RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10

[chaos]

So you are saying you wouldn’t feel as safe in the USA, right?

Ya, now you get it!

Your country could be headed in that direction..

Heading? LOL

[38 returns]

I would not feel safe in chicago for example not a chance

[Grape Ape]

I would not feel safe in chicago for example not a chance

Downtown is fine.

The unsafe parts there is no legit reason to go to.

For the most part, it's really not a danger to you, or someone like you.

[Never1AShow]

Is this memorial being broadcast in Moldova?

[Coach is Back!]

neutered??


UK deaths by guns- 0.013 per 100,000
USA 4.31 PER 100,000

you confuse 'neutered' with 'far safer'

Nope, can't do that. I do this almost everyday. Whenever I see anti-2A gun haters say this, they refuse to look at the totality of these statistics. For the record, I couldn't care less about other countries gun laws.

 Over all the Uk has a population of just over 67 million compared to the US of almost 340 million. That being said the UK overall about 0.09% in gun crimes compared to less than 0.01% in the US. Over 95% of our gun crimes (including homicides/murders) happen in democrat ran cities where "gun control" is tightest. This goes for Australia as well. People want to tout how Australia doesn't have guns or gun crimes, that's BS, in comparison it's that of the UK and US. While it's true in 1996 they did a mandatory buy back of 650K, still over 3 million remain....because those people aren't stupid. I know for a fact that home invasions are low in NSW because some people retained their firearms.

[38 returns]

Nope, can't do that. I do this almost everyday. Whenever I see anti-2A gun haters say this, they refuse to look at the totality of these statistics. For the record, I couldn't care less about other countries gun laws.

 Over all the Uk has a population of just over 67 million compared to the US of almost 340 million. That being said the UK overall about 0.09% in gun crimes compared to less than 0.01% in the US. Over 95% of our gun crimes (including homicides/murders) happen in democrat ran cities where "gun control" is tightest. This goes for Australia as well. People want to tout how Australia doesn't have guns or gun crimes, that's BS, in comparison it's that of the UK and US. While it's true in 1996 they did a mandatory buy back of 650K, still over 3 million remain....because those people aren't stupid. I know for a fact that home invasions are low in NSW because some people retained their firearms.

what fact?

however you paint it UK total deaths by guns 38
US - 48,000 give or take

our gun laws mean less people die at the hands of guns than yours. ergo our laws work better.

thats the only stat that matters to me.

[Van_Bilderass]

I had a very good friend for many years, Father Brian Mullady. He was Dominican Priest (a religious order founded in 1216), he passed away about 6 months ago at the age of 78. He's right up there in the top 3 of the most influential people in my life. Anyway, he was a mentor and confidant, helped me through some trying times when I was at odds with the Catholic Church in regards to my marriage but that's another story. But aside from all of that, he was also one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. He was an academic, worked along side St. Mother Teresa. wrote many books on Catholicism as well as his own show on EWTN (you can still find them on YouTube) we spoke regularly. Long story short, that's how. From someone who's a theologian, an academic and someone who's has studied all aspects of the Catechism, the Bible, how archaeological findings supports the Bible and its history, etc.

Ok thanks. I'm not criticizing anyone's faith, just have some thoughts, seeing the endless wrestling over doctrine and so on.

BTW, if you don't mind, what was your opinion of the previous pope? I saw many on the right being confounded and some outright calling him a corrupt false pope, the antichrist even.

Another thing, since you know guns, I saw someone from TPUSA saying Kirk's spine was so dense and strong it stopped the round. Also said the bullet was recovered from just below the skin. Plausible?


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I don't know if the official story is true or whether the Israeli connection might hold any weight, but these are some strange coincidences. Is Ben Shapiro trying to take over TPUSA now? He didn't think Kirk was fit to lead it just 4 days before his assassination. A few quotes from an article.
https://www.unz.com/runz/the-assassination-of-charlie-kirk/

[Coach is Back!]

what fact?

however you paint it UK total deaths by guns 38
US - 48,000 give or take

our gun laws mean less people die at the hands of guns than yours. ergo our laws work better.

thats the only stat that matters to me.

If they makes you feel better, go with it

[38 returns]

anyway charlies mrs has just said she forgives the shooter.

very christian of her.

surely that puts an end to it now.

[Krankenstein]

I get that. however I feel being a christian thou shalt not kill and then going out tooled up with a piece that has that aim is incompatible.

So how do you feel about a christian being in the military?

Show me one religion that have never killed in their name...I can't think of any

[Krankenstein]

neutered??


UK deaths by guns- 0.013 per 100,000
USA 4.31 PER 100,000

you confuse 'neutered' with 'far safer'

Plenty of of stats that make UK not look good.  Fear of crime, assault victims, drug offenses, etc.

Just because I own a gun doesn't put me in a category where I am looking forward to killing someone.  In some ways, I look at it as evening out the playing field.  I understand that you were put in a horrible position and now have adopted your view point based on that.  That does not, however, mean everyone else will be so quick to "pull the trigger" as you.  Again, never would I judge you.  I can't imagine ever having to make the decisions you felt you had to make.  I just don't agree with your outlook on guns.

[Krankenstein]

I would not feel safe in chicago for example not a chance

Plenty of cities have that stigma.  I generally hate downtown chicago because of people.  I hate people 

[Irongrip400]

what fact?

however you paint it UK total deaths by guns 38
US - 48,000 give or take

our gun laws mean less people die at the hands of guns than yours. ergo our laws work better.

thats the only stat that matters to me.

You’re 48,000 is way high and then when you take suicides out of it it’s much much lower.

[Never1AShow]

It's just silly trolling, he entirely ignores the murder point and mocks religion and forgiveness just for funnin

[Coach is Back!]

You’re 48,000 is way high and then when you take suicides out of it it’s much much lower.

Exactly. That 48000 includes

Police shootings
Suicide
ND’s (Negligent Discharge)
Murder/homicides

[Never1AShow]

Exactly. That 48000 includes

Police shootings
Suicide
ND’s (Negligent Discharge)
Murder/homicides

Even accepting the figure, there are 400,000,000 guns in the US.  That means .012% of guns involved in a fatality.

48,000/400,000,000x100= .012%

Imagine 100,000 guns, now find the 12 guns in that 100,000 that will result in a fatality.

[nobody in particular]

the reason NSW has less home invasions is the amount of africans. the crime there is more gang/turf/crime monopoly between various middle eastern factions. In Victoria withj more sudanese (esp, though somalians are a factor) the stats that were covered up for years are that an african 'youth' is - 140 times more likely to be involved in a home invasion or car jacking than all other demographics combined. Recently two kids (african) were brutally hacked to death by a group of 'youths' with machetes. Turns out it was a case of mistaken identity. They have been caught and charged. All African, andmost can't be named as only two were over 18. Worse still one of the accused was involved in a machete gang fight at a local shopping centre and thanks to our leftist government andjust ice system was free as a bird because any punishent would be racist.. Our state government response was to have 'machete disposal bins' - all near police stations at a cost of $12 million where all the offenders will just hand them in. Bins were built at a costing roughly 10 times what they were worth, and lo and behold the company that got the contract to build them was  a good mate of our previous state premier (equivalent of governor for US folks) Dan Andrews, possibly the most corrupt evil piece of garbage we've ever had. Now if regular law abiding folks want a machete for gardening we have to register them at the same cost and police background check levels as for a firearm. Whatever the fuck you do don't think that more draconian laws will fixz it they just disarm the honest decent people. If arseholes don't give a fuck about the laws and penalties for miurder, they aren't going to lose sleep over gun/weapons laws.

What needs to change is attitudes about the sanctity of life. And lefties need to pull their heads out of their clackers and realise that unconditionally claiming racist if a black person commits a crime nutures an attitude of ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY and it has to end. Equal treatment also means equally open to legit criticism not just 'fuck whitey

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Plenty of of stats that make UK not look good.  Fear of crime, assault victims, drug offenses, etc.

Just because I own a gun doesn't put me in a category where I am looking forward to killing someone.  In some ways, I look at it as evening out the playing field.  I understand that you were put in a horrible position and now have adopted your view point based on that.  That does not, however, mean everyone else will be so quick to "pull the trigger" as you.  Again, never would I judge you.  I can't imagine ever having to make the decisions you felt you had to make.  I just don't agree with your outlook on guns.

thanks for an even handed measured response Krank its appreciated and your points as ever are valid. I appreciate it.

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It's just silly trolling, he entirely ignores the murder point and mocks religion and forgiveness just for funnin

its not though I am just highlighting what I view as the incompatability of religion and a moral code an dfirearm ownership. I may use piss take examples but they are still relevant, surely.

[joswift]

its not though I am just highlighting what I view as the incompatability of religion and a moral code an dfirearm ownership. I may use piss take examples but they are still relevant, surely.

morals are based on personal preferences unless you ascribe them to God

[38 returns]

I agree but christians ascribe morality to being a 'god fearing christian' and the word comes first.

[joswift]

I agree but christians ascribe morality to being a 'god fearing christian' and the word comes first.

yes, they base their moral compass on what God says.

Its an easy excuse to justify poor choices

Without the "because God says" excuse its pretty difficult to justify any moral arguments a person may have without saying "its wrong because it is"

[nobody in particular]

yes, they base their moral compass on what God says.

Its an easy excuse to justify poor choices

Without the "because God says" excuse its pretty difficult to justify any moral arguments a person may have without saying "its wrong because it is"

The Euthyphro Dilemma

[Super Nattie]

anyway charlies mrs has just said she forgives the shooter.

very christian of her.

surely that puts an end to it now.

No it does not. That is a liberal misunderstanding of Christianity.

The reason she forgave him is to unburden herself of the poison
Holding resentment is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.

Her forgiving the shooter frees her, it does not mean that what the shooter did does not matter.
Forgiving the shooter does not mean he does not deserve to face sever consequences & justice for his actions.

Hope that helps.

[38 returns]

I was clearly taking the piss

may jebus forgive me