Where does your moral compass come from?

[joswift]

thoughts?

[LurkerNoMore]

Inner desires and emotional reflection seem to be the prevalent motivators for the base urges.   

If you factor in family/community/religious/political influences, it can change to an extent that could either be a plus or minus. 

Education, reasoning, and life experiences would be the biggest growth factors imo.

[Rambone]

Mostly common sense

[CalorieKing]

Mostly common sense

I genuinely love this answer

[joswift]

Mostly common sense

Common sense isnt that common

Point is we seem to have a moral stance that goes with the consensus, in other words morals based on societal norms.

But what if society as a majority decided that its fine to throw deformed babies in pits like they did at Sparta

Would you go along with it or does your internal moral code spring to life and if it does then where does it come from?

[Griffith]

In Cambodia the Khmer Rouge used mostly young teenagers as their guards and torturers in the S-21 prison.

They were apparently the most feared from the prisoners as being the most cruel and enthusiastic in their job.

[MAXX]

Well... not religion

Idk I have some sort of inner compass for justice I think.... I dislike hypocrisy, double standards, and pretense. I think many people don't have that. I try also to not treat others in a way I would not like to be treated, in day to day life.

But then again morals are different for everyone. If I say something controversial like I say things like "women shouldn't vote" or that 3rd world immigration is harmful. That will by someone else lense(the comon woman/or an immigrant) be seen as immoral and cruel. But in the end if I think it is for the better of the future of this nation then for me it is needed to say.

[joswift]

In Cambodia the Khmer Rouge used mostly young teenagers as their guards and torturers in the S-21 prison.

They were apparently the most feared from the prisoners as being the most cruel and enthusiastic in their job.

would that be nurture over nature...?

[joswift]

Well... not religion

Idk I have some sort of inner compass for justice I think.... I dislike hypocrisy, double standards, and pretense. I think many people don't have that. I try also to not treat others in a way I would not like to be treated, in day to day life.

But then again morals are different for everyone.If I say something controversial like I say things like "women shouldn't vote" or that 3rd world immigration is harmful. That will by someone else lense(the comon woman/or an immigrant) be seen as immoral and cruel. But in the end if I think it is for the better of the future of this nation then for me it is needed to say.

religion has nothing to do with it

is having opinions on subjects really about a moral compass?

Most people agree that murder (unlawful killing) is morally wrong yet people do it all the time

But is it because they dont know its wrong morally or that they just choose to do it anyway?

[MAXX]

religion has nothing to do with it

is having opinions on subjects really about a moral compass?

Most people agree that murder (unlawful killing) is morally wrong yet people do it all the time

But is it because they dont know its wrong morally or that they just choose to do it anyway?

Well what can be said is the definition of morality. it's said that the definition is- right from wrong. Which is hard to set an objective criteria for. Other than by having Laws(and for some religion). Which is a base for our morality today. Without the base of laws which makes a foundation of guidelines for morality in society, more chaos would ensue. Because self serving people without morals(or their own odd morals) would make life harder for the majority.

About murder. Harming another person for no reason other than some self serving reason. Most, well 99% of all people would say that is wrong, and immoral.

[joswift]

Well what can be said is the definition of morality. it's said that the definition is- right from wrong. Which is hard to set an objective criteria for. Other than by having Laws(and for some religion). Which is a base for our morality today. Without the base of laws which makes a foundation of guidelines for morality in society, more chaos would ensue. Because self serving people without morals(or their own odd morals) would make life harder for the majority.

About murder. Harming another person for no reason other than some self serving reason. Most, well 99% of all people would say that is wrong, and immoral.

but the question is what makes it wrong?

[MAXX]

but the question is what makes it wrong?

Pretty obvious.

If I did it to your wife would you say it's wrong?

Or ff I asked you if it was okay if I did it to you would you agree that i did it to you?

99.9999% of all people would say no thanks to that. Leads to believe it is wrong.

[joswift]

If I did it to your wife would you say it's wrong?

Or ff I asked you if it was okay if I did it to you would you agree that i did it to you?

99.9999% of all people would say no thanks to that. Leads to believe it is wrong.

I know, so what makes it wrong is that 99.999999% of people think its wrong did they all learn it or was it always there?

[MAXX]

I know, so what makes it wrong is that 99.999999% of people think its wrong did they all learn it or was it always there?

Yes majority rule essentially. That goes for most things. Our laws too(used to anyways lol)

[joswift]

Yes majority rule essentially. That goes for most things. Our laws too(used to anyways lol)

No, I asked did we learn it or was in "built in" to our DNA?

If society said murder was fine would you change your moral stance?

[Lartinos]

For me my emotions pushed towards being immoral as a youth but then I first felt intense guilt for some of actions. This next time I realized my emotions were correct and it helped created my moral compass.

[joswift]

For me my emotions pushed towards being immoral as a youth but then I first felt intense guilt for some of actions. This next time I realized my emotions were correct and it helped created my moral compass.

so did they come from external factors or from within?

[MAXX]

No, I asked did we learn it or was in "built in" to our DNA?

group evolutionary thing yes.

Something we got hardwired from evolutionary behaviour in groups.

If you go in to a village of 10 people and kill 2 of them. The rest would probably kill you. That taught us not to do that. As goes for most morality. Group evolutionary learned/hardwired traits.

I.e. if you behaved in a certain way in a group you would be left out, thus more likely to die and not carry on your less wanted behavioral genes.

[joswift]

group evolutionary thing yes.

Something we got hardwired from evolutionary behaviour in groups.

If you go in to a village of 10 people and kill 2 of them. The rest would probably kill you. That taught us not to do that. As goes for most morality. Group evolutionary learned/hardwired traits.

I.e. if you behaved in a certain way in a group you would be left out, thus more likely to die and not carry on your less wanted behavioral genes.

now we are getting nearer to the point that "they have always been there"

Evolutionary from where?
From apes, do apes have a moral compass?

If so where did they get it from?

If you want to say its evolutionary then you have to accept that morals were present in Amoebas..if that true then who or what put them there?

[MAXX]

now we are getting nearer to the point that "they have always been there"

Evolutionary from where?
From apes, do apes have a moral compass?

If so where did they get it from?

If you want to say its evolutionary then you have to accept that morals were present in Amoebas..if that true then who or what put them there?

I'm no expert on apes but what I've seen they seem to have inherent moral aspects of their behavior in their flocks. Also group evolutionary hardwired traits. But at a much more primitive level of course, since their IQ is much lower. 60 IQ or whatever it is.

[joswift]

I'm no expert on apes but what I've seen they seem to have inherent moral aspects of their behavior in their flocks. Also group evolutionary hardwired traits. But at a much more primitive level of course, since their IQ is much lower. 60 IQ or whatever it is.

so pretty much all living things have a moral compass to some degree and as such we must assume single celled animals have a moral compass

Now, all we need to do is work out where it came from?

[Never1AShow]

A good amount of it comes from what I learned in the gym, universal life lessons like needing to put in the effort, come up with goals and a plan, stick to it, consistency, progressive efforts, needing all three legs of the stool (training, nutrition and rest), necessity of a certain amount of natural talent to get to the top, need to try new things if the old isn't working, need to rely on objective proof of gains, etc.

We can't all be Paul Dillett, but applying these took me further than 99% of folks who walk through a gym door.

Also never overcook your eggs past slightly runny or you won't be able to properly absorb the protein (broscience).

[MAXX]

so pretty much all living things have a moral compass to some degree and as such we must assume single celled animals have a moral compass

Now, all we need to do is work out where it came from?

All our inherent behavioral/cognital and physical traits comes from evolution. Unwanted traits are weeded out, wanted gets to breed thus carry on genes. That is how all lifeforms on earth evolves. No magic about it.

[38 returns]

the weider principles

[joswift]

All our inherent behavioral/cognital and physical traits comes from evolution. Unwanted traits are weeded out, wanted gets to breed thus carry on genes. That is how all lifeforms on earth evolves. No magic about it.

So if our morals stem from evolution then single celled animals must have had a moral compass or did it just spring from nowhere along the way?

After all something cant come from nothing...