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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2026, 04:07:49 PM »
What was the underlying crime supporting the 34 felonies?

I voted for Trump twice you lying zombie.

And you sound like this guy.   :o

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Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty... even when a lot of other folks think they are indeed guilty or they simply do not like someone and wish they would be found guilty of something. I admit that I am guilty of believing where there is smoke there is fire.

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2026, 04:21:08 PM »
Tit for tat, looks like Florida is next. :)
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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2026, 04:50:20 PM »
Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty... even when a lot of other folks think they are indeed guilty or they simply do not like someone and wish they would be found guilty of something. I admit that I am guilty of believing where there is smoke there is fire.

I don't forget that.  I just know that the presumption of innocence applies to a courtroom, not a person's opinion.  Nothing wrong with forming an opinion before someone is actually convicted (unless you're sitting on a jury).  And as we saw with OJ, the system doesn't always get it right. 

I agree with the smoke/fire thing.  Things usually are as they appear to be, the simplest explanation is typically the best, etc.  But not always. 

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2026, 05:08:34 PM »
I don't forget that.  I just know that the presumption of innocence applies to a courtroom, not a person's opinion.  Nothing wrong with forming an opinion before someone is actually convicted (unless you're sitting on a jury).  And as we saw with OJ, the system doesn't always get it right. 

I agree with the smoke/fire thing.  Things usually are as they appear to be; the simplest explanation is typically the best, etc.  But not always.

People's opinions and perceptions greatly impact whether we think someone is guilty or innocent. Whether wrong or right, juries are made up of regular people, people who, like it or not, have opinions. Jurors are strictly instructed to keep an open mind and not form an opinion or discuss the case until all evidence, arguments, and instructions are presented. Not everyone follows those instructions even when they say or even believe they have. Human nature prevails.

As for smoke and fire, more smoke often means a bigger fire. How many fires does the average person face in their lifetime? Some folks are on the hot seat more than others. It is only natural to wonder why they are.

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2026, 05:15:11 PM »
People's opinions and perceptions greatly impact whether we think someone is guilty or innocent. Whether wrong or right, juries are made up of regular people, people who, like it or not, have opinions. Jurors are strictly instructed to keep an open mind and not form an opinion or discuss the case until all evidence, arguments, and instructions are presented. Not everyone follows those instructions even when they say or even believe they have. Human nature prevails.

As for smoke and fire, more smoke often means a bigger fire. How many fires does the average person face in their lifetime? Some folks are on the hot seat more than others. It is only natural to wonder why they are.

People who are not serving on a jury have no obligation to refrain from forming an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence. 

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« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2026, 05:17:58 PM »
People who are not serving on a jury have no obligation to refrain from forming an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence.

This is obvious. Did I say otherwise?

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2026, 05:26:18 PM »
This is obvious. Did I say otherwise?

I'm not sure what you're saying exactly, because you appear to be saying people should not have an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence before they are actually convicted.  If you're not saying that, then ok, I accept that.

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« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2026, 05:42:10 PM »
I'm not sure what you're saying exactly, because you appear to be saying people should not have an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence before they are actually convicted.  If you're not saying that, then ok, I accept that.

I was not saying that at all. In fact, I believe the reality is that the opposite is true. For as long as I can recall, people I know have (sometimes strong) opinions about pretty much everything, including someone's guilt or innocence. However, many people do not qualify their opinions. And yet, we do tend to justify them.

My opinions about Trump are influenced by my dislike of the man. And I disliked him long before he was a political figure.

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2026, 05:49:22 PM »
I was not saying that at all. In fact, I believe the reality is that the opposite is true. For as long as I can recall, people I know have (sometimes strong) opinions about pretty much everything, including someone's guilt or innocence. However, many people do not qualify their opinions. And yet, we do tend to justify them.

My opinions about Trump are influenced by my dislike of the man. And I disliked him long before he was a political figure.

I thought Trump was a clown when he first entered the race.  I despised him.  You can read my posts about him on the board.  But three things happened.  First, I did what Hillary Clinton lied and said we should do:  gave him an open mind and opportunity to lead.  Second, I realized I had been duped by the media by things like mocking a reporter's disability.  Third, I focused on what he actually did instead of what he said on social media.   

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2026, 05:50:23 PM »
Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty... even when a lot of other folks think they are indeed guilty or they simply do not like someone and wish they would be found guilty of something. I admit that I am guilty of believing where there is smoke there is fire.


Oh yeah sure Except when it comes to Joe Biden  -  Hypocrite. 

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #85 on: April 27, 2026, 06:06:54 PM »

Oh yeah sure Except when it comes to Joe Biden  -  Hypocrite. 

There is nothing hypocritical about this. To repeat: Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty.

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Re: Virginia gerrymandering vote
« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2026, 08:27:49 PM »
There is nothing hypocritical about this. To repeat: Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty.


PLENTY OF SMOKE AROUND BIDEN - SO YOU BELIEVE THERE'S FIRE ?