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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #275 on: June 23, 2025, 04:25:18 AM »
4000 destroyed tanks and 250 000 dead Russians later.

Over 1 million Ukrainians dead.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #276 on: June 23, 2025, 04:49:21 AM »
Over 1 million Ukrainians dead.

Some claim Russian losses as over 1 million as well.

Whatever the losses, they're more than the US deaths in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan combined!

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #277 on: June 23, 2025, 05:01:18 AM »
Some claim Russian losses as over 1 million as well.

Whatever the losses, they're more than the US deaths in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan combined!
Over 1 million Ukrainians dead.

US, Ukr and NATO intelligence (propaganda) agencies say 60-100 thousand Ukrainians dead and 1 million Russians. Russians claim 1.5 million Ukr KIAs and like double "casualties." with like 1:10th as many Russians. I don't believe either side but would lean more on the Russian side, though I don't know.

A while back Ukraine initially didn't want to accept 6000 frozen bodies from Kursk. Some say because the numbers look really bad, and maybe because they now have to pay the relatives.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #278 on: June 23, 2025, 12:13:14 PM »
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/23/sounds-familiar-was-this-said-about-iraq-in-2003-or-iran-in-2025

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Looking back, the rhetoric that paved the way for that invasion seems unsettlingly familiar. The US, along with the United Kingdom, tried to convince the world that Iraq had WMDs as the war progressed.

How well can you tell the difference? Read these 10 statements and decide: were they made in the lead-up to the 2003 war or in 2025?

I got 6/10  ;D

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #279 on: June 23, 2025, 01:12:45 PM »
Guys on this thread are saying regime change isn't the goal. But now the Israelis are themselves confirming the focus has shifted and regime change is on the agenda. Who would have guessed :D



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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #280 on: June 23, 2025, 01:56:45 PM »


So what's you explanation for Trump's post about regime change?  ;) Yeah I know he bullshits and misdirects all the time, 5D chess baby!

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #281 on: June 23, 2025, 02:10:23 PM »
So what's you explanation for Trump's post about regime change?  ;) Yeah I know he bullshits and misdirects all the time, 5D chess baby!

What Trump wants and what he's told needs to happen are not the same things.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #282 on: June 23, 2025, 04:02:48 PM »
What Trump wants and what he's told needs to happen are not the same things.

Are you saying Trump isn't really in control? Who is really pulling the levers? :D

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #283 on: June 23, 2025, 04:11:06 PM »
Are you saying Trump isn't really in control? Who is really pulling the levers? :D

on this occasion donald is Bens boi
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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #284 on: June 23, 2025, 04:21:20 PM »
on this occasion donald is Bens boi

I think it’s the illuminati

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #285 on: June 23, 2025, 05:03:07 PM »
All you have to do for all these predictions is see who pretty much always predicts Trump will lose and then just stop paying attention to them.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #286 on: June 24, 2025, 01:20:58 PM »
Some claim Russian losses as over 1 million as well.

Whatever the losses, they're more than the US deaths in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan combined!

They dont give two shits about their own people and historically never did.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #287 on: June 24, 2025, 03:31:47 PM »
Are you saying Trump isn't really in control? Who is really pulling the levers? :D

Probably Netanyahu or Big Ron Avidanhu
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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #288 on: June 24, 2025, 04:13:41 PM »
Probably Netanyahu or Big Ron Avidanhu

Someone who absolutely detests the evil Bibi said he's an extremely competent politician whereas Trump's nowhere near that level. Obviously Bibi finally got what he's wanted for decades and got a US President to bomb Iran. Then he kissed Trump's ass afterwards to flatter him. I imagine Bibi isn't happy if the US withdraws from further attacking Iran, though I think here they absolutely needed a breather since it's been reported Israel only had defensive missiles for a few more days. But it's far from over for Israel* Nor for the US; both will absolutely demand Iran hand over all their uranium. If you looked at the news today it says some US intelligence agencies estimated the nuclear program is still there, probably only set back a few months, the bombing failed to reach its objective. I think Trump blocked a briefing about it for some congress members.

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CNN: "The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by seven people briefed on it.

The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.” Another source said that the intelligence assessed enriched uranium was moved out of the sites prior to the US strikes.

“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added.
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 Further, former Russian President Medvedev claims Iran has now been offered nuclear warheads from several states! One of which was North Korea. So the world security situation is now far worse.

Israel will do much more fighting in the future, not just in Iran.

*Greater Israel

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #289 on: June 25, 2025, 12:21:42 AM »
^^^ Even if they get or have a nuke can they actually deliver it? The latest set of bombings only landed less than 5%.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #290 on: June 25, 2025, 04:11:34 AM »
^^^ Even if they get or have a nuke can they actually deliver it? The latest set of bombings only landed less than 5%.

This is part of why I don't think the US needs to worry about an Iranian nuke. If Iran gets a nuke, it is a much bigger problem for Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Europe. If they're so crazy and going to nuke everyone it forces other people to watch over the Iranian nuclear program. It doesn't have to be our problem. It should be their problem long before it becomes our problem.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #291 on: June 25, 2025, 04:18:12 AM »
This is part of why I don't think the US needs to worry about an Iranian nuke. If Iran gets a nuke, it is a much bigger problem for Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Europe. If they're so crazy and going to nuke everyone it forces other people to watch over the Iranian nuclear program. It doesn't have to be our problem. It should be their problem long before it becomes our problem.

The USA only gets involved when it suits their needs.
they´re not " Captain America " saving the free world...let´s not be fooled here.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #292 on: June 25, 2025, 04:19:26 AM »
^^^ Even if they get or have a nuke can they actually deliver it? The latest set of bombings only landed less than 5%.

FedEx or UPS.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #293 on: June 25, 2025, 05:22:26 AM »
Someone who absolutely detests the evil Bibi said he's an extremely competent politician whereas Trump's nowhere near that level. Obviously Bibi finally got what he's wanted for decades and got a US President to bomb Iran. Then he kissed Trump's ass afterwards to flatter him. I imagine Bibi isn't happy if the US withdraws from further attacking Iran, though I think here they absolutely needed a breather since it's been reported Israel only had defensive missiles for a few more days. But it's far from over for Israel* Nor for the US; both will absolutely demand Iran hand over all their uranium. If you looked at the news today it says some US intelligence agencies estimated the nuclear program is still there, probably only set back a few months, the bombing failed to reach its objective. I think Trump blocked a briefing about it for some congress members.

 Further, former Russian President Medvedev claims Iran has now been offered nuclear warheads from several states! One of which was North Korea. So the world security situation is now far worse.

Israel will do much more fighting in the future, not just in Iran.

*Greater Israel

Wonder how they think they could control that territory?

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #294 on: June 25, 2025, 05:27:22 AM »
Are you saying Trump isn't really in control? Who is really pulling the levers? :D

Israel.  What do you think the Epstein situation was all about?  Gathering kompromat on politicians, in order to ensure they serve the interests of Israel.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #295 on: June 25, 2025, 07:43:11 AM »
Israel.  What do you think the Epstein situation was all about?  Gathering kompromat on politicians, in order to ensure they serve the interests of Israel.

I've been saying this all along :D At least in theory, Trump could have pushed back against Zionism, The Lobby and so on but it would have taken gigantic balls. There was likely no desire to do so in the first place. I don't know how ordinary Americans feel about this state of affairs, how many question that Israel own congress completely.
Effectively, Netanyahu is the President of the US and Trump is maybe the VP, if even that.

This is part of why I don't think the US needs to worry about an Iranian nuke. If Iran gets a nuke, it is a much bigger problem for Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Europe. If they're so crazy and going to nuke everyone it forces other people to watch over the Iranian nuclear program. It doesn't have to be our problem. It should be their problem long before it becomes our problem.


It's everyone's problem. If I'm allowed to be an alarmist again, what this bombing did is that the International Non-Proliferation Treaty is now likely toast. Iran is now likely out, the program is now underground so to speak. Medvedev and the Russians now warn that Iran has also been offered ready made nuclear warheads. The Russians have always said Iran should never get the bomb. I didn't find the post right now, but I hear Trump said something like, "Did I hear the former President of Russia say the n-word?! That they will give Iran nukes!" Either he is monumentally stupid or he is playing stupid games again. Obviously that's not what Medvedev said, he sounded alarms about the new situation. Both China and Russia are completely against Iran ever acquiring nuclear warheads, obviously. Because if they do, then Saudi and Turkey will also acquire them. That is a nightmarish situation. I will say that it's unlikely Iran would ever use one if they had it because it's obviously mutually assured destruction, well Iran's complete destruction Iran at least, but other actors could get involved which could lead to MAD. Trump says if they had one they would immediately use it! Sigh. I think there's a bigger chance Israel uses one, say if they know Iran now for certain just acquired one. Someone asked if they could deliver one and if the Iron Dome could shoot it down like all the other missiles they've shot down. MIT Prof Ted Postol explained that ballistic missile nukes can have like 20 decoy warheads each. They are disguised in inflatable balloons. So when you have an incoming nuke you have to guess which one is the real warhead, a one in twenty chance.

What this PR bombing stunt did was make the world security situation a thousand times worse. I just checked and Trump is spouting his total obliteration and "nuclear program set back 20 years crap"; it was really stupid to celebrate a WIN immediately. Only a total dumbass would do that. And he's posting these Nobel Peace Prize nominations. An utter embarrassment, the laughingstock of the whole world. Fucking wait a few hours to see how the situation develops FFS! Is the US and Israel now sitting complacent knowing Iran's nuclear material is God know where, and knowing someone else might give Iran a warhead? Of course not. Trump is desperate to not be dragged into a bigger ME war, to his credit, but he is neck deep in shit. Netanyahu played him and he just had to do something for the Jews to please his donors and get these praises on Fox News... he's on TV!!!!!! Which to him is the measure of success. But he's a boomer and doesn't understand that most people don't watch TV anymore, they get their new from social media, podcast, alternative sources.

I can't help writing this long winded crap, sorry.

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #296 on: June 25, 2025, 10:57:11 AM »
The USA only gets involved when it suits their needs.
they´re not " Captain America " saving the free world...let´s not be fooled here.
Sounds like your country might be next for a "regime change" if you keep talking like that. :D
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #297 on: June 25, 2025, 11:17:42 AM »
The USA only gets involved when it suits their needs.
they´re not " Captain America " saving the free world...let´s not be fooled here.

Its not clear how  going to war on Iran suits its  "needs"
It certainly satisfies some of its desires
 
Far better for its needs would be getting over its butt-hurt over the siege of its Teheran Embassy in 1979. 

The supposed weapons of mass destruction situation in Iraq almost certainly would have not arisen if it were not for the massive support the US gave Iraq when it (Iraq) invaded Iran in 1980


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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #298 on: June 25, 2025, 11:32:26 AM »
The supposed weapons of mass destruction situation in Iraq almost certainly would have not arisen if it were not for the massive support the US gave Iraq when it (Iraq) invaded Iran in 1980

Yes. The US and Trump say, among other things, "do you know how many US troops have been killed and maimed by Iranian weapons in Iraq!!!" Well, what was the US doing in Iraq in the first place? Iran shares borders with Iraq, the US came to fight a war thousands of miles from home. US armed Iraq and Saddam in its fight against Iran. Gave Iraq chemical weapons. And even more schizo, Iran backed militias have been trained by the US and are now a security threat to US personnel there. Current Syrian president al Sharaa, whom Trump now fawns over, was an al Qaeda general killing US troops in Iraq. You can't make this stuff up but it's real. Years ago a Jewish friend of mine said about Israel, "just nuke the whole place, both sides." Perhaps ironically he's had multiple Iranian girlfriends, all were psychos. One was an on and off gf for like 10 years, constant drama and tears lol. I remember what he did not like were kurds for whatever reason, I didn't ask why at the time.

I guess God bless Iran as Trump says. Bibi won't say that :D

Look at what the Christian Zionist Graham said.




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Re: Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25
« Reply #299 on: Today at 12:00:08 AM »
Sounds like your country might be next for a "regime change" if you keep talking like that. :D
The UK definitely needs a big change 😄 but as far as Germany goes Trump won't have any problems with Merz ( the  Blackrock man ) his tongue is firmly in Donald's cheeks 🤣