2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[Griffith]

I don't care if it's a "bad deal," if Iran gets billions in frozen funds, or if they control the strait. If it means we are finally out of there, it’s a win for American citizens and taxpayers.

And the entire world has to be dragged into this stupid bullshit and pay the price because the US got duped by Israel.

[herne]

[LurkerNoMore]

Hahahaha.  Iran is now saying that contrary to Trumpy's claims, the Strait is not open free of tolls.

How much are we going to pay them?       And they keep their nuclear dust?       

Can't wait to see how much worse than Obama's agreement this will be.  A complete humiliation of the called "deal maker".

[GymnJuice]

Hahahaha.  Iran is now saying that contrary to Trumpy's claims, the Strait is not open free of tolls.

How much are we going to pay them?       And they keep their nuclear dust?       

Can't wait to see how much worse than Obama's agreement this will be.  A complete humiliation of the called "deal maker".

I actually don't care if Iran gets to charge tolls after this deal. It doesn't hurt me personally, and it doesn't really hurt the US either. Thanks to fracking, we're now a net exporter of oil, and we don't rely on that strait for our own shipments. The tolls will mostly be paid by Europe and China, since they're the big buyers. If anything, this ends up hurting Israel, Iran's main enemy, and probably Iran's Arab adversaries too. Overall, it feels like a pretty neutral concession for the US if you look at it without emotion.

[LurkerNoMore]

I actually don't care if Iran gets to charge tolls after this deal. It doesn't hurt me personally, and it doesn't really hurt the US either. Thanks to fracking, we're now a net exporter of oil, and we don't rely on that strait for our own shipments. The tolls will mostly be paid by Europe and China, since they're the big buyers. If anything, this ends up hurting Israel, Iran's main enemy, and probably Iran's Arab adversaries too. Overall, it feels like a pretty neutral concession for the US if you look at it without emotion.

Naw we getting fleeced even more.  This is now being reported :

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JD Vance went on CBS News and tried to spin Donald Trump's Iran deal. Instead, he CONFIRMED exactly how badly Trump got fleeced.
CBS correspondent Ed O'Keefe asked Vance point-blank whether Iran would have access to a $300 BILLION reconstruction fund. Vance's answer? Essentially yes — "funded by the Gulf Coast coalition so long as they honor their end of the obligation."

So let's do the math that the Trump administration desperately doesn't want you to do. Let's compare Trump's Iran deal to the one Republicans spent a DECADE calling the worst deal in American history — Barack Obama's.

OBAMA'S IRAN DEAL:
• $1.7 billion in unfrozen Iranian assets
• In exchange for a 98% reduction in Iran's uranium stockpile
• And strict limits capping enrichment at 3.7%

TRUMP'S IRAN DEAL:
• $24 BILLION in unfrozen assets and cash
• A $300 BILLION reconstruction fund
• Lifted sanctions
• In exchange for an "opened Strait" under Iran and Oman's control

Read those numbers again. Trump is handing Iran roughly FOURTEEN TIMES the unfrozen cash Obama did — plus a $300 billion reconstruction windfall — after starting a war that nobody wanted, spiking gas prices, and killing the existing ceasefire because he found negotiations "boring." AND the deal just kicks what happens with Iran's uranium stockpile to future negotiations!

Republicans screamed for YEARS that Obama "gave Iran billions" and "appeased the mullahs." They called his deal treasonous. They tore it up. And now their guy is giving Iran an order of magnitude MORE money for a far weaker arrangement.

But here's the part Vance accidentally revealed. He warned that Iranian hardliners would "over-emphasize the benefits that Iran gets while under-emphasizing all the things they have to concede."

That's PROJECTION. Because it's the TRUMP administration that's been over-emphasizing the "wins" while burying the $24 billion, the $300 billion fund, the lifted sanctions, and the fact that the strategic Strait would fall under Iranian and Omani control. Vance is accusing Iran of doing EXACTLY what his own administration is doing — hiding the real terms of the deal from the public.

The man who promised to be tougher than Obama on Iran just handed Tehran the biggest payday in its history — after dragging America into a war first.  $1.7 billion versus $324 billion. That's the difference between Obama's "terrible" deal and Trump's "great" one.
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[GymnJuice]

Naw we getting fleeced even more.  This is now being reported :

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JD Vance went on CBS News and tried to spin Donald Trump's Iran deal. Instead, he CONFIRMED exactly how badly Trump got fleeced.
CBS correspondent Ed O'Keefe asked Vance point-blank whether Iran would have access to a $300 BILLION reconstruction fund. Vance's answer? Essentially yes — "funded by the Gulf Coast coalition so long as they honor their end of the obligation."

So let's do the math that the Trump administration desperately doesn't want you to do. Let's compare Trump's Iran deal to the one Republicans spent a DECADE calling the worst deal in American history — Barack Obama's.

OBAMA'S IRAN DEAL:
• $1.7 billion in unfrozen Iranian assets
• In exchange for a 98% reduction in Iran's uranium stockpile
• And strict limits capping enrichment at 3.7%

TRUMP'S IRAN DEAL:
• $24 BILLION in unfrozen assets and cash
• A $300 BILLION reconstruction fund
• Lifted sanctions
• In exchange for an "opened Strait" under Iran and Oman's control

Read those numbers again. Trump is handing Iran roughly FOURTEEN TIMES the unfrozen cash Obama did — plus a $300 billion reconstruction windfall — after starting a war that nobody wanted, spiking gas prices, and killing the existing ceasefire because he found negotiations "boring." AND the deal just kicks what happens with Iran's uranium stockpile to future negotiations!

Republicans screamed for YEARS that Obama "gave Iran billions" and "appeased the mullahs." They called his deal treasonous. They tore it up. And now their guy is giving Iran an order of magnitude MORE money for a far weaker arrangement.

But here's the part Vance accidentally revealed. He warned that Iranian hardliners would "over-emphasize the benefits that Iran gets while under-emphasizing all the things they have to concede."

That's PROJECTION. Because it's the TRUMP administration that's been over-emphasizing the "wins" while burying the $24 billion, the $300 billion fund, the lifted sanctions, and the fact that the strategic Strait would fall under Iranian and Omani control. Vance is accusing Iran of doing EXACTLY what his own administration is doing — hiding the real terms of the deal from the public.

The man who promised to be tougher than Obama on Iran just handed Tehran the biggest payday in its history — after dragging America into a war first.  $1.7 billion versus $324 billion. That's the difference between Obama's "terrible" deal and Trump's "great" one.
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As a neutral bystander, an American watching from the other side of the globe, I’ve been consistent from the beginning that this isn’t our fight, and we shouldn’t be involved in the first place.

That said, even if Iran receives more money under this deal, it doesn’t hurt me personally as long as the funds aren’t coming from American taxpayers or resources. If Gulf countries want to pay Iran billions, that’s their decision. Why should that concern me?

[Griffith]

As a neutral bystander, an American watching from the other side of the globe, I’ve been consistent from the beginning that this isn’t our fight, and we shouldn’t be involved in the first place.

That said, even if Iran receives more money under this deal, it doesn’t hurt me personally as long as the funds aren’t coming from American taxpayers or resources. If Gulf countries want to pay Iran billions, that’s their decision. Why should that concern me?

And that summarises everything.

[chaos]

Isreal said they will continue alone of the US signs out.

[Irongrip400]

Isreal said they will continue alone of the US signs out.

Please let this happen. I’m sick and tired of the US being dragged into this shit. Israel is big enough to do this shit on their own, so let them.

[Rambone]

Isreal said they will continue alone of the US signs out.

Would never happen. Too many politicians blackmailed

[Van_Bilderass]

Isreal said they will continue alone of the US signs out.

Israel is big enough to do this shit on their own, so let them.

Not really. In reality they can't do anything without the US, they couldn't even have done what they did in Gaza without US weapons. And the US won't ever stop the weapons supplies.

There's this constant debate on who is the dog and who is the tail wagging the dog. This time Rubio and other officials immediately blamed Israel for the necessity of the US stepping in, but...

From a US policy paper from 2009! It actually had a chapter named "Leave it to Bibi" LOL

[Necrosis]

Naw we getting fleeced even more.  This is now being reported :

---
JD Vance went on CBS News and tried to spin Donald Trump's Iran deal. Instead, he CONFIRMED exactly how badly Trump got fleeced.
CBS correspondent Ed O'Keefe asked Vance point-blank whether Iran would have access to a $300 BILLION reconstruction fund. Vance's answer? Essentially yes — "funded by the Gulf Coast coalition so long as they honor their end of the obligation."

So let's do the math that the Trump administration desperately doesn't want you to do. Let's compare Trump's Iran deal to the one Republicans spent a DECADE calling the worst deal in American history — Barack Obama's.

OBAMA'S IRAN DEAL:
• $1.7 billion in unfrozen Iranian assets
• In exchange for a 98% reduction in Iran's uranium stockpile
• And strict limits capping enrichment at 3.7%

TRUMP'S IRAN DEAL:
• $24 BILLION in unfrozen assets and cash
• A $300 BILLION reconstruction fund
• Lifted sanctions
• In exchange for an "opened Strait" under Iran and Oman's control

Read those numbers again. Trump is handing Iran roughly FOURTEEN TIMES the unfrozen cash Obama did — plus a $300 billion reconstruction windfall — after starting a war that nobody wanted, spiking gas prices, and killing the existing ceasefire because he found negotiations "boring." AND the deal just kicks what happens with Iran's uranium stockpile to future negotiations!

Republicans screamed for YEARS that Obama "gave Iran billions" and "appeased the mullahs." They called his deal treasonous. They tore it up. And now their guy is giving Iran an order of magnitude MORE money for a far weaker arrangement.

But here's the part Vance accidentally revealed. He warned that Iranian hardliners would "over-emphasize the benefits that Iran gets while under-emphasizing all the things they have to concede."

That's PROJECTION. Because it's the TRUMP administration that's been over-emphasizing the "wins" while burying the $24 billion, the $300 billion fund, the lifted sanctions, and the fact that the strategic Strait would fall under Iranian and Omani control. Vance is accusing Iran of doing EXACTLY what his own administration is doing — hiding the real terms of the deal from the public.

The man who promised to be tougher than Obama on Iran just handed Tehran the biggest payday in its history — after dragging America into a war first.  $1.7 billion versus $324 billion. That's the difference between Obama's "terrible" deal and Trump's "great" one.
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Obama is lightyears more intelligent then trump. Anyone with a brain can see that. Of course it was always going to be worse, he is a moron. All of his ideas are dumb and have led to nothing but shit.

This article doesn't mention the money spent on bombing and the war, using up a ton of missiles which they are now requesting 500 billion from tax payers.

It's a disaster, much like this presidency. The world leaders must be in awe when they have to deal with this moronic conman.

[LurkerNoMore]

Isreal said they will continue alone of the US signs out.

Only with OUR money.  OUR weapons.  OUR help.  OUR burdening the weight from their shoulders.

[Donny]

Isreal said they will continue alone of the US signs out.

Won´t happen they own Trump
Israel has the best secret service & know everything about Trump
they have the Epstein files

[LurkerNoMore]

If this plan is so great, why does he have to wait until Friday to release it?      This is the Epstein files part 2.

[Humble Narcissist]

Isreal said they will continue alone of the US signs out.

Fuck Israel. They have been the problem in the Middle East all along.

[LurkerNoMore]

Fuck Israel. They have been the problem in the Middle East all along.

This is true.

[herne]

[Van_Bilderass]

Fuck Israel. They have been the problem in the Middle East all along.

This is true.

Seems most young people have come around to this view but the question is what good does it do? You have basically one person in congress going against the uniparty (certainly a uniparty when it comes to Israel). I think Massie is now calling for declassifying the USS Liberty documents. Israel just had to make him lose through insane funding from Israel first donors, very important!

Nancy Pelosi said what the uniparty feels:

"If the US capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain, is our commitment to Israel".

 U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee:

"Without Israel, there would not be an America. We owe our very existence to what happened in this land."


Now Trump is saying:

"If it weren't for the United States of America, with ME, Israel would not exist right now.

Israel would have been blown off the face of the Earth."

It doesn't indicate any type of split with the idea of Israel. But it will probably irritate the Mark Levin MAGAists.

[Coach is Back!]

I haven’t read the latest propaganda and conspiracy theories on this thread as of late. Are you pretending you know all of the details of this agreement? Lol

[Necrosis]

I haven’t read the latest propaganda and conspiracy theories on this thread as of late. Are you pretending you know all of the details of this agreement? Lol

can you admit it was a war yet or have they told you that you can't use that word?

[Coach is Back!]

can you admit it was a war yet or have they told you that you can't use that word?

Are you going to admit I was right about everything?

[Van_Bilderass]

Are you going to admit I was right about everything?

Not a rhetorical question: what have you been right about and conspiracy theorists like me have been wrong about? I realize you probably directed this to Lurker.

Not necessarily directed at you Coach, just general questions and wonderings: some say the US is self sufficient in oil and energy and this war was overall beneficial for the US in that respect, and that the US is a net exporter or whatever. But on the other hand several US oil producers have warned that the oil reserves are the lowest they've ever been historically and if the Strait issue doesn't get solved like yesterday there's going to be trouble for the US; they've given disaster dates like July 4th. Also, Trump also let Iran sell oil at some point during this war because it was going cause severe problems otherwise. Economists are saying the oil price doesn't reflect the supply and this is also problematic in the near future. Everyone says Trump has been manipulating the market with his various false announcements. I base these thoughts on among other sources the vids I've watched on Mario Nawfal's X feed. The guests come from all political leanings and ideologies. https://x.com/MarioNawfal

[Griffith]

Seems most young people have come around to this view but the question is what good does it do? You have basically one person in congress going against the uniparty (certainly a uniparty when it comes to Israel). I think Massie is now calling for declassifying the USS Liberty documents. Israel just had to make him lose through insane funding from Israel first donors, very important!

Nancy Pelosi said what the uniparty feels:

"If the US capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain, is our commitment to Israel".

 U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee:

"Without Israel, there would not be an America. We owe our very existence to what happened in this land."


Now Trump is saying:

"If it weren't for the United States of America, with ME, Israel would not exist right now.

Israel would have been blown off the face of the Earth."

It doesn't indicate any type of split with the idea of Israel. But it will probably irritate the Mark Levin MAGAists.

And the influence they have on the US is apparently a 'conspiracy theory'.

[Van_Bilderass]

Axios seems to be a favorite news outlet of Trump's and where the admin often leaks. He's regularly in contact with one of the writers here, David Barak.

Breaking down the billions Iran could receive under Trump's deal.


The still-secret terms of President Trump's Iran deal have triggered a furious debate over how much Tehran stands to gain financially — and how soon.

The big picture: The deal is expected to allow Iran to sell oil freely during a 60-day negotiating window, while opening the door to broader sanctions relief, access to frozen funds and a potential $300 billion rebuilding investment fund if a final nuclear agreement is reached.

Friction point: Critics argue that after shredding the 2015 nuclear deal in his first term, Trump is now following the same playbook — unfreezing cash in exchange for nuclear concessions — while potentially going a step further with the rebuilding fund.

The White House says the discourse is being poisoned by Iranian "misinformation," and that its "pay for performance" structure is the best way to achieve the strongest-possible deal.

But U.S. officials acknowledge that at least some benefits will flow to Iran upfront.

State of play: The memorandum of understanding (MOU) set to be formally signed on Friday is designed to launch 60 days of negotiations on a more detailed nuclear agreement.

U.S. officials acknowledge it's uncertain whether a long-term nuclear deal will be reached, but argue the economic benefits for Iran depend on it.
In the meantime, the dearth of details about what's actually in the MOU has left space for a swirl of claims that billions of dollars are already flowing to Tehran.
In response to questions for this story, a U.S. official told Axios: "This is a performance-based agreement. Iran can only access any benefits of the MOU if they abide by all of the points they agreed to – including no nuclear weapon, neutralizing its enriched material, and not interfering with the free flow of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz."


Here's a breakdown of the financial incentives at play.


What Iran gets right away

A U.S. official said the deal includes temporary sanctions waivers allowing Iran to sell oil as long as talks continue — a potentially massive revenue stream as the punishing U.S. naval blockade is lifted.

Iranian state media have claimed Tehran will also get immediate access to frozen funds simply for signing. U.S. officials adamantly deny that.

A senior U.S. official said Iran could receive "gestures" — sanctions relief or frozen fund access — in exchange for reciprocal gestures of compliance.

Reports of side deals in which Gulf states such as the UAE and Qatar could unfreeze Iranian funds they hold were dismissed by a senior U.S. official as "preposterous."

Still, the MOU leaves room for interpretation: The U.S. "undertakes to make [the frozen funds] fully available for use ... upon the implementation of this MOU," according to a source familiar with the text.

What Iran gets under a nuclear deal

If a final nuclear agreement is reached, the U.S. has committed under the MOU to lift all sanctions against Iran on an agreed-upon schedule, according to a source's description of the text.
The White House says any deal must include retrieval of Iran's highly enriched uranium, a moratorium on future enrichment and an accompanying inspections regime.

A senior administration official claimed the U.S. expects to know within two to three weeks whether Iran is serious — and that financial benefits would be limited if it isn't.

The $300 billion fund

One of the most politically explosive provisions is a potential rebuilding fund for Iran.

The MOU says any final deal will include a "definitive and mutually agreed plan" for a fund supporting Iran's "reconstruction and economic development," according to a source familiar with the text.

Sources familiar with the discussions said the "prosperity fund" idea came from Qatar and has been discussed with the U.S. and Iran for several weeks. The initiative envisions private sector investment from Gulf states and east Asian countries.

Vice President Vance told Fox News the money would not come from U.S. taxpayers and would come into play only if Iran permanently ends its nuclear program, gives up its enriched uranium and allows nuclear inspections.

What to watch: Trump said once again on Tuesday that the text of the MOU will be released, though likely not until it is formally signed on Friday.