2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[Grape Ape]

Same old talking points used to start the Iraq war and we all know how that turned out.  Well, apparently not.

You just used talking points to counter what you perceive as talking points.

WMD did not have the same level of proof as the enriched uranium.  This is why I asked the forum at the beginning if the 60% was truthful, or just a theory, because I wanted to establish a base to expand further conversation.

Now folks act like this, and the missiles, didn't exist, when they were previously established as fact.

[Grape Ape]

Iran was apparently 2 weeks away from making nukes and somehow never decided to make one. Seems to me Iran could have avoided all this damage to their infrastructure and lost lives if they just made nukes and tested them. Then the US would not have attacked them. They would be fools if they don't assemble nukes ASAP. Israel is just itching to send 100 nukes their way. Both Trump and Israeli leaders have claimed they wanted to send Iran back to the stone age and wipe out their civilization. That's a big motivation right there for Iran!

They ARE fools.

Iran made a very foolish decision to think they could negotiate with the US by showing 60% enriched uranium as them showing "restraint".

And you know the civilization comment was made towards the regime, not the people:

As a former SEAL that has sat in briefing rooms in theater, run ops against jihadist networks, and built a platform interviewing many sharp people in both operations and intelligence, you of all people should understand how strategic warfare actually works.

Despite all of that, you are sitting here and pushing posts like a cable news commentator with rimmed glasses on a communist news network, framing decisive pressure against the world's leading state sponsor of militant jihadist terrorism as "chaos" and "loss."

Let's cut through this selective timeline you laid out:

Trump issued a brutal, unmistakable warning over the Strait of Hormuz, the chokepoint Iran's regime was weaponizing to strangle global energy and fund its proxies.

That wasn't just some bluster for fun, it was quite literally combatant messaging 101 in asymmetric conflict against an enemy that only respects raw and credible power.

Jihadist Islamists like the IRGC, Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, and their ilk don't negotiate in good faith or respond to polite diplomacy, and you absolutely know this.

They only respond to negotiations from positions of strength.

If you do not negotiate that way, they will probe weaknesses, exploit hesitation, and interpret restraint as invitations to push attacks.

History from the Beirut barracks to the USS Cole to Benghazi and to decades of proxy attacks has proven that.

You've had guests that have spoken about these things, yet you act ignorant of them now?

This apocalyptic rhetoric is the only language these people understand, and you know it.

Iran blinked because of that rhetoric, floated a ceasefire tied to reopening the strait, and the administration secured a pause to lock in gains. That is not "lighting the world on fire then calling the fire department," you two bit propagandist, that is literally the way war has always worked.

It is coercion through strength: downgrade the enemy's capacity, signal willingness to escalate decisively, then offer the off ramp on your terms.

[obsidian]

They ARE fools.

Iran made a very foolish decision to think they could negotiate with the US by showing 60% enriched uranium as them showing "restraint".

And you know the civilization comment was made towards the regime, not the people:

Ending a civilization means ending everything in it. Infrastructure, schools, hospitals, energy production, food production. These are all things that makes a civilization. You cannot separate the regime from the people. The people support the leaders in Iran. Their leaders did not bomb them and kill hundreds of school girls like the US did. The US gave Saddam chemical weapons in the 80s which was used on Iran when Iraq attacked it. 200,000 Iranians died.

I agree, the Iranians were fools not to manufacture nuclear weapons. There is no point in negotiating with any US regime. The US is the Empire of Lies. There can be no negotiations with it.

Iran's argument is they wanted to show the world they are reasonable which is why they went though the motions of negotiating with the US. But they knew it was very likely that the US would not be a good faith actor. Most nations know now you cannot deal with US and any agreement can be ripped up a few years from now.

The best deterrent will be to develop missiles that can reach the US mainland and deliver 500kt - 1 mt nukes. Iran will need about 100-200 or more. Comparable to India, Pakistan, and Israel. I am still amazed that Russia or Pakistan has not provided any. Apparently 20% of Israel's population are Russian. So Putin appears to be just as cucked as Trump when it comes to them.

[Grape Ape]

Ending a civilization means ending everything in it. Infrastructure, schools, hospitals, energy production, food production. These are all things that makes a civilization. You cannot separate the regime from the people. The people support the leaders in Iran. Their leaders did not bomb them and kill hundreds of school girls like the US did. The US gave Saddam chemical weapons in the 80s which was used on Iran when Iraq attacked it. 200,000 Iranians died.

I agree, the Iranians were fools not to manufacture nuclear weapons. There is no point in negotiating with any US regime. The US is the Empire of Lies. There can be no negotiations with it.

Iran's argument is they wanted to show the world they are reasonable which is why they went though the motions of negotiating with the US. But they knew it was very likely that the US would not be a good faith actor. Most nations know now you cannot deal with US and any agreement can be ripped up a few years from now.

The best deterrent will be to develop missiles that can reach the US mainland and deliver 500kt - 1 mt nukes. Iran will need about 100-200 or more. Comparable to India, Pakistan, and Israel. I am still amazed that Russia or Pakistan has not provided any. Apparently 20% of Israel's population are Russian. So Putin appears to be just as cucked as Trump when it comes to them.

Oh yeah, they're just the best.

 

[GymnJuice]

Great answer

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTkn3o7xt/

I agree. It's a good coherent answer to the question.

I still think we're worse off now than we were before this whole mess started. I wish Trump had listened more to what Rubio and Vance were saying behind closed doors, and less to Graham and Netanyahu.

[stavios]

I just went to Dubai for 10 days.
It's crazy how nobody there seemed worried about the missile interceptions and drone attack theats.

[Grape Ape]

I just went to Dubai for 10 days.
It's crazy how nobody there seemed worried about the missile interceptions and drone attack theats.

This is consistent from what I heard from folks at my company in that region.

Just another day.

But Americans who are there but don't live in the region are freaking a bit.

[oldschoolfan]

I just went to Dubai for 10 days.
It's crazy how nobody there seemed worried about the missile interceptions and drone attack theats.

Stavios where you there on a yacht with some Instagram whores doing sick depraved shit that would make your get big bros proud

[chaos]

You are weak!! we could take you over but choose not to!

Don't worry, your southern brothers are getting it done.

[chaos]

How would the US easily take control of the Strait?

Easily.

[chaos]

Oh yeah, they're just the best.

 

It's not surprising to me the number of liberal traitors that believe whatever info Eeron puts out while doubting info put out by their own government. I don't trust our government at all, but Eeron? LMAO

[Necrosis]

Don't worry, your southern brothers are getting it done.

Getting what done? driving up the cost of living and bankrupting yourselves? didnt you just cross 100% GPD to debt? By the end of his term trump will be personally responsible for 1/3 of all the debt lol

Are you comfortable with the fact that repubs have been factually horrible for the economy by nearly every metric and have started to major wars in the modern era?

I guess they capture the manifest destiny ego inflation of the losers. The religious fundamentalist wackos who think that their god is the true god.

[Grape Ape]

It's not surprising to me the number of liberal traitors that believe whatever info Eeron puts out while doubting info put out by their own government. I don't trust our government at all, but Eeron? LMAO

Yes, Iran routinely executes their own people, but just enriched uranium to 60% to show how reasonable they could be.

[chaos]

Getting what done? driving up the cost of living and bankrupting yourselves? didnt you just cross 100% GPD to debt? By the end of his term trump will be personally responsible for 1/3 of all the debt lol

Are you comfortable with the fact that repubs have been factually horrible for the economy by nearly every metric and have started to major wars in the modern era?

I guess they capture the manifest destiny ego inflation of the losers. The religious fundamentalist wackos who think that their god is the true god.

I hope republicans win every presidential election for the next 30-40 years. I love listening to you bitches whine and cry about it.

Yes, Iran routinely executes their own people, but just enriched uranium to 60% to show how reasonable they could be.

Didn't they just recently execute a bunch of women? Where was Negrosis to speak out about that? We can only assume he was in his Canadian hovel staring at Trump on a screen digging into his leg with an empty lipstick tube.

[Grape Ape]

Didn't they just recently execute a bunch of women? Where was Negrosis to speak out about that? We can only assume he was in his Canadian hovel staring at Trump on a screen digging into his leg with an empty lipstick tube.

Not sure, but if they did, I'm sure the women in Hollywood will rally against this.

The champions of women's rights are probably organizing protests against Iran as we speak.

[chaos]

Not sure, but if they did, I'm sure the women in Hollywood will rally against this.

The champions of women's rights are probably organizing protests against Iran as we speak.

I see 14 women executed back in September so it doesn't count.

[Irongrip400]

I see 14 women executed back in September so it doesn't count.

They’re getting ready to execute another round, but since it was Trump that brought it up in the media nobody cares.

[Grape Ape]

They’re getting ready to execute another round, but since it was Trump that brought it up in the media nobody cares.

Have faith, Megan Rapinoe and Brittany Greiner are probably getting ready AT THIS MOMENT to airdrop in there themselves to stop this.

[LurkerNoMore]

So basically we are 9 weeks into a 4 week war that we won 8 weeks ago?

[Coach is Back!]

So basically we are 9 weeks into a 4 week war that we won 8 weeks ago?

Correct...for once. Except your numbers are off.

[B_B_C]

The military  battle against Iran has been won and will be won again and again but the rest of the world knows  the land of the free and the home of the brave  has lost the war and is already making new arrangements 

Mr trump didn't cause this loss  - he is building on Mr Bush’s legacy 

[LurkerNoMore]

Correct...for once. Except your numbers are off.

Only in a MAGAtard's head can numbers be off and still be correct at the same time.  See the election of 2020 as further proof.

[LurkerNoMore]

Trumpy has gone from a "14 point plan that gives us everything" to a "one page memo of him begging to end the war and claim he won."

We are currently at the stage of the failed "Operation Trust Me Bro" and continuing on with "Operation Fauxios".

[B_B_C]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/07/trump-project-freedom-saudi-arabia-strait-of-hormuz

A refusal by Saudi Arabia to allow the US to use its bases and airspace to provide a military escort for oil tankers passing through the strait of Hormuz lay behind Donald Trump’s decision to shelve the plan days after it had been launched.

Riyadh told the White House it would not allow its Prince Sultan airbase to be used to mount the operation billed as Project Freedom, which the US presented as the successor to the bombing campaign called Operation Epic Fury.

Saudi Arabia refused to drop its objections despite a personal call between the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, and Trump, NBC reported.

[oldschoolfan]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/07/trump-project-freedom-saudi-arabia-strait-of-hormuz

A refusal by Saudi Arabia to allow the US to use its bases and airspace to provide a military escort for oil tankers passing through the strait of Hormuz lay behind Donald Trump’s decision to shelve the plan days after it had been launched.

Riyadh told the White House it would not allow its Prince Sultan airbase to be used to mount the operation billed as Project Freedom, which the US presented as the successor to the bombing campaign called Operation Epic Fury.

Saudi Arabia refused to drop its objections despite a personal call between the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, and Trump, NBC reported.

what did that idiot trump and his lap dog hesgerth expect this is costing the saudis lots of money and at the end of the day , it is all about money