says.

This puts a strain on the pancreas to produce excess insulin just like eating carbs and sugars.

Eventually, usually over decades of high carb and sugar consumption, the pancreas' ability to produce insulin decreases and now blood glucose becomes unmanageable and results in Type 2 diabetes.

Wes has an entirely different situation because a tumor on his pancreas shut it down.

I don’t follow.  You claimed that Wes experiences a rise in his blood glucose after consuming artificial sweeteners because they “ are recognized as sugar and trigger an insulin response”

If these sweeteners triggered the body to release insulin, as you claim, consuming them in the absence of other consumed carbohydrates would lead to a decrease in blood sugar.

Please explain to me how insulin release results in an acute increase in blood glucose levels.

[Van_Bilderass]

This puts a strain on the pancreas to produce excess insulin just like eating carbs and sugars.

Eventually, usually over decades of high carb and sugar consumption, the pancreas' ability to produce insulin decreases and now blood glucose becomes unmanageable and results in Type 2 diabetes.

Wes has an entirely different situation because a tumor on his pancreas shut it down.

As far as I know the high glucose level also destroys the insulin producing cells of the pancreas. Which is why some specialists, from what I've read, advocate putting some Type 2 diabetics on insulin injections quickly after diagnosis to get the levels under control, instead of just the oral anti-diabetics. Obviously the glucose wrecks all the other organs as well. Insulin injections do not necessarily have to become permanent either, they can prevent having to go on permanent insulin, as bodybuilders who use high dosages of GH know, it can be protective. Many of the orals make the pancreas produce more insulin anyway, not metformin but others

[IroNat]

I don’t follow.  You claimed that Wes experiences a rise in his blood glucose after consuming artificial sweeteners because they “ are recognized as sugar and trigger an insulin response”

If these sweeteners triggered the body to release insulin, as you claim, consuming them in the absence of other consumed carbohydrates would lead to a decrease in blood sugar.

Please explain to me how insulin release results in an acute increase in blood glucose levels.

You are right.  I inferred that as a possibility of it messing with his glucose levels but that shouldn't happen normally.

After research the opposite should happen because of the increased insulin production dropping blood glucose.

My bad.

Wes has more serious problems so I have no idea what is going on with him.

Please contact my office to schedule an appointment for a complete blood workup.

Dr. IroNat of Getbig

[IroNat]

As far as I know the high glucose level also destroys the insulin producing cells of the pancreas. Which is why some specialists, from what I've read, advocate putting some Type 2 diabetics on insulin injections quickly after diagnosis to get the levels under control, instead of just the oral anti-diabetics. Obviously the glucose wrecks all the other organs as well. Insulin injections do not necessarily have to become permanent either, they can prevent having to go on permanent insulin, as bodybuilders who use high dosages of GH know, it can be protective. Many of the orals make the pancreas produce more insulin anyway, not metformin but others

Adding more drugs to counter the weakening pancreas instead of actually solving the cause (excessive carbs and sugars in the diet) is typical western medicine relying on drugs to solve what is a lifestyle issue.

The end result of this type of medicine is just making things worse so that the patient becomes a full-blown Type-2.

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