How about those job numbers?

[Necrosis]

Hey guys!!

How about those job numbers

what do you think happened there?

Dont think there has been a job loss for a 9 month period for like 40 years or more, pretty impressive.

[IroNat]

Loss of jobs due to AI perhaps.

[chaos]

Hey guys!!

How about those job numbers

what do you think happened there?

Dont think there has been a job loss for a 9 month period for like 40 years or more, pretty impressive.

Talk to your prime minister, maybe he could tell you what he did with those jobs.

[Necrosis]

Talk to your prime minister, maybe he could tell you what he did with those jobs.

what do you think about the jobs number in the US?

[chaos]

what do you think about the jobs number in the US?

Doesn't look good does it?

[Necrosis]

Doesn't look good does it?

I concur.

What do you think the cause is?

[chaos]

I concur.

What do you think the cause is?

Hell if I know. If this shit in the middle east drags on several of the industries I deal with will get busy fast.

[Grape Ape]

I concur.

What do you think the cause is?

Here's the key sector/industry breakdown for February 2026 changes (in thousands of jobs, seasonally adjusted, based on BLS data and consistent reporting across sources):

Health care: -28,000 (largely due to strike activity, e.g., at Kaiser Permanente affecting ~30,000+ workers during the survey period; some sources note offices of physicians specifically lost ~37,000)
Manufacturing: -12,000
Information (including tech/media): -11,000 (continuing a trend of ~5,000 average monthly losses over the prior year)
Federal government: -10,000 (part of a longer decline of ~330,000 since October 2024 peak)
Construction: -11,000 (weather-sensitive, impacted by cold snap)
Transportation and warehousing: -11,000 (e.g., losses in couriers/messengers partially offset by air transport gains)
Mining and logging (including oil/gas): -2,000 (small decline)

Other major sectors (e.g., retail trade, wholesale trade, financial activities, professional/business services, leisure/hospitality, other services) showed little net change or were not highlighted as significant movers in the report.
Note that health care's loss was temporary and strike-related (workers returned in subsequent months), and some analysts viewed parts of the report as distorted by one-off events rather than broad weakness. For the full official details, refer to the BLS Employment Situation report (Table B-1 for detailed industry changes). The private sector accounted for most of the net loss (~-86,000), with government contributing the rest.

Manufacturing would be the concern, followed by tech sector, which could be AI related.

Other stuff looks temporary......we'll see.

[Humble Narcissist]

Loss of jobs due to AI perhaps.

It is only just the beginning.

[Necrosis]

Manufacturing would be the concern, followed by tech sector, which could be AI related.

Other stuff looks temporary......we'll see.

For sure, this doesn't really hint at the etiology per se. The fact that manufacturing is decreasing is counter point to the policies enacted. I also would imagine AI is going to fuck things up royally

[Grape Ape]

For sure, this doesn't really hint at the etiology per se. The fact that manufacturing is decreasing is counter point to the policies enacted. I also would imagine AI is going to fuck things up royally

Manufacturing will not come back instantly.  Promise of domestic investment takes time - stuff has to be built, repurposed, etc.

But also, this happened in Jan:

The January 2026 jobs report showed a resilient U.S. labor market, with nonfarm payrolls increasing by 130,000 and the unemployment rate dipping to 4.3%. The private sector drove growth with 172,000 new jobs, led by significant gains in health care (+82,000) and construction (+33,000), despite government employment shrinking.

I get folks want to jump on anything that points to Trump=bad, but we'll have to see where it goes.  I've said from the beginning, Trump is betting on growth from 2026 onward, so I have to see how that plays out.

But it doesn't matter, he may very well have closed the border, gotten rid of Maduro and the ayatollah, increased domestic production, etc......and they'll still criticize everyting.

NYT day two headline on the Iran strikes confirms that the national media will always portray most of what he does in a negative light.

[Necrosis]

Manufacturing will not come back instantly.  Promise of domestic investment takes time - stuff has to be built, repurposed, etc.

But also, this happened in Jan:

I get folks want to jump on anything that points to Trump=bad, but we'll have to see where it goes.  I've said from the beginning, Trump is betting on growth from 2026 onward, so I have to see how that plays out.

But it doesn't matter, he may very well have closed the border, gotten rid of Maduro and the ayatollah, increased domestic production, etc......and they'll still criticize everyting.

NYT day two headline on the Iran strikes confirms that the national media will always portray most of what he does in a negative light.

Yes it will take far longer then he has planned and thus won't happen. Why would any business operate with clearly moving goalposts,the countries highest court just ruled it was illegal for example. Manufacturing isn't coming back because its simply not cheaper.

His tariffs weren't reciprocal and certainly not an emergency in any fashion or definition of the word.

Iran is silly imo and has the potential to wreck the economy. Why are they attacking Iran? didnt they wipe out the program as they stated only a few months ago?

Whatever way we cut it, he has not been good for the economy. The argument that Biden caused inflation is a not taking into account that the world also say inflation skyrocket, if it was a singular phenomenon, sure, but there were extraneous circumstances. The recovery would be more telling then the increase since everywhere saw inflation from supply bottlenecks etc.

Do you support tariffs?

[chaos]

Yes it will take far longer then he has planned and thus won't happen. Why would any business operate with clearly moving goalposts,the countries highest court just ruled it was illegal for example. Manufacturing isn't coming back because its simply not cheaper.

His tariffs weren't reciprocal and certainly not an emergency in any fashion or definition of the word.

Iran is silly imo and has the potential to wreck the economy. Why are they attacking Iran? didnt they wipe out the program as they stated only a few months ago?

Whatever way we cut it, he has not been good for the economy. The argument that Biden caused inflation is a not taking into account that the world also say inflation skyrocket, if it was a singular phenomenon, sure, but there were extraneous circumstances. The recovery would be more telling then the increase since everywhere saw inflation from supply bottlenecks etc.

Do you support tariffs?

What are the moving goalposts for businesses?
Manufacturing is not only driven by inflation but corporate greed and large companies that have to impress their investors with record profits every quarter. Nothing to do with tariffs or who is president. Government regulations also drive the cost of manufacturing higher in the US. For example, at any time I can find material from Pakistan or India at a fraction of the cost of material from the US. Why is that?

I know we all like to sit here and bash the current president but there is a larger picture here that has impacted our country's manufacturing sector and it's the government overreach and oppressive nature mixed with greedy corporations. Trump would be better off trying to relieve some of the stricter guidelines on manufacturing than applying tariffs.

[Grape Ape]

Yes it will take far longer then he has planned and thus won't happen. Why would any business operate with clearly moving goalposts,the countries highest court just ruled it was illegal for example. Manufacturing isn't coming back because its simply not cheaper.

His tariffs weren't reciprocal and certainly not an emergency in any fashion or definition of the word.

Iran is silly imo and has the potential to wreck the economy. Why are they attacking Iran? didnt they wipe out the program as they stated only a few months ago?

Whatever way we cut it, he has not been good for the economy. The argument that Biden caused inflation is a not taking into account that the world also say inflation skyrocket, if it was a singular phenomenon, sure, but there were extraneous circumstances. The recovery would be more telling then the increase since everywhere saw inflation from supply bottlenecks etc.

Do you support tariffs?

I'm not on board with "thus it won't happen".  Fixing this issue is going to be a long process.

As for "supporting tariffs", that's a broad statement.  If they are reciprocal, sure.  If they are used as a negotiation too, sure.  If they fuck up stuff long term, no,  All I know is China has a 100-150 year plan to take over everything, and we let them get too comfortable getting their hooks in here, and getting all the production over there.  So reversing that course is going to be painful.

[Necrosis]

What are the moving goalposts for businesses?
Manufacturing is not only driven by inflation but corporate greed and large companies that have to impress their investors with record profits every quarter. Nothing to do with tariffs or who is president. Government regulations also drive the cost of manufacturing higher in the US. For example, at any time I can find material from Pakistan or India at a fraction of the cost of material from the US. Why is that?

I know we all like to sit here and bash the current president but there is a larger picture here that has impacted our country's manufacturing sector and it's the government overreach and oppressive nature mixed with greedy corporations. Trump would be better off trying to relieve some of the stricter guidelines on manufacturing than applying tariffs.

He has changed his tariffs based on whims multiple times. This would make planning impossible and isnt good for business. He said they were one thing on liberation day, quickly altered course, put them on china, took them off, put them on the canada, took them off, change the numbers, the supreme court rules he can't, so he increases the tariffs by 5% across the board.

You can't act like regulations are en masse a bad thing, you can't be destroying the environment, or making products that are hazardous to folks. Places without regulations clearly can out compete the US and other law abiding nations but that's not a bad thing in toto, perhaps if we just zone in on economic outputs but I would prefer kids not working in factories and cities being swamps like some Indian municipalities.

There is a balance there of course.

There is a better way to do this, tariffs aren't it and the way he is going about this, as an extension of his ego is causing countries to actively avoid the US. Isolationist policies don't work, never have.

I think you are beginning to see the consequences of this.

[Necrosis]

I'm not on board with "thus it won't happen".  Fixing this issue is going to be a long process.

As for "supporting tariffs", that's a broad statement.  If they are reciprocal, sure.  If they are used as a negotiation too, sure.  If they fuck up stuff long term, no,  All I know is China has a 100-150 year plan to take over everything, and we let them get too comfortable getting their hooks in here, and getting all the production over there.  So reversing that course is going to be painful.

But I don't think you can reverse course unless you play by the same rules. The cure is worse then the problem. Instead of focusing on bringing back manufacturing for cheap goods etc focus on technology, innovation etc.. nobody wants cheap plastic toys made in the US, you simply can't compete, it's too late in the cycle.

I suppose I am asking if you support broad tariffs across the board like Trump has done.

They weren't reciprocal when he announced the numbers, thats clear. Negotiation, perhaps but I don't think you guys have many actual trade (comprehensive) deals that have been made, just skeletons and singular pieces.

[LurkerNoMore]

The numbers on those numbers...

92,000 lost.

4.4% Unemployment Rate.

And if you think that is bad, just consider that February wasn't even a regular month.  I am sure if it had another 3 days like some months, the numbers would have been worse.

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There is no good news here. In fact, during Joe Biden’s four years in the White House, there wasn’t a single month in which the U.S. economy actually lost jobs. It’s become far more common lately: The economy not only shed jobs in February, it also lost jobs in two of the last three months, three of the last five months and five of the last nine months.

All told, Donald Trump has been in the White House for 14 months, and during that time the cumulative total is 150,000 jobs. Over the 14 months preceding the Republican president’s return to power, the American economy added 1.74 million jobs.

That’s a stunning reversal, which the Republican administration has made no credible effort to explain or justify.

On the contrary, Trump publicly insists on a near-daily basis that the U.S. currently has the single greatest economy in the nation’s history. The latest employment report clearly proves otherwise.
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[chaos]

Sounds like Joe Bidens labor dept was blowing smoke up everyones ass and now that we're getting real numbers we can see the truth.

[LurkerNoMore]

Sounds like Joe Bidens labor dept was blowing smoke up everyones ass and now that we're getting real numbers we can see the truth.

Or maybe the truth is Trumpy's economy just sucks.  Yeah, that's a more likely scenario.

[Necrosis]

Sounds like Joe Bidens labor dept was blowing smoke up everyones ass and now that we're getting real numbers we can see the truth.

You can't be serious lololololol

This is the only possible cope though.

Trump is going to destroy your country. He is wrecking the economy, wrecking the worlds image of the US and literally trying to undermine the law in the country.

He has multiple accusers in the epstein files, a 13 year old who has been verified to be an actual person and a 16 year old who claimed epstein was on the phone when he was forcing her to rub and tug him.

My guy, the dude is a full on narc, its plain as day, do you know what these people are like?

His cabinet is full of retards. Kristi Noem is out here stealing money point blank, kash patel using a jet for his pleasure, trump is golfing and taking more vacations that any president, he doubled joe biden in his first term.

Then you have trump outright stealing money from people- his net worth has exploded, he is meme coin rug pulling on both his and melanias coin, actively doing insider trading hahahaha

He is in it for himself, how isn't that obvious. If he does anything good its by accident.

Put grandpa out to pasture and move vance to the lead position or rubio ffs.

[chaos]

Trump is going to destroy your country.

You people have been saying that for a decade, the other side has been saying that about you guys for decades, yet here we are.

[Necrosis]

You people have been saying that for a decade, the other side has been saying that about you guys for decades, yet here we are.

Again I am centrist. Trump can't articulate a single substantive thought on policy or anything else, he goes by vibes. It's hilarious.

I think he is excessively corrupt which is the key issue here. I don't think right or left policies which are checked reasonably will cause issues that reach catastrophic levels per se. I think a con-man that surrounds himself with corrupt sycophants could possibly do it.

If these job numbers continue the trend and its not occurring in the broader global ecosystem it's clearly policy generated and will only continue. There is definitely a critical mass that could be reached.

This war has some serious negative potential as well.

[Grape Ape]

You can't be serious lololololol

This is the only possible cope though.

Trump is going to destroy your country. He is wrecking the economy, wrecking the worlds image of the US and literally trying to undermine the law in the country.

He has multiple accusers in the epstein files, a 13 year old who has been verified to be an actual person and a 16 year old who claimed epstein was on the phone when he was forcing her to rub and tug him.

My guy, the dude is a full on narc, its plain as day, do you know what these people are like?

His cabinet is full of retards. Kristi Noem is out here stealing money point blank, kash patel using a jet for his pleasure, trump is golfing and taking more vacations that any president, he doubled joe biden in his first term.

Then you have trump outright stealing money from people- his net worth has exploded, he is meme coin rug pulling on both his and melanias coin, actively doing insider trading hahahaha

He is in it for himself, how isn't that obvious. If he does anything good its by accident.

Put grandpa out to pasture and move vance to the lead position or rubio ffs.

LOL.

He is going to do nothing of the sort.

First off, all the Epstein files have produced was Trump being exonerated.  I know there always another batch of releases just around the corner that are going to "get him" but I will believe it when I see it, and right now I do not.  It's never been his M.O.

As for a cabinet full of retards, please.  Bessent is straight up financial assassin and brilliant (well, maybe not straight).  Rubio has been awesome.  Every pick will not knock it out of the park.  But it's hilarious, you guys will rail against Noem and want her fired, then when he does it, he's "scrambling"....

[LurkerNoMore]

LOL.

He is going to do nothing of the sort.

First off, all the Epstein files have produced was Trump being exonerated.  I know there always another batch of releases just around the corner that are going to "get him" but I will believe it when I see it, and right now I do not.  It's never been his M.O.

As for a cabinet full of retards, please.  Bessent is straight up financial assassin and brilliant (well, maybe not straight).  Rubio has been awesome.  Every pick will not knock it out of the park.  But it's hilarious, you guys will rail against Noem and want her fired, then when he does it, he's "scrambling"....

Any links to your claims of the two Iranian assassination attempts?

[chaos]

Again I am centrist.

Stopped reading here. Until you are honest with yourself, how can we expect honest discourse with each other?