Yes you got that wrong. Did you see the exchange? Complete opposite of what you said.
I didn't see it and for some reason don't want to watch it, that's why I asked
Just the same, it’s hopeful. A thousand steps ahead of where we were. I like the idea of technocrats being in charge of problematic Gaza with the US and Arab neighbors helping out and making sure that Gaza stays in line. As for the West Bank, my own view (an idealistic one) is not for the “aspirational state” that many say Israel will not tolerate, but something that may be an even taller challenge for Israel: one nation of Greater Israel folding together current Israel together with the West Bank (but not Gaza), a fully democratic nation with equal rights for all. My own estimate is that the consolidated Israel might be roughly two thirds Jewish to one third to 40 percent Arab. So it would be a “kind of Jewish state” but would keep everybody together where they wish to live. Big dream, but stranger things have happened.
Problem with a one state solution is that the Arabs would outbreed the Jews plus if "democratic" then they would vote in Muslims with all the resulting consequences.
I think the concept of Israel was a bad idea from the start. I sort of agree with what joswift has been saying about morals being subjective. However there are certain things that upset many or most peoples' sense of justice. Like Europeans coming into a land and kicking out the indigenous people there out of their houses and declaring that this now their house. Claiming they have some genetic or religious connection to the land some thousands of years ago and God gave it to them, it's their right to do this. And these being oftentimes secular atheist Zionist Jews too, invoking God and religion. joswift also said the only reason for establishing Israel was due to Europe not wanting them. I'm no authority on this but it doesn't sound quite right to me. As far as I know the Zionist project was started in the late 19th century. The holocaust obviously gave it more traction and allowed for it to be realized, but the aspiration and the moves began way before. Even the Nazis were trying to get the Jews to move there for a while, see the Haavara agreement. But most Jews don't want to actually go live there. Hitler was amazingly prescient IMO:
"For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."If someone is interested in the Jewish Question and especially if they enjoy entertaining "forbidden" conspiracy theories, these two recent articles I found amazing:
https://craignelsen.substack.com/p/sure-would-be-helpful-if-the-protocolshttps://www.unz.com/ishamir/gaza-revelation/Then read the
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and read the
Torat Hamelech (Royal Torah) from 2009 (!) Once absorbed, much history may never look quite the same again. Or you'll dismiss it all as pure crap, your choice
